When it comes down to it, all the fights in an MMO are pattern-based but when one of your mechanics comes down to you needing to be dodging it before it even starts to happen, I feel like you've designed wrong. In an action RPG or hack/slash, sure thats the making of an epic boss fight, in an MMO, not so much.
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When it comes down to it, all the fights in an MMO are pattern-based but when one of your mechanics comes down to you needing to be dodging it before it even starts to happen, I feel like you've designed wrong. In an action RPG or hack/slash, sure thats the making of an epic boss fight, in an MMO, not so much.
tiggerkiddo
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Well did the EX Moogle fight, it's not so bad...I'm not sure why people hate it
It's long, boring, tedious and repetitive.
You only need to if you're lagging.
No more long, boring, tedious, and repetitive than Levithan.
That's not true at all in this game. You could have the perfect connection and still be getting garbage from their side.
People like Leviathan then?
Does it matter which side it is? If your connection is fine and the server is fine then what you're saying isn't true. If one of them is bad, then yes, most of the high end dungeons are going to be shitty to play.
Nope, not afk. But I think it might have to do with me not spending too much time in the main cities the past week. I just know that this week has been quite pleasant without having to blist some spammer asshole.
Well yes, if they are designing these tight fights then they can't have these long issues where their server side sucks. And I can't even begin to imagine what you are talking about, if we want to compare the other two EM primals, as miserable as it would be since the fight is already long enough, laggy garuda wouldnt be much of a problem and a laggy ifrit run would only get dicey during eruptions but those are much more lenient than WotL.
People have different opinions..... *gasp*
They tend to frequent the main cities and the daily zones (outer la noscea, aleport, southern than, east shroud) from what I noticed.
Tiduz is growing up /cry
the_sun_king
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Just won T5 with Kruz and co, first win and i won the spear, so happeh
Stole my spear.
Also, really don't care for the aesthetics of the Weathered DRG gear. Glad I glamour'd that.
Not really. Getting hit with the multiple circle AoE in Garuda? Not getting the feather buff in time? Lagging when trying to swap the feather? Ifrit charges, especially if you're a healer? Just because they're not guaranteed one shots doesn't mean it won't make the fight utter shit for you.
And the servers shit the bed quite a lot, but I don't know what these "long issues" are that you're talking about.
I think Moogle Ex is longer, more boring, more tedious and more repetitive than Levithan..... *gasp*
Eruptions are predictable enough that you can often successfully dodge even when you're lagging.
Actually I've found Plumes to be the same, but I can understand why they'd trip people up so badly. I was in that week multiple times daily for something like three weeks, so, yeah it's not surprising that eventually you'd get to the point where you can predict whats coming next after something like that.
As for lag, it honestly hasn't been a very big issue lately. I sometimes get it on reset days, but aside from that any lagbursts have been both infrequent and very small.
Actually I've found Plumes to be the same, but I can understand why they'd trip people up so badly. I was in that week multiple times daily for something like three weeks, so, yeah it's not surprising that eventually you'd get to the point where you can predict whats coming next after something like that.
As for lag, it honestly hasn't been a very big issue lately. I sometimes get it on reset days, but aside from that any lagbursts have been both infrequent and very small.
All those things you listed are great but easily preventable, I'm not talking about lag that is freezing the encounter every second and a half, I'm talking about the minor things. In Titan it is causing deaths, in the other two it is causing minor frustration.
Well the 90k's have certainly been happening more frequently since the PS4 launch and have only just started to normalize and, though these wouldn't affect the fights we are talking about, whatever the fuck they did after 2.2 that made 4-mans unresponsive for, what, like a week?
Opinions and all that so whatever but only 3 of those can fall in the opinion umbrella. Mog is a shorter fight.
I ended up not liking it due to wiping more than once at the very end of the fight, especially when it goes on too long already.
There's a quote from a certain summoner I want to say, but I can't quite recall it. Oh well, plenty of people have and are clearing that content, even people with bad connections like our tank. Seems like it would be something you need to work out yourself if you were even doing it anymore.
Long past it and don't care. My point is it is a garbage fight and hopefully SE learned something from it and didn't take the attitude of "work it out yourself" seems like they did since both levi and moogle mog are more about spatial awareness and knowing how to react instead.
tiggerkiddo
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You could say the same for a lot of endgame fights in this game...
I find turns 6-8 hold up pretty well, despite their length.
tiggerkiddo
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Basically Swiftcast from THR, level 26
Eh... nothing really compares to Moogle Mog though.
Thank you
TheDancingWatermelon
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What was the quote?! Is it GIMME DAT BUTT?
You said it yourself, you only hate it because you died right at the end multiple times. To use the other primal as an example, if you were hitting the enrage at the end of levi a bunch then you would be saying the same of that fight. Then again, when a mirror just falls into your lap, it's almost like you don't have to worry about those things any more
Pellegri Testament
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Think it was more along the lines of "I'd blame lag if I something something" can't seem to remember those last 2 words though, sure they don't matter much.
You said it yourself, you only hate it because you died right at the end multiple times. To use the other primal as an example, if you were hitting the enrage at the end of levi a bunch then you would be saying the same of that fight. Then again, when a mirror just falls into your lap, it's almost like you don't have to worry about those things any more
I wouldn't say a mirror just "fell into my lap"... I almost lost it by one number and I had done Leviathan 30 times previous to even seeing it.
30 times and you beat the other 7 (assuming everyone rolled which I'd bet they did) people in your group? Yeah, that's falling into your lap.
GraveRobberX
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I've still run Leviathan since then so eh. RNG is RNG. Took me 40 Turn 5 kills to even see an Allagan Composite Bow so it can go both ways.
That's what I thought. I put one or two into Intelligence and then realized that was silly
I so need to respec
That's what I thought. I put one or two into Intelligence and then realized that was silly
well, you're DPS ACN until...30? so it's not a terrible move.
respec only costs 10k seals
lazybones18
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Looks like the story quest levels (40) are about to sync to my current level (41). Guess I'll have my work cut out for me real soon. And the FATEs in Coerthas are a blast, especially when I see a bunch of other people involved. So much exp to gain. I wonder if I would get a bonus if I completed them in a party
GraveRobberX
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ooooooh, what's happening in here
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
I just made a new batch, FUCK! >_<
EndcatOmega
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Guys, stop fighting. Let's talk about what truly matters: Fracture.
Unknown Soldier
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The most hilarious thing is that Sorian was bragging about how easy it was for him to get his 12 Atmas awhile back in FC chat and in this thread and how great a system RNG was. Now he's complaining about how rare the mirror drops are from Leviathan. It seems karma does always catch up to you in the end.
I'm not complaining about anything though. Pointing out that a player had a much better time with something doesn't automatically mean I'm complaining about it. Also, let's be real, atmas are chump change, you need to beat a FATE at the chance for one, not a 10 minute boss fight. Now stop baiting me, I'm sure there's a finger over a ban button somewhere.
Even with Titan EX and its reliance on knowing the pattern, It seems like even after a couple of tries, the pattern becomes clear. Even if you watch a video, I dont think that'll help in an actual fight.
Those players didnt have a video before they beat him, so it shouldnt be that important, or at least not as important as actually getting experience within the fight itself.
Super zoomed out overhead? I'm in that the majority of the time during large boss battles.
Those players didnt have a video before they beat him, so it shouldnt be that important, or at least not as important as actually getting experience within the fight itself.
Super zoomed out overhead? I'm in that the majority of the time during large boss battles.
Same here I'm always as zoomed out as possible.
Now if you really want a fun time try doing stuff in first person mode.
Sounds..... Fun.....
Was so close to beating T Ex today. Will get the kill tomorrow so I can move on.
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