FTWer said:At least in this game, when you visit a town, it fits in with the story naturally rather than a predictable & systematic way.
There's never any playable section where the tension is lower then the level of a dungeon. It's acceptable in an eight hour shooter, but not a 40 hour RPG. They tried to follow Call of Duty so much that they forgot that it doesn't work in their genre or arbitrary time length required as a bullet point.Rahxephon91 said:I don't see whats so wrong with the pacing other then chapter 10 goes on way to long and that its all just battle and battle.
Rahxephon91 said:I rather play FFXIII for the rest of my life then more Tri Ace crap.
And I'm sure if RoF was actually a big deal it would get a level of hate.
cosmicblizzard said:I disagree. I see a lot of JRPG fans defending the game in here (including me). Posters that have probably played games very few people have even heard of. It's a polarizing game for both fans and haters of the genre/series.
Honestly though, the haters in this thread are a lot more vocal than the lovers. Come in at any time and you'd think gaf absolutely hates the game when in reality it's more of an even split.
Replicant said:Dude, WTF? You haven't even played it. I like FFXIII but Resonance of Fate is fun in its own category. You probably had a bad experience from Star Ocean 4 (and so did I) but that one game does not make all of Tri Ace's efforts. But oh well, your loss if that's your attitude.
You can change that formula while keeping the same narrative structure. It has been 30 years since Dragon Quest invented the "Town -> Dungeon -> World Map -> Town -> etc" formula. It has been thousands of years since the narrative structure of "beginning, rising action, climax, falling action, denouement" was invented. It is still used in every movie, novel, etc for a reason. It works.About this. It has not changed for 30 years ever since Dragon Quest 1.
It's so ancient & outdated & nothing has been added & changed to that formula in 99% of jRPGS.
Town (talk to one person to advance the to the next location) > World map > Dungeon > World map > Town > World map > Dungeon repeat x10 until you finish the game.
At least in this game, when you visit a town, it fits in with the story naturally rather than a predictable & systematic way.
Cep said:Err, on gaf, the haters almost certainly outnumber the lovers.
I mean it is no where close to the universal hate SO4 has, but let us not pretend that this is even.
The last one that was even was x.
cosmicblizzard said:So stop.
cosmicblizzard said:Remember, at the beginning of this thread there were A LOT of lovers. A lot of them went silent after that and all the hate was coming from the same people. If we're talking purely thread activity, the haters outnumber the lovers but add everything up and I'd bet the split would be around 60:40 on either side.
Cep said:You have failed to consider the more likely possibility: That they are no longer 'lovers.'
The way this thread has trended mirrors the Japanese thread so thoroughly that it is uncanny.
I really suggest that you look over that thread. Also suggest that you check how the JPN sale price of the game trended.
While you are at it, do the same for the Strange Journey thread as well. The criticisms of that game are generally mild (since it is not really that bad) but it stands in stark contrast to the crazy love it received in the beginning as well.
d0c_zaius said:Not meaning to troll, but I have to vent.
This game is one of the most frustrating games I've played in a long time.
Im at Chp. 11, and Im playing it to completion as I dont want to waste the 30+ hours I've already spent to get to this point. But Ive never played a game I've hated so much story/gameplay/character-wise.
I'm sure some people like it, but I'm severely disappointed.
The "Moms are tough" line made me cringe.
Cep said:You have failed to consider the more likely possibility: That they are no longer 'lovers.'
The way this thread has trended mirrors the Japanese thread so thoroughly that it is uncanny.
I really suggest that you look over that thread. Also suggest that you check how the JPN sale price of the game trended.
While you are at it, do the same for the Strange Journey thread as well. The criticisms of that game are generally mild (since it is not really that bad) but it stands in stark contrast to the crazy love it received in the beginning as well.
The witcher's story is linear, but the devs manage to give players choices and the story in the witcher is put together much better. Linear story is not an excuse to throw in straight path after straight path after straight path. 5+ years spent on a completely linear game and the writing is crap and handled poorly. In the time it took Square to release this game bioware has released 3 games with better pacing and writing.FTWer said:An rpg that is story driven linear? Who would have thunk?
I mean, Holy shit what the fuck do you play jRPGS for?
*Looks at the SNES golden era RPGS*
A few towns that barely added anything & you only visit once. A world map, which you only can't fully access until towards the end of the games ( for which Gran Pulse essentially takes it's place in FFXIII).
Outside the different story driven point of the characters being on the run, FFXIII is exactly what FFIV-X where.
charsace said:The witcher's story is linear, but the devs manage to give players choices and the story in the witcher is put together much better. Linear story is not an excuse to throw in straight path after straight path after straight path. 5+ years spent on a completely linear game and the writing is crap and handled poorly. In the time it took Square to release this game bioware has released 3 games with better pacing and writing.
You say the writing is crap in FFXIII and then talk about The Witcher. ok? And Bioware games do not have super amazing writing. They all have more cringe worthy things then FFXIII. Both Mass Effect and Dragon Age have pretty terrible casts outside like 2 or 3 characters in each game. Hell no one outside of the 3 main characters in Dragon Age at all was good. Mass Effect is also super generic sci-fi just like XIII is generic anime or whatever. On top of that all 3 bioware games have the same boring pacing and in Mass Effect 2 it kind of hurts the story.charsace said:The witcher's story is linear, but the devs manage to give players choices and the story in the witcher is put together much better. Linear story is not an excuse to throw in straight path after straight path after straight path. 5+ years spent on a completely linear game and the writing is crap and handled poorly. In the time it took Square to release this game bioware has released 3 games with better pacing and writing.
trejo said:truth
Cep said:Best to use JRPG terms when having these discussions, else you risk it turning to something ugly.
:lolRahxephon91 said:You say the writing is crap in FFXIII and then talk about The Witcher. ok? And Bioware games do not have super amazing writing. They all have more cringe worthy things then FFXIII. Both Mass Effect have pretty terrible casts outside like 2 or 3 characters in each game. Hell no one outside of the 3 main characters in Dragon Age at all was good. Mass Effect is also super generic sci-fi just like XIII is generic anime or whatever. On top of that all 3 bioware games have the same boring pacing and in Mass Effect 2 it kind of hurts the story.
Besides FF isn't even really that comparable to what either of those games try to do.
Well I was in a psych ward a couple of weeks ago.Cep said:I would like to first say that I am no Bioware toad, but I am forced to say that this must be your craziest post to date.
The Witcher has the worst dialogue ever. I'm pretty sure the game opens up with the guy saying babe every five mins. Does FFXIII have better writing then them. No. They are all equally shitty. The only thing is that FFXIII is actually interesting unlike generic sci fi Mass Effect where Mordin and Garrus are the only likable characters.charsace said::lol
Did we play the same games? FF13 has better writing and pacing than the witcher, ME 1 and 2, and DAO? The last FF that had a well done plot, pacing and decent writing was 9. 10 was crap in almost every way the only good things about that game were the battle system and the cringe worthy romance for the laughs.
Rahxephon91 said:Well I was in a psych ward a couple of weeks ago.
I went in with no expectations since XII was such a bad game, so I ended up being mildly entertained overall, and the gameplay is just phenomenal.charsace said:Some of you don't understand why I'm angry with this game. This game pisses me off because its a huge letdown when you compare it to square's best. At this point I would just love to see older jrpgs updated and touched up because the new shit has been a letdown and FF13 is biggest letdown of them all.
FTWer said:*Looks at the SNES golden era RPGS*
A few towns that barely added anything & you only visit once. A world map, which you only can't fully access until towards the end of the games ( for which Gran Pulse essentially takes it's place in FFXIII).
FTWer said:I said it one & I said it before, there were a handful of people that hijacked pretty much the past 30+ pages & keep posting negative & negative posts non-stop.
Even now that Himuro & Amirox have officially left, I'd say half the negative posts will be gone from this thread.
As for Strange Journey discussion, well FFXIII sold 5 million copies worldwide. Strange Journey would be luck to break what? 100,000 worldwide?
So yeah, everyone who wants to buy SJ will not be ones who do not like the game.
It's also kind of lame logic to assume everyone is going to have the same view as you do.dramatis said:Or are you so caught up in the pop and flash and the drama to realize how shallow the whole experience is?
On the other hand, you're also completely lambasting people for even liking the game at all, which is fucking stupid and condescending and makes your entire argument fall apart.dramatis said:Is THIS your bullshit logic? That the better game is the one that sells millions, and gets fantastic reviews across the board? Then by your logic Modern Warfare 2 is a much better game than FF13, no?
It's stupidly blind to pretend that if the negative posters go away that FF13 will be magically fixed. It's also stupid to insist that the people who don't like FF13 are a "handful", as if there weren't many, many posters who had come and gone. Is it completely outside of your ability to look at the game logically and think fundamentally about what a game is, and how FF13 is the model of what a game is not or should not be?
Or are you so caught up in the pop and flash and the drama to realize how shallow the whole experience is?
dramatis said:Is THIS your bullshit logic? That the better game is the one that sells millions, and gets fantastic reviews across the board? Then by your logic Modern Warfare 2 is a much better game than FF13, no?
It's stupidly blind to pretend that if the negative posters go away that FF13 will be magically fixed. It's also stupid to insist that the people who don't like FF13 are a "handful", as if there weren't many, many posters who had come and gone. Is it completely outside of your ability to look at the game logically and think fundamentally about what a game is, and how FF13 is the model of what a game is not or should not be?
Or are you so caught up in the pop and flash and the drama to realize how shallow the whole experience is?
Rahxephon91 said:It's also kind of lame logic to assume everyone is going to have the same view as you do.
Rahxephon91 said:The only thing is that FFXIII is actually interesting unlike generic sci fi Mass Effect where Mordin and Garrus are the only likable characters.
Rahxephon91 said:I don't think I have to type imo after everything
I don't think I have to type imo after everything or do you need everything spelled out for you. If so to bad, I suck at spelling.d0c_zaius said:uh ok then
Drakengard I had some pretty awesome conversations between Caim and Angelus.Amir0x said:The amusing thing is that they would take the horrendous writing over something that is often supremely well written with fantastic characterization, as long as it's not something that they deem is "generic."
When a single Square Enix RPG ever has a character that participates in a discussion even remotely as deep as the genophage debates in ME2, we might be finally getting somewhere. I'll take a generic setting if they can even do that.
How is anything in Mass Effect deep or well written?Amir0x said:The amusing thing is that they would take the horrendous writing over something that is often supremely well written with fantastic characterization, as long as it's not something that they deem is "generic."
When a single Square Enix RPG ever has a character that participates in a discussion even remotely as deep as the genophage debates in ME2, we might be finally getting somewhere. I'll take a generic setting if they can even do that.
Rahxephon91 said:How is anything in Mass Effect deep or well written?
Having some shades of gray does not make something deep or well written. Yeah ME2 does not sugar coat things like FFXIII, but its hardly deep or anywhere close to well written.
Heres what I have to sayAmir0x said:The genophage discussion, which I just mentioned, is so many billions of times more complex and layered than anything in FFXIII - not to mention better written - that it would take someone being intentionally ignorant to claim otherwise.
It's also more complex and layered than anything in any SquareEnix game to date. It's not merely about being 'shades of grey' - although for fuck sake a Square game can use some motherfuckin' nuance.
It's about the way sentences are written, the way individuals communicate with each other. In Mass Effect 2, since we keep coming back to this game, individuals communicate like real people, impacting real events through the logical rules of their universe.
In FFXIII, everything is written in crayon, repeated over and over (presumably because they think the audience is retarded), and they can't even do THAT well. The script is terrible.
Others have gone over the near endless repeating of Fal'cie, L'cie, Focus, or the cheese-factor lines like "I'm a Hero" and shit, but that's the entire fucking script.
Really, one can prefer one game to the other, but I'm gonna to stop short of saying it's possible to think the writing in ME2 isn't light years ahead of FFXIII. I'd go as far as to say it's a fact.
And it's not like ME2 is this amazingly written landmark in gaming, but boy is it ever beyond what we have here.
Rahxephon91 said:Hell Mass Effect 2 is worse because no one announces their problems and personality like ME2 characters. After the 2nd time of talking to me I'm not going to sit here and tell you my life story and how I think. Thats what happens in Mass Effect. Except Mass Effect hides it better with less awkward dialogue and "witty" things.
Yeah XIII is also bad. I'm not going to walk up my friend and say "I see it now. I was born on my parents leash and am nothing but a pet ,but I MUST FIGHT on". No I would say "Man parent's suck" or something like that. I wouldn't sit her and say melodramatic things. I also wouldn't say melodramatic things to my teacher who I've known for 1 day.
Game writing isn't subtle and they don't write multi-layerd things. That happens on both sides of the pond. So no I don't think ME2 has better writing then FFXIII when they suffer from the same problems. Mass Effect just hides the crappy writing better.
biggersmaller said:I thoroughly enjoyed this FF. Its easy-going tunnel-play is relaxing after a hard day's work. Not that I don't like the past games either.
It's evolution, not revolution people.
Evolution into an action game? There is no role playing or side quests at all and I am 15 hours in. To me it seems like the devs were running out of time and cut corners.biggersmaller said:I thoroughly enjoyed this FF. Its easy-going tunnel-play is relaxing after a hard day's work. Not that I don't like the past games either.
It's evolution, not revolution people.
Papercuts said:The difference is the squad members spilling their guts to Shepherd makes sense in context of the scenario. He's the leader of the suicide mission, they already trust him with their life to be there in the first place. The romance stuff is always pretty fast forwarded, but I always think the rest fits perfectly.
Papercuts said:The difference is the squad members spilling their guts to Shepherd makes sense in context of the scenario. He's the leader of the suicide mission, they already trust him with their life to be there in the first place. The romance stuff is always pretty fast forwarded, but I always think the rest fits perfectly.
Fimbulvetr said:That's not exactly true, since one of the game's major focus(lol)es is to get those characters to start trusting Shep and work with instead of just working for him.
