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[Ken]

i use fracture as a whm

rip thunder

 

[Kagari]

TEAM 1% LIVES.

 

[Phlebas]

It's a slightly newly running joke in here.

What's the origin?

 

[Shamdeo]

TEAM 1% LIVES.

DIES*

 

[SkyOdin]

Wait, what? Who is still stunning the Chimera? Is this still a thing? :/

Hahaha, my mention of that is probably way out of date. I just got back into the game after a two month break. Back when I was fighting Chimera and Ifrit HM, the stun strategy was still in vogue. I would think that there still might be one or two fights in the game that depend of timely stuns, or at least there will be again in the future.

 

[leng jai]

It took me a couple of days off and on during the last beta to get in, but I eventually got it.

Guess I'll just have to wait till it opens. How often does it usually update?

 

[dcye]

Hahaha, my mention of that is probably way out of date. I just got back into the game after a two month break. Back when I was fighting Chimera and Ifrit HM, the stun strategy was still in vogue. I would think that there still might be one or two fights in the game that depend of timely stuns, or at least there will be again in the future.

With Chimera, if you pull it outside and up the hill the Dragon Voice doesn't hit anyone, so you can ignore it and just silence rams. Ifrit has higher stun resist now so you only stun certain ones, to not overdo it.

 

[Kagari]

DIES*

If only you knew ;-;

 

[chrono01]

TEAM 1% LIVES.

I seriously think we should consider changing our name to that.

It's so [depressingly] accurate.

 

[dubq]

Crazy amount of packaging for a time card..

 

[Aeana]

Went into turn 1 tonight for the first time since the echo went in. Good lord. Damage/healing is so much higher.

Also, if any healers want Moogle Ex ribbons, apparently we're the wagon you should attach to, because it's all we ever get.

 

[DJIzana]

Went into turn 1 tonight for the first time since the echo went in. Good lord. Damage/healing is so much higher.

Also, if any healers want Moogle Ex ribbons, apparently we're the wagon you should attach to, because it's all we ever get.

I need to beat ex Moogle still. Heck, same with ex Levi and I haven't even started turn 6 yet. Still need to attempt turn 5.

 

[Shamdeo]

n_n

 

[tiggerkiddo]

Grimm and his lil bird

 

[Unknown Soldier]

i use fracture as a warrior. it's good when you need low enmity damage. it also ticks when you have to move away from the target/target moves away from you. i throw it out when i can spare the TP and it doesn't interfere with combos. it's a good skill if you want to play your warrior 100%, because 3 rotations aren't enough and we need more options. it's also more fun. it's useful, but it could use a little buff to pressure more people to use it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...g-DPS-Output?p=1857709&viewfull=1#post1857709

Fracture is a 300 potency hit that you can throw out once every 13 GCDs (12 GCDs for the DoT duration w/o breaking combos and 1 GCD for itself). Considering the average potency/GCD from special attacks of most of those attack strings is ~200, assuming you're not messing with Maim/SE debuff uptime, you're getting an extra 100 potency every 13 GCDs, which is 7.69 potency/GCD. Assuming a baseline potency/GCD of ~370 (SP>SE>BB, which is the median), that's a 2.08% increase in DPS (it's actually lower than this because using it would interfere with Maim and SE debuff).

The problem with Fracture, however, is that it is expensive. The WAR combos all consume 63.33 TP/GCD ((70 + 60 + 60) / 3). As such, throwing in Fracture every 13 GCDs equates to a cost of 64.61 TP/GCD ((63.33 * 12 + 80) / 13), which is a 2.02% increase in TP cost.

As such, in any TP constrained scenario (any prolonged fight without regular periods of doing nothing, e.g. Titan HM and EX, coil), Fracture doesn't really do anything and, in fact, will end up reducing your damage by stopping you from reapplying Maim/SE when you're TP starved. If TP isn't a consideration at all, it's a tiny DPS increase that you probably wouldn't notice.

 

[Ken]

 

[Aeana]

What

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Leviathan is a terribly boring fight

 

[Dre_G_Writer]

i use fracture as a warrior. it's good when you need low enmity damage. it also ticks when you have to move away from the target/target moves away from you. i throw it out when i can spare the TP and it doesn't interfere with combos. it's a good skill if you want to play your warrior 100%, because 3 rotations aren't enough and we need more options. it's also more fun. it's useful, but it could use a little buff to pressure more people to use it.

as my archer, I got three damage over time skills.

Fracture
Windbite
Venomous bite

so the potency is 100 per second for 15 seconds when I stack them, and on top of the damage im already doing from my instant damage attacks, enemies go down pretty damn quick.

 

[Augemitbutter]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...g-DPS-Output?p=1857709&viewfull=1#post1857709

ah i know of this guy. he's good with math. however, this doesn't address anything i've said.

 

[Dre_G_Writer]

Are there any disciple of war classes that give the heavy effect???

I want to be able to slow the enemy down.

This WHOLE time I thought that the lancers feint skill effect of 20% slow, actually effected their movement speed, I learned that this is not the case.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

ah i know of this guy. he's good with math. however, this doesn't address anything i've said.

It addresses precisely what you said so well that it almost seems prescient.

 

[Augemitbutter]

It addresses precisely what you said so well that it almost seems prescient.

then you simply don't understand my post. fracture is useful if you know when to use it. it's not a 3 combo attack. it's a low enmity dot. use that to your advantage.

 

[lazybones18]

Spoiler

Noraxia ;_;

That bitch Livia is gonna pay dearly

 

[Ken]

then you simply don't understand my post. fracture is useful if you know when to use it. it's not a 3 combo attack. it's a low enmity dot. use that to your advantage.

when do you need a low emnity dot as a war tank?

 

[SkyOdin]

With Chimera, if you pull it outside and up the hill the Dragon Voice doesn't hit anyone, so you can ignore it and just silence rams. Ifrit has higher stun resist now so you only stun certain ones, to not overdo it.

Oh, I am familiar with those changes. All that does is reinforce the need to be careful with stuns. Stunning what you can is still useful in those fights. When I beat Chimera last, I got stuck with interrupting Ram's Voice solo. It worked out the best when I primarily used silences to stop the voice, but used stuns when a my silencing move was stuck on cool-down. If someone else had been using a stun attack recklessly, that wouldn't have worked.

 

[Augemitbutter]

when do you need a low emnity dot as a war tank?

when you don't need an enmity boost, just damage. simple, eh? for more see my original post.

 

[Ken]

when you don't need an enmity boost, just damage. simple, eh? for more see my original post.

why not just go through your storm's eye and storm's path rotations for damage instead? those should be the WAR's priority to apply when emnity isn't an issue, not a low emnity dot.

your original post basically says "i use fracture when the downsides of fracture won't apply to the specific situation, therefore fracture is good."

 

[Unknown Soldier]

when you don't need an enmity boost, just damage. simple, eh? for more see my original post.

It has been mathematically shown to you that Fracture is at best TP-neutral and in long fights TP-negative, and at most it represents a 2% DPS increase and that's only if you ignore the fact that it will interrupt your keeping up of Storm's Eye or Storm's Path if you are following their timers and reapplying when they fall off.

Question: Do you or do you not understand math?
If you don't, then you can do as you please. I cannot help you any further.
If you do, then why are you still here arguing about this?

 

[Augemitbutter]

why not just go through your storm's eye and storm's path rotations for damage instead?

your original post basically says "i use fracture when the downsides of fracture won't apply to the specific situation, therefore fracture is good ."

you'll do those rotations anyway. sometimes you just cant get a 3 combo off and want to use a dot instead. like i said before. not every fight is static, you won't be glued to a mob and it's better to let a dot tic before phases change etc.

you can't spam every skill out, and that's a good thing. not every skill has to be godly to be considered useful.

It has been mathematically shown to you that Fracture is at best TP-neutral and in long fights TP-negative, and at most it represents a 2% DPS increase and that's only if you ignore the fact that it will interrupt your keeping up of Storm's Eye or Storm's Path if you are following their timers and reapplying when they fall off.

Question: Do you or do you not understand math?
If you don't, then you can do as you please. I cannot help you any further.
If you do, then why are you still here arguing about this?

no need to act all pissy now. many fights refresh your TP on a regular basis. if you're too lazy to make use of all your skills that's your decision.

 

[Callibretto]

I just decide to renew my subs after only playing casually during the First free month and just checking this thread. I dont understand anything that's been said in this last page.

fracture? Enmity? That math calculation etc. Lol

 

[Ken]

you'll do those rotations anyway. sometimes you just cant get a 3 combo off and want to use a dot instead. like i said before. not every fight is static, you won't be glued to a mob and it's better to let a dot tic before phases change etc.

you can't spam every skill out, and that's a good thing. not every skill has to be godly to be considered useful.

well ok

 

[Unknown Soldier]

no need to act all pissy now. many fights refresh your TP on a regular basis. if you're too lazy to make use of all your skills that's your decision.

lol whatever, I choose to understand math, you can do whatever you want

 

[The Craze]

I was wondering if someone could confirm something for me. I currently play on PC but have been thinking about getting it for PS4 also just for kicks and so I can use remote play on my Vita to farm mining while in bed or watching TV.

Now I could just buy the PS4 version for $40, but I believe I could also buy the PS3 version for $25 and get upgraded for free? Is that accurate? If so, it would mean I'd need to download it for PS3, log in once to activate it, and then proceed to download the PS4 version. Is that correct? Not sure if I can be bothered waiting for another whole download just so I can activate it when I could just pay another $15.

 

[Hasney]

I was wondering if someone could confirm something for me. I currently play on PC but have been thinking about getting it for PS4 also just for kicks and so I can use remote play on my Vita to farm mining while in bed or watching TV.

Now I could just buy the PS4 version for $40, but I believe I could also buy the PS3 version for $25 and get upgraded for free? Is that accurate? If so, it would mean I'd need to download it for PS3, log in once to activate it, and then proceed to download the PS4 version. Is that correct? Not sure if I can be bothered waiting for another whole download just so I can activate it when I could just pay another $15.

That is correct. Find a cheap disc version if you can't be bothered waiting for the download. I don't even need to think you have to patch it, just login and redeem the codes from the box.

Then download the PS4 version and you're away.

 

[tiggerkiddo]

Grinding for atmas as a WHM is far more tougher than I thought.

 

[Milly79]

Now I could just buy the PS4 version for $40, but I believe I could also buy the PS3 version for $25 and get upgraded for free? Is that accurate? If so, it would mean I'd need to download it for PS3, log in once to activate it, and then proceed to download the PS4 version. Is that correct? Not sure if I can be bothered waiting for another whole download just so I can activate it when I could just pay another $15.

Yes to all of that. You can also get a nice GAFfer to help. Just change your passwords and then back once they're done. That's exactly what I did, although I only paid $10 for my PS3 copy.

 

[amstradcpc]

That is correct. Find a cheap disc version if you can't be bothered waiting for the download. I don't even need to think you have to patch it, just login and redeem the codes from the box.

Then download the PS4 version and you're away.

But login doesn´t imply creating your character in a server right?. Because i would like to install the PS3 version in my sister´s PS3 and don´t spend time configuring anything ( in fact as i read to create your character in servers like Moogle you have to try several times ).

 

[Noi]

This hurts just to look at.

 

[The Craze]

Yes to all of that. You can also get a nice GAFfer to help. Just change your passwords and then back once they're done. That's exactly what I did, although I only paid $10 for my PS3 copy.

That is correct. Find a cheap disc version if you can't be bothered waiting for the download. I don't even need to think you have to patch it, just login and redeem the codes from the box.

Then download the PS4 version and you're away.

Thanks for the quick replies. Unfortunately finding a disc for cheaper than $25 might be hard as I'm in Australia but have a US account because I bought a key off Amazon. I'll just download it tonight and download the PS4 version before I go to work in the morning. Cheers for the help.

 

[Korezo]

when you're tagging mobs on the way to say, right before the first plank with the wandering coeurl, you want to use your shield lob on everything before you get there so something like a simple eye for an eye won't rip a mob off you because it's technically unengaged with you and has no hate on you. i see a lot of tanks just shield lob one or two on the way and when the healer does as little as /comfort to the tank it'll rip off a bunch of enemies.

once you get to the spot where you'll be sitting around tanking everything, you literally just spam flash with a defensive CD up, and swap to riot blade combo when at 0 mana.

Thanks ran a few brayflox on the Vita and it was easy.

 

[Hasney]

But login doesn´t imply creating your character in a server right?. Because i would like to install the PS3 version in my sister´s PS3 and don´t spend time configuring anything ( in fact as i read to create your character in servers like Moogle you have to try several times ).

Nah, you get a splash screen like on the PC. Login to that, redeem your codes on SQEnix/PSN if applicable and then do the upgrade on your PC through Mog Station.

 

[amstradcpc]

Nah, you get a splash screen like on the PC. Login to that, redeem your codes on SQEnix/PSN if applicable and then do the upgrade on your PC through Mog Station.

Ok, thank you!.

 

[GraveRobberX]

Just broke 2000 achievements, graverobber-dono would be proud. Guess the time has come to sacrifice an aldgoat to the rng gods and switch GC.

Nice, Welcome to the real true grind!

 

[Phlebas]

I only have around 1700, I don't feel like that's a lot.

 

[leng jai]

Got into Ultros. Can I get a guild invite, same name as my GAF name.

 

[Ken]

I only have around 1700, I don't feel like that's a lot.

Yeah, I'm at 1720~ without really trying.

 

[desu]

This hurts just to look at.

Actually, the worst thing (according to the guy who put up the item with the wrong price) is that the person who bought it instantly relisted it for 100k below current price ...

 

[IMBored]

Got into Ultros. Can I get a guild invite, same name as my GAF name.

Check the first page to see how the submission is applied. You have to register on the gaf guildworks site , then submit an in game application.

 

[Augemitbutter]

Actually, the worst thing (according to the guy who put up the item with the wrong price) is that the person who bought it instantly relisted it for 100k below current price ...

this is great!