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Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward |OT2| RIP Bowmage 2015-2017.
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Who cares about the Relic, seriously, it's only became relevant for THIS one last step.
What matters is that according to the devs, facerolling dinos should totally give you stronger, potentially much stronger weapons, than coordinated team raiding of harder content. It was already bad enough that some jobs got absolutely craptastic substats, but this is just insulting. At least Diadem 1.0 didn't have weapons, at least its gear was of equal item level, this?
And what are people even gonna kill with those weapons, Proto goddamn Ultima? This hilariously only truly messes up with the most skilled and dedicated of players, speedrun raiders.
Altered Juice
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Damn they took a shit on raiding and relic players.
You can skip story quests?!
Just meant the text/cutscenes and all that!
I promise I read at least 40% of all story text.
Okay, maybe 38% at worst! I pay attention!
Point is, people worked their asses for Savage and Relic weapons. Because they're justifiably BiS, right?
Now you can run diadem once or twice, kill some random trash mobs and get a weapon that's scaled ridiculously high. It really just shits over everyone. Relic was what, BiS for not even two weeks? And for what, to get people to play some shitty grindfest mode more?
Relic already established that in the last few months of the expansion BiS weapons would come from faceroll content and not from anything challenging. That the braindead grind is Diadem now doesn't change that raiding was never going to be how you got the best weapon at the end of the expansion.
That's why I care about relic--that's where the actual BiS is, and that's what's getting toppled by this change. That Creator weapons are even more not-BiS than they were before is kind of a wash. Random substats fucking over speedkillers also blows, but Creator weapons enjoyed their time at the top of the heap for about as long as we all expected. Relic's time as BiS, the supposed end reward for years of bullshit grind, will be two whole weeks.
And that is absolutely shit design, but what can you expect from an advanced ERP chatroom simulator. So done with Yoshi's game.
It doesn't take away any personal achievement from getting those weapons (and I have both!) and at this stage of the patches, there's not going to be any harder content until the expansion's out anyway. Assuming you've cleared Savage and stuff already, it in no way negates those accomplishments while also letting newer people more easily catch up and potentially try out harder content before everyone decides to just rush through it at 70 unsynced!
Assuming the weapons aren't gonna be behind some crazy FFXI original Dynamis-y style boss insanity thing, anyway.
Abyssea-style mechanics when
SaintGalgo
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You know how this game works. Things become obsolete over time. Most "skilled and dedicated players" cleared A12 long ago when it was actually relevant and don't care. AndI think those who haven't aren't doing it for weapons, they just want to clear it. Yes, it will probably be just "facerolling dinos" and praying for RNG but it's a new "goal" until 3.0 and I'm okay with that. Yoshi-P has mentioned that we'd have content to keep raiders occupied, and this could be it.
You could make an argument about the relic since it just came out and it actually takes more effort to get than A12 weapons
You could make an argument about the relic since it just came out and it actually takes more effort to get than A12 weapons
(only half joking)
Considering Creator is what it is, and it being the end of the content cycle anyway, the obsolete argument in general is weird.
And, really, if you want to go that route, the addition of echo is a more relevant expiration date
It's more the mentality behind the implementation since it's not like they have a good track record for good decisions.
All signs point to it being from the emergency mission things; rarity (as a function of time, not availability) and RNG will make the playing field for speedrun content awkward at best, completely removed otherwise.
As far as the stats are concerned, from a WAR perspective the thing only needs around ~40% of the stat budget dedicated to any DPS secondary for it to be a net gain over A12S/Relic options. So I mean, if you get a literally naked stat stick one then sure, I guess?
By implementing a thing that does the opposite? It removes the one thing most of us gave a damn about at this point, really.
It's not obsolete as the raid tier is still there, unnerfed and on lockout.
If this isn't out of touch, I don't know what is.
The mentality is possibly "hey we need to keep people interested in this game between now and the expansion, can we do something crazy with that cool space dinosaur place thing we spent a ton of time on except now everyone's kinda ignoring it?"
It's basically harmless content in the end and the usual suspects will use the same discussion techniques to complain about their high-end toys either being outclassed by something easier to get or the gear they already have from weeks/months ago just being easier to get in general. Like the same way they complained when hunts were implemented as a way to get sands/etc.
Or when Syrcus Tower added them as drops.
Or when the first Diadem came out with then-highest ilvl armor.
Plus it's win-win in the end anyway:
1: Potential for people catching up pre-Stormblood to get quick endgame-level gear to try out Creator if they're curious enough and get a feel for how endgame raiding would work, maybe even giving more of a pool of players willing to raid in 4.0
2: New toys for current top-end raiders to try and see how much they can push their DPS or maybe even gear up and mess around with some other job that's low priority in gear you'd otherwise get from raid or tomes
3: BABBY DINO
I give zero shits about my gear? Creator was a joke of a tier and anything over i250 is basically superfluous. All of the gear carries zero weight for ego, really. What is relevant is the treatment of the relic line that most players held as their ticket to actual super cool loot. I don't have my relic so as far as that angle is concerned, I'm mostly unaffected, but it's still been a core carrot-aspect to a lot of people and was a basic selling point of this patch to them.
What does bug me is the content left for me to engage in is trying to not be a shitter and push for good parses to see how well I can perform. That entire playing field gets scrapped with this. Echo was already the looming deadline for this mattering at all and this accelerated it unexpectedly (as well as mocking those people who rushed BiS relics for this very purpose).
As far as a purely catch-up mechanic is concerned, I don't care and I'm all for it. I have had no problems with the idea of off-patches being used for that specific thing and trying to make this into anything else is pretty disrespectful of the entire argument.
Too many syllables. Shorter phrase please. Time efficiency important. Gotta max out those diadem loot drop parses for fflogs.
Lanrutcon
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Remember to shout in discord when there's an EMission, guys.
But I am supposed to be able to redeem the items now.
That is where I am trying to redeem the cost. I even copy-pasted the code so I'm sure it's the exact same. It just says it is invalid.
I'm at the step where I have to enter the 20-digit code on the Mog Station but it doesn't work.
I wrote them back anyway, but I'm not sure if they'll receive my reply if I just reply to the email directly.
I wonder if the EMissions drop better loot at night.
max Piety for sudden crisis of faith as all the MP fails to line up properly ever again
This doesn't require 280 weapons. They still haven't made the tome weapon upgrade item available to the general public. The weapons could be 270 or 275 and still serve exactly that purpose; non-raiders without a relic have i265 weapons at best, 280 isn't required to give them an extra boost.
If they're going this angle, they don't do pink weapons with randomized secondaries. Like, 280 weapons with guaranteed secondaries would probably be a solid jolt in the arm for speedkills, but this is RNG on RNG for the sake of RNG/extending the grind. If the weapon stat budgets turn out to be broken like the original Diadem gear, it's going to cause massive imbalances in speedkills just based on the secondaries people can get to pop up.
And see this is why they didn't need to be 280--They know Diadem 1.0 was bad. They know they needed to fix it. If they did a solid fix, people will do it because it's fun to do. Aquapolis and PotD are both side content that people do for its own sake and not for iLevel (PotD does give a nice route to a primal-tier weapon, I guess, but it didn't need to be BiS to justify itself.)
I just keep looping back to there being no actual motivator for these things to be 280 short of trying to force people into Diadem who don't actually want to Diadem, and that's not super encouraging. It's an extremely odd choice to repeat the pattern that led to Diadem 1.0 imploding the way it did.
The relic will also most likely carry over to the next one like they did the first time around so it's a future investment the way I see it. At this point Diadem is basically a way to help people get caught up quick before the expansion and it's not like you'll have an advantage by having a higher weapon since there is no more "difficult" content coming.
Those who cleared savage have had a really good weapon for awhile now, they can say they've cleared savage and have stuff like mounts and better gear to show for it. Most people even with a i280 weapon still won't and probably can't clear savage.
The emergency mission stuff sounds cool, kind of like PSO2 where random bosses can pop in a run at any time that's probably one of the best parts of that game.
Let's be real for a second. Diadem 1 imploded because they needed the piñata. It was mindless fun and gave a lot of reward. Most of the reward was shit but the high number made it so that you were always seeing interesting stuff. It died when they made it so you maybe got 4 things a run. Also maybe it'll actually be fun for the sake of being fun.
Maybe
Maybe
Toxic casual core always wanting handouts. Instead of buying the latest iPhone, you could spend that gil on new minions.
My toxicity would drip and kill the innocent babies though. :c
Let's make our cartel bigger than Jayhawk's, that'll show em.
The contract you signed in 2015 has a no-compete clause.
I paid my dues. I even completed the contract ahead of schedule!
Unforgivable 1%er elitism of thinking and talking about how it sucks that relic got invalidated in a hilariously short time aside, can we talk about whatever the fuck is going on with the new crafted sets?
every single piece of that is baffling
every single piece of that is baffling
On my server(Odin ) they still do or atleast my full hunt link shell is pretty active every day.
I seriously don't understand what the face thing in the crafted set is. Then I see the boots and pants and then get distracted by the shoulder spikes but wait there's a weird pointy bandana on one of his wrists oh my god what am I looking at.
(Also people already seeing 280 drops from Emergency Missions, apparently. At least relic still looks pretty?)
(Also people already seeing 280 drops from Emergency Missions, apparently. At least relic still looks pretty?)
Alright, so you kill some monsters the game tells you to and then do some fates.
You get 10 lockboxes for that.
Lockboxes are like hoard, random loot that can be brass spoils or 265 gear or whatever.
Damaged lockboxes come from fates and you need 40 for one appraisal but otherwise they're the same.
Once you're done with team task you can go to the lower area where there's stronger monsters through aetherial gaps.
We found an NM there, it dropped one normal lockbox, 50 damaged ones and a paissa brat.
Not sure how to get emergency missions yet but the weapons aren't rollable loot, it's a ~16mil HP boss and who gets loot appears to be completely random.
It may or may not be possible to also get weapons from lockboxes but they're of top rarity.
You get 10 lockboxes for that.
Lockboxes are like hoard, random loot that can be brass spoils or 265 gear or whatever.
Damaged lockboxes come from fates and you need 40 for one appraisal but otherwise they're the same.
Once you're done with team task you can go to the lower area where there's stronger monsters through aetherial gaps.
We found an NM there, it dropped one normal lockbox, 50 damaged ones and a paissa brat.
Not sure how to get emergency missions yet but the weapons aren't rollable loot, it's a ~16mil HP boss and who gets loot appears to be completely random.
It may or may not be possible to also get weapons from lockboxes but they're of top rarity.
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