Don't worry Dega ARR will have end game for crafters too lol.
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Final Fantasy XIV |OT2| ARR: Phase 4 August.
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Don't worry Dega ARR will have end game for crafters too lol.
staticneuron
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The entire economy was reset so I was under the impression that value should be the same.
He would berate us if our accessories were poor
... But then he would make us new ones! If it ends up being streamlined a bit like they say, I plan to help with crafting this time around. I'll probably start with Leatherworking and Weaving.
I just hope fishing isn't boring/useless.
It's GAF, 80% will quit after the first free month.
That brings up something else too. I suppose the chances of people sticking around would be greater on Sargatanas then the new server LS. It would suck to have lots of players leave that new server LS after the first month or two and leaving lots of gaffers on there own like what happened in 1.0. That may not happen this time around though so I guess it's a bit too early to say.
Who knows.
Well that's what I said earlier but not as blunt lol. So yeah.... The reality of playing with GAF is that, but as you said there is creme to be found. It's not so much quality were looking for but more so retention. We just want to play with a solid folks that's neither too serious or too causal. That is Red Dot.
And from what I've seen, I was know there's experienced XI players or those that will stick around after the first month.
And we will in the future!
Assuming we play a lot at the same time because of that whole time gap.
Baleoce
Member
Hmmm you know what. You make an incredibly good point. I own FFXIV v1.0. Should I be buying the PS3 collectors edition in that case? (I own a PS3). Just to cover both platforms?
Would I be able to register 2 different copies of XIV to the same SE account? Or would I have to make a different SE account?
ROBOKITTYZILLA
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MMO GAF does have a history of ditching games that require any kind of long term commitment. That said, FFXIV 1.0 was a terrible, absolutely horrible, excuse for a game. Hopefully retention will be much better if Square Enix delivers a solid game this time around.
The majority of new players will not want to start on a legacy server, and I feel like being on a non-legacy server will greatly improve our chances for survival or at least give remaining players a lot of options if things don't work out. I'm far from being a 'new' player, spent countless hours in the original game, and have Legacy status on my account, but I still want to play on a new server. I don't want to deal with the majority of the Legacy community which is bad enough to deal with in the official forums. I want to play on a regional server with good connectivity and response times (who knows what will happen with the Legacy servers but I suspect they will remain on data centers in Japan). Lastly and most importantly, I just want to play on a server with an entirely clean slate and a player base and community that starts on completely equal footing.
Whatever the majority of GAF decides is up to GAF, but I have offered to start a new Free Company on a fresh server for those that are interested. I'll be just as happy rolling solo and finding another group to play with if things don't work out.
The majority of new players will not want to start on a legacy server, and I feel like being on a non-legacy server will greatly improve our chances for survival or at least give remaining players a lot of options if things don't work out. I'm far from being a 'new' player, spent countless hours in the original game, and have Legacy status on my account, but I still want to play on a new server. I don't want to deal with the majority of the Legacy community which is bad enough to deal with in the official forums. I want to play on a regional server with good connectivity and response times (who knows what will happen with the Legacy servers but I suspect they will remain on data centers in Japan). Lastly and most importantly, I just want to play on a server with an entirely clean slate and a player base and community that starts on completely equal footing.
Whatever the majority of GAF decides is up to GAF, but I have offered to start a new Free Company on a fresh server for those that are interested. I'll be just as happy rolling solo and finding another group to play with if things don't work out.
androidcandy
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I would love to play with GAF, but I really dont want to play on a legacy server for different reasons. Mostly I just want a fresh experience with a nice mix of experienced and non-experienced players. I feel like most of the new players are not gonna be on the legacy servers, and I didn't really play with GAF in 1.0 because I wasn't on the right server. So I don't really have any connections or anything, and I hate for us to be segregated or whatever, but I would like to have a GAF guild to play with that's not gonna be on a legacy server. I plan on making this my main game so I will be playing a lot if I can, and it would be nice to have Gaffers to play with, so my point is if some one wants to start a new LS on a fresh server I am game, but if you want to play on the legacy server that's cool to. It's just nice to have the option for people that want it.
WeaponKnight
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You can register one copy of each platform in a Square Account.
I'm thinking about going Black Mage Lalafell, but I don't see mentioned anywhere about race advantages/abilities. Are there any?
theSlacker
Member
It's not only gaf really. Like every forum that has a group together to go play mmos normally ends up losing a lot after the first month.
Bolded part is another major issue that I didn't want to touch on. You all may be good or cool or whatever, but I wouldn't and don't trust the same of other legacy players. The same people that I haven't been on the official forums since like the second beta test because of. Baked in drama and elitism is fairly normal for a mmorpg though I guess. Latency still remains the biggest thing for picking my server.
I've been a DD for life in every mmorpg that I've played. Because of that I've had to deal with and am use to having to get things done on my own and waiting longer times to get into groups. Guess that is also why I am not too afraid of starting on my own even when there is a large group of people that I could go with. Just saying all this to explain that it may not be for everyone, and I'm not trying to persuade people to abandon friends on legacy servers. Just pointing out possible negatives.
I was told that a Steam release is unlikely a while ago. I don't know if plans changed or not though.
Relaxed Muscle
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Elitism is a norm in MMO. ARR won't be free of it on any server.
C'mon XIV had like 100k subcribers (and that's being generous) and how many of them posted on the forums?. The game is suposed to have a new influx of players that would make for the majority of the userbase.
The game is no longer a steam pile of shit so chances that all kind of players keep playing after the few months are high.
C'mon XIV had like 100k subcribers (and that's being generous) and how many of them posted on the forums?. The game is suposed to have a new influx of players that would make for the majority of the userbase.
The game is no longer a steam pile of shit so chances that all kind of players keep playing after the few months are high.
Baleoce
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Aaah ok, but would that imply I couldn't be on both characters at the same time on 2 different platforms that are on the same account? I guess that's what I'm striving for.
LS Name Suggestions:
Gathered Against Fate - 14 votes - Winner
NEorzea - 3 votes
gooey autistic fireworks - 2 votes
Goobbue and Friends - 1 vote
Believe Reborn
Greater Aldenard Formation
Giggling At Farts
Garlean Attack Force
Garlean Annihilation Force
Dinosaur Adventure
Jinko's Slaves
Gaming Age Force
Great Amicable Friends
Galactic Action Fart
Goobbues and Funguars
Giant Anal Fissure
Gasbags and funbags
Grand Aether Federation
Gathered Against Fate - 14 votes - Winner
gooey autistic fireworks - 2 votes
Goobbue and Friends - 1 vote
Believe Reborn
Greater Aldenard Formation
Giggling At Farts
Garlean Attack Force
Garlean Annihilation Force
Dinosaur Adventure
Jinko's Slaves
Gaming Age Force
Great Amicable Friends
Galactic Action Fart
Goobbues and Funguars
Giant Anal Fissure
Gasbags and funbags
Grand Aether Federation
ROBOKITTYZILLA
Member
That's being extremely generous and I'm fairly confident that the majority of that new influx of players are not going to want to play on Legacy servers. Most people will probably avoid them for having a Legacy moniker alone, not knowing anything about them.
Like theSlacker said, I'm not trying to tell people to abandon their characters or friends on Legacy servers. I'm just giving people in a similar situation like myself the option to play with other like minded players.
Murder. She Wrote
Member
My vote goes to Goobbue and Friends.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Judging by everyone's behavior in 1.0, this was not an issue.
lol, yeah. If the game still isn't good, then I'd expect a big exodus again.
demosthenes
Member
Bold +1.
Also, I just want to echo the sentiments of high level players helping. I left the game around lvl 30 as my highest due to work. I eventually came back a few months later with not knowing many people that were in the new GAF guild at that point but there were still a few regulars. From people I recognized to people I didn't, people were so eager to help.
Judging legacy servers based on Lodestone forums? Shame on you, seriously. Sure, Lodestone general forum was rancid, but only like 5% of the playerbase in 1.x used those forums with any frequency (I forget the exact number, but in one of the player surveys they did, it was some ridiculously low number like that, and that was just out of the subset of players who actually used Lodestone at all and bothered to take the survey). New servers aren't going to be any better off. If anything they may be "worse" since they'll be the more likely destination for MMO-hoppers and entitled casuals (or "WoW-kiddies" as some call them). Just look at the beta forums.
As kiryogi said, this is the main reason why Red Dot is its own thing now and why the plan was to have a different LS for general purpose ARRgaffers, just as we had in 1.x.
That said, I expect ARR will have better retention in general.
Alex
Member
I like the first.
theSlacker
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Actually I was referring to the beta forums. Back when it was all legacy and just the first wave on outside invites. Also was only using that as a single point of reference. Are you really going to argue the point that the majority of players of this game will be jerks that would love to take and push an advantage on any part of the game they can? That as as new player you are better off not trusting the already established economy if you don't have any connections? By the by, I'm not singling out just this mmorpg, I would expect the same in any of them.
MMO-hoppers aren't a worry for me. The very nature of their existence is that they will leave.
Xux
Member
There are stat differences but they get muddled up by custom stats and gear. Here's a page that has the race pages with stat differences: http://ffxiv.gamepedia.com/Category:Races BLM, of course, wants Intelligence (magic damage) and Piety (MP) which both Lalafell clans had the best of both. Maybe the ARR stats'll be different...since Dunesfolk seem statistically inferior without much balance but I'm sure Lalafell's'll still be the best BLMs before modifiers.
Gamerescape is the one I always used and it's one of the few that's still around and may actually survive until the game's relaunch.
The new Lodestone's supposed to have database functions though I dunno how many features it and the App will have to replace all the fansites the official forums and the game's failure killed off.
And, yeah, Yoshi-P said Steam was too expensive.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Honestly, I think new people interested should try to play with GAF on Phase 3 and 4 and see for themselves if they want to stay on Legacy servers or not. Things like economy won't be able to be guaged on the beta but everything else should be closer to the final experience. If they don't like the people they meet or the general population then they could choose fresh servers.
No need to rush for decisions. I too have to decide finally if play on the same server as GAF or choose an EU server. Depending of lag and time zones.
Yeah. The idea was to make it very minimal.
No need to rush for decisions. I too have to decide finally if play on the same server as GAF or choose an EU server. Depending of lag and time zones.
Yeah. The idea was to make it very minimal.
NinjaJesus
Member
Gathered Against Fate +1
theSlacker
Member
I'm kinda half and half on that. I like there to be clear differences between things to create variety, and taking that away from races can ruin some of that. But on the other hand I really want to play a certain race that has some of the worst stats for what I want to play as.
So selfishly I want them to remove all differences, but for the overall good of gameworld I want them to increase them...Whatever, glad I'm not the one to make any of those decisions.
+1 for NEorzea.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Race should be nothing more than an aesthetic choice. Too many negative side effects when it has actual differences that impact gameplay.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I don't mind some minimal racial differencies. But just minimal.
Also another vote for: Gathered Against Fate
Also another vote for: Gathered Against Fate
WeaponKnight
Member
Yeah, tying stats to aesthetics is a messy endeavor.
It can be a neat world-building thing, but f it doesn't make enough difference to be notable, then it wasn't worth doing in the first place. But MMO players are often times perfectionists, so all it does in the end is torment players.
theSlacker
Member
Yeah it is more of an immersion thing, which I am huge on, but I think it falls into that category for me of immersion things that gameplay wise end up making me mad. Sort of like if they went back to not going into full run right away when moving, and instead made you start slow, or animation lock. Sure it is more realistic, but it also makes the game feel sluggish and you lose feeling of control over your character. Which is more immersion breaking I guess.
RACISM = IMMERSION
And, yeah, I liked the more realistic motion in 1.0... except for the terrible effects it had on gameplay, compounding the game's already bad lag problems.
Relaxed Muscle
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Don't remind me this. Trying to explain this on beta forums was like smashing your head against a wall.
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