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Seriously. Hope isn't the brightest kid around, but Snow is a dumbass, too. I like them both but if it falls on these two retards to save the world, I don't know, I'd bet on the world getting destroyed.MechaX said:
I'd just take a party with 5 Sazh's and one Vanille (with her voice muted).
RustyNails
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Agreed. They tried to cram too much in. I didn't know Sazh tagged along Lightning in the train either. Thought he was her partner. There are tons of terms thrown out too: Cocoon, Pulse, PSICOMS, Guardian Corps, L'cie, Fal'cie, etc etc. I think I spent an hour in the datalog. As much as I loved the opening, it doesn't beat the FF7 opening. You were just a dude on a mission, and nothing else mattered. But two hours in, you know about everything you need to know about the lore/mythology.slayn said:
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I have to imagine a party with 6 Lightnings would only be like a 3 hour game.Dresden said:
No hugging, no learning, just pure ass kickery.
RustyNails
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This is true mang. I had no idea why Hope wanted to go to Vestige or what he wanted to tell Snow. Vanille acting like a retard didn't help one iota.Dead said:
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Vanille's urging made it seem like he was confessing a crush on Snow. It was weird, I'll agree. I already knew from the promos that he was mad at Snow, so I inferred it (and I can see how a person who didn't know might) but his behavior was a little weird.RustyNails said:
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My wish is that Hope eventually tries to test his manhood against Snow and winds up with an AC Transit situation on his hands.Angry Grimace said:
RustyNails
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Ah. I was on media blackout for FF13, except the core running around and battle demos. But you're 100% right about Hope seemingly having mancrush on SnowAngry Grimace said:
blurredvision
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Kyoufu said:
Not really. Hope seems more like a kid who just met his idol for the first time and is star-struck. He seems more like he's crushing on Snow or just doesn't know what to say rather than being insanely angry with him.
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Why? You don't think moms are tough?Paznos said:Hope's mom didn't have to volunteer herself though
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
For the record, it was Steroid Wakka's idea, although Osaka Whore was also encouraging it.Paznos said:Hope's mom didn't have to volunteer herself though
I'm about 4 hours in (Chapter 3), and I instinctively wanted to hold L1 while still running and select a shroud. I was very disappointed when I couldn't, and I'm even more peeved now knowing that the JPN version had that functionality in place.Y2Kev said:
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blurredvision said:
You're not serious, right? I think it was pretty clear he wants to kill the guy from the second he meets him.
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borghe said:
I think the story is pretty much incomprehensible, but even I got the picture about the Snow / Hope conflict.
I dunno, it might be; Snow is pretty retarded.MechaX said:
Actually, my favourite part about that is that she falls, and then Snow falls in the exact same place, except he just gets up like it was nothing. I figure what we didn't see was that she was laying there, alive but with a broken leg or something, and broke his fall when Snow landed, popping her like a ripe grape. If you think about it, that closes a lot of plot holes.
Vustadumas
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So, played about 3 hours last night. Story is what I expected, which isn't much. Combat sucks so far. Just mash on x until it ends. Hopefully it gets a lot better, and soon. VO is actually ok, but I would have loved to have had Japanese VO.
Vanille is annoying as hell.
Vanille is annoying as hell.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's not so much that I couldn't tell what his problem was (based on him the game cutting to his reaction a few times during the whole scene) but more that he was acting nothing like someone obsessed with revenge, and it seemed strange that Vanille was encouraging him like that.Coxswain said:
painey said:
An issue that would be easily remedied if the game didn't treat the player like a fucking idiot and hold his hand for nearly the entire game, making almost every important strategic battle decision for them.
I enjoy the game but it is very easy for me to see how it's been getting scores as low as 5/10. Such dumb fucking design decisions in this one.
borghe said:
for what it's worth I wouldn't have known Hope was angry at Snow in the beginning if it wasn't for the Datalog. I think it's a Japanese thing. I noticed a lot in anime (bad source, I know) that this crap happens a lot. If I didn't know any better, I would think it was weird for Hope to have difficulty showing his emotions to Snow.
YuriLowell
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I wonder if half the people who ask for Japanese VA's just think they are better because they cant understand it.
Well, I also think that when his parents named him Hope, it was short for "Hope this fucking kid finishes one sentence in his life without stuttering or trailing off".Angry Grimace said:
Seriously, he can't even talk for the first five hours of the game. You're setting the bar way too high for him if you want him to display believable behaviour. Just be glad he remembers that you can't walk by stepping with the same foot more than once in a row. Achievable goals.
blurredvision
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cosmicblizzard said:
Yeah, I'm 100% serious. In no way does the animations or voice acting make it seem like Hope is uber-angry when you're first introduced to them. I'm sure I would've figured it out at some point without reading the datalogs, but I think earlier on, Square did a horrible job at having Hope express any kind of anger whatsoever. He's no more than a scared kid with a stuttering problem.
Well, there is something about Vanille's insistence on getting Hope to fly the airbike into Anima's lair that isn't very clear in the game itself but is more a lot more understandable after going through the light novel:
Yeah, the game is full of relatively simple and silly but still long-winded and convoluted explanations like that.
she wasn't really doing it out of good-will for Hope, she was just using Hope to see if Fang was waiting for her inside the ruins; she didn't do it before because, being from Pulse, she doesn't know how to ride an airbike and couldn't find anyone that would give her a lift because it's very, very hard to find people in Cocoon that would willingly get close to a fal'Cie.
Yeah, the game is full of relatively simple and silly but still long-winded and convoluted explanations like that.
really?Sarye said:
when he didn't want the gun? when he was angry that his mom went with? when he saw snow drop his mom and his mom died? it really came out of left field for you?
I'll forgive the awkwardness of Vanille pushing him to confront him, but I just took that as Vanille innocently trying to get them to talk. As for Hope's reluctance to confront him... gee... a 12 year old kid or whatever being reluctant to confront what is essentially a soldier leading a refugee army out of exile.. yeah, I'd be a little hesitant to confront him also.
I mean I guess.. but to me it seemed almost ridiculously straight forward.
Thats because it is :lolborghe said:really?
when he didn't want the gun? when he was angry that his mom went with? when he saw snow drop his mom and his mom died? it really came out of left field for you?
I'll forgive the awkwardness of Vanille pushing him to confront him, but I just took that as Vanille innocently trying to get them to talk. As for Hope's reluctance to confront him... gee... a 12 year old kid or whatever being reluctant to confront what is essentially a soldier leading a refugee army out of exile.. yeah, I'd be a little hesitant to confront him also.
I mean I guess.. but to me it seemed almost ridiculously straight forward.
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Sarye said:
Also did you not pay attention at all during the opening. Hope was right beside his mother when she went to go fight. And then he saw her die and was like NOOOOOOOOOO, and automatically blamed Snow for killing her which if he had half of a functioning brain he would know he tried his best to save her.
As opposed to in previous Final Fantasy's where it was as follows:cnizzle06 said:
- Attack -> X
- Magic -> Pick a Magic -> X
- Summon -> Pick a Summon -> X
- Steal -> X
- Item -> Pick an Item -> X
Those weren't exactly "complex" systems that I remember.
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blurredvision said:
You don't think him clenching his fists every time he met the guy was because he hated him? Is that something people do when they "meet their idol"? All he seemed like was a kid unsure of himself that wanted to tell Snow he's an asshole. I really don't see how you can interpret it any other way.
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F#A#Oo said:
I don't remember any words like "vengeance" being put into play when you first meet Hope and Vanille. It's simply Vanille telling him to cheer up and move on, then trying to push him towards Snow to say something. They don't tell you what that something is unless you read the datalog.
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No really. I honestly thought that Hope had some kind of secret information about the purge or something, which he was afraid to share. Him being angry at Snow was only apparent after he says it himself. But I did think for a second or two that maybe he's mad at Snow for killing his mum. But again, his expressions and Vanille's cheery nature over such a morose topic made me think otherwise.Dead said:
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cnizzle06 said:
You weren't expecting an action game, were you :lol
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