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It's SE's way of keeping player retention and if you're clearing coil 6-8 each week it honestly isn't that bad. With a T9 clear then groups are entitled to two oils and two sands a week. If you're not actively doing that content then I see no reason why people absolutely need those upgrade items given there is no other difficult content that requires high level gear right now.
Yep, shared, I went from PS3 to PS4 and my trophies carry. The trophies show PS3 and PS4 icons below them.
This is more aimed at the people who, haven't, cleared T9 yet, methinks. It gives high level Coil players some incentive to do CT2 more than once or twice. The lack of good players was the main thing wrong with CT1. Also, lets be honest here, only a small handful of groups have cleared T9 so far on this server. Everybody else is getting in the practice, or gearing up.
Edit: Also, keep in mind that SE needs to retain non-coil groups as well. If I wasn't running coil, I'd about already be maxed out when it came to Soldiery pieces, and even players that aren't gearing for accuracy will likely be max geared on soldiery before 2.3.
Since gearing is the major incentive for this game, they, kinda need to do, "something," to allow the non coil players to continue gearing up, if only slowly.
Well, what I'm saying is, "reportedly," pentamelded crafting gear is, in many cases, better than ilvl100 gear, and supposedly in a few cases, even better than ilvl110 gear, at least for DPS classes.
If that's indeed true, that's probably a slight design flaw, seeing as right now, "having gil," is the only barrier to getting that armor and having the pentamelding done.
I have no issue with people getting crafted high level armor that's suitable for high end content. However, there probably should be some barrier to it other than, "have a ton of gil."
I dunno, maybe require some rare untradable drop or something.
crazygambit
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But in order to have "a ton of gil" you need to devote quite a bit of time to the game anyway. Being farming gil from dungeons or other fights, DoL classes or the Market Board with the crafting classes. I think it's a good thing the game rewards that level of investment with good gear. Otherwise the whole portion of the game dedicated to gathering and crafting would be completely useless (and it sort of is in a way, since no crafted piece is BiS anyway).
The main thing wrong with CT1 was the design of it itself - that, and it wasn't overly challenging. I wouldn't pin any of that on the players themselves as it was specifically designed to be accessible for those straight out of the level 50 end-game story dungeon.
In regards to Turn 9, the biggest thing isn't actually gear - groups beat it with less than what most people have now - but time. People need to be willing to pour a great deal of time into learning the fight and the majority of groups out there just don't have that.
creid
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Thanks, that's great. I was figuring I was going to have to eventually buy a T5 carry to get the trophy on PS3, as my experience with hard content on PS3 has been very bad D:
Pellegri Testament
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Way I see it is, gotta get that sand from somewhere to upgrade that bard belt. Have this high allagan belt sitting in my bags and every time I look at it I laugh at it since it's so bad even compared to the weathered soldiery belt. Sands could very well start to be used on armor for us soon and even then belts will never see that upgrade with coil sands.
Stormhammer
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Would any of the things I've accomplished in the PC version be transferred over (trophy wise) to my PS4, or would I have to do that content on the PS4 for it to count?
Reportedly? Anyone who knows their class knows this is true. I don't even see why you have a problem with crafted gear, it's not like it's absolutely required to clear coil. It gives some slight benefits, sure, but anyone in mostly i100 is probably on the same level. Yeah, they spent the gil for the armor, but more importantly they spent hours upon hours in coil the first week for those clears.
Also the real issue with CT was that it was content that was meant to be in the game three months ago when it came out.
I've ran plenty of CT's, where the raid couldn't be completed, because of trolling or incompetence. More the later than the former. I know you're complaining about boredom, but being stuck in a dungeon because nobody in Alliance C's been level 50 for more than two weeks, is far far worse.
Also, the ilvl the the first few T9 groups had is more than likely a bit misleading. The ilvl system doesn't really account for pentamelding and such.
If I wasn't at work id avatar quote you XD
As I said, CT was designed for lower level players and future CT will be just the same. Most of the higher geared players will likely stay away for the most part to avoid situations as you described. It's just not worth it, even when they had the one piece of loot a week lockout system in place. Many people ultimately gave it up.
EndcatOmega
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I must admit this is the first time I've seen the argument that crafted gear is too useful.
Like I said, when fully pentamelded, for DPS the crafted gear is better than most of the ilvl100 and some of the ilvl110. I was tip-toeing a bit earlier when I said earlier said, "reportedly," there's actually very little doubt that this is the case.
Also might note, that in a large progression focused FC, there's probably essentially no barrier to getting this armor.
Now, I'm not opposed to the crafted gear being useful. However, reportedly, the crafted gear was intended to be, "starting," gear for Coil, so drops were intended to replace it in time. The fact that it ended up being near ideal clearing gear for some classes is, by all accounts, not intentional.
Anyone that already had some Coil turns on farm before CT hit, likely already had access to better drops. So it's no wonder that good groups had very little incentive to farm it. CT after all had originally been intended to be out at launch, not, three months later.
I might also note, that one or two good players can hold an otherwise poor alliance together fairly well in CT. So even a slight incentive improvement should make CT2 more enjoyable.
EndcatOmega
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That fact that a piece of 2 million gil gear is 'sometimes' better than soldiery gear (poorly itemised soldiery gear) suggests that crafting is kind of pointless, but each to their own!
You can buy the crafted gear + penta-meld for less than a million now.
Also what else are you spending huge amounts of gil on? People seem to hoard instead of spend.
Not sometimes, "is," better than the ilvl100, and "sometimes" 110.
Also, once again, in a large progression centric FC, these pieces of armor aren't going to cost 2 million gil a piece. Heck, they don't even cost that much outside those groups.
Also, again, that wasn't intentional. It was a very small whoopsie on the part of the development team.
This really bugs me as well. I only got a fighter chocobo at the weekend and was looking forward to training him up but I can't queue for dungeons at the same time. It kills my whole flow.
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I doubt you'll find many examples of a melded armor being better than high allagan
Because crafted gear was described as, "starting," gear for Second Coil, not clearing gear.
devious.one
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Probably depends a lot more on what pieces of Materia you're melding, rather than the armor pieces themselves.
You didn't even need crafted stuff to start new coil. 6-7 can be cleared in i90.
Are you saying that you don't even know of any cases?
What, exactly, are you basing your argument on, then?
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
But any BiS list would say which melds are best.
I have never heard of a crafted piece being better than both the high allegan and the upgraded soldiery pieces.
devious.one
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Even with that in mind, which job does this apply to?
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but crafting gear can only have secondary stats melded to them 98% of the time, right? So again, which job is able to take such a huge hit to primary stats where the secondary stats overweight primary due to pentamelding?
WeAreStarStuff
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It is esp. annoying given the fact that leveling up your choco is such a slow grind. Square really needs to patch in the ability to have one in your party while waiting for the Duty Finder.
primary stat on armor pieces is defense and magic defense, any DPS increase is from the secondary stats. So crafted ilvl90 gear, fulled melded to deal damage, is going to deal a lot of damage, but won't mitigate nearly as much damage as higher ilvl armor.
Kinda imbalanced in that respect, but, if your job is to deal damage, and you're good at avoiding attacks, it does make some sense.
You know, just because you can turn everything into an exercise in derision, doesn't necessarily mean you should.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Primary stat is STR, INT, DEX, etc...
The armor values are trivial at best.
There still shouldn't be any crafted i90 that is better than i110.
The crafted pieces that are better than i100 are usually lacking accuracy and are good when a person can itemize for them.
Stop taking incredibly asinine stances on things you have no clue about and I wouldn't have to
Time for a topic change!
With 2.28 coming out next week and Mob Hunts being a part of that patch, I expect to be checking out this new system outside of any duty-roulettes and coil progression with my group. Anybody else planning on participating in the Mob Hunts want to team up? :3
With 2.28 coming out next week and Mob Hunts being a part of that patch, I expect to be checking out this new system outside of any duty-roulettes and coil progression with my group. Anybody else planning on participating in the Mob Hunts want to team up? :3
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
I just reviewed every BiS list at http://www.ffxivguild.com/ and didn't find any crafted gear as BiS.
devious.one
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So, there's a lot to be said about your definition of primary stats, and secondary stats...
Just give me some examples of where ilvl90 pentamelded crafting gear is regarded as best in slot for any giving job? That way I can better understand where you are coming from?
Do you even know what my stance is?
Lets recap.
1: That the gearing up period is perhaps, "slightly," too condensed.
2: That, crafted pentamelding gear is perhaps, "slightly," too useful as Coil starting gear.
3: That maybe it would've been better for the in-game community is Second Coil had taken another week or two to clear.
I'm not making claims that the developers made some sort of catastrophic mistake, rather, I'm saying that a couple taps to the left or right on the slide rule might've worked slightly better.
I'd hardly call that asinine. 9_9
Has BiS already been set in stone for 2.2 for all jobs? Last I remember it was still hotly debated on the official forums and reddit
What I don't understand is why you're projecting on the people who cleared second Coil. You have no idea how much time they spent clearing it. You see it as a matter of days, or weeks. They're coming at it as a matter of actual continuous hours put into it. They did not just walk in and clear the content. They put a LOT of time into it and eventually worked out the puzzle and coordination and won.
Meanwhile, you're complaining about it being too easy, when as far as I know, you have yet to even clear turn 7. If it is sooo easy, then why have you not cleared turn 9? Why has nobody in the FC at all cleared turn 9 yet? Are we bad players? No, we are not. The reason we haven't cleared it is because we have not put in nearly as much time toward learning the mechanics and coordination to win. Because the content is not as easy as you are trying to make it seem.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
I don't think BiS is really debated. The only thing that gets people weirded out is the stat-weight on skill speed. Either way, BiS is your choice of i110 High Allegan or i110 Soldiery items. No crafted gear ever makes the list.
Pre T9 - Pre T8 etc.. Those are still debated since not all gear is available.
tbf, those lists only have crafting gear without materia.
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