That's true. I'm curious if somebody that ends up going PIE+DET on WHM novus ends up requiring less alexandrites and materia... or a BLM going Spell Speed +44 and Critical Hit Rate +31 instead of Spell Speed +44 and Determination +31. Would the amount of alexandrites/materias be different for either BLM scenario?
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That's true. I'm curious if somebody that ends up going PIE+DET on WHM novus ends up requiring less alexandrites and materia... or a BLM going Spell Speed +44 and Critical Hit Rate +31 instead of Spell Speed +44 and Determination +31. Would the amount of alexandrites/materias be different for either BLM scenario?
Tanaka pls
Reddit and BG posters have confirmed that only the map user gets the alexandrite.
irfaanator
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Somebody mentioned that you don't lose the alexandrite on failure, only the materia.
I was trying to use my linear algebra skills to figure out if the amount of stat increase on a materia meant anything, but I couldn't get whole numbers.
Savage Aim (Crit) gives out 2, 4, 6, 9 for each tier. Novus cap is 44.
Savage Might (Det) gives out 1, 3, 4, 6 for each tier. Novus cap is 31.
Piety gives out 1, 2, 3, 6 for each tier. Novus cap is 23.
Plugging these values into two matrices gave me -0.667 tier 1s needed, 4.333 tier 2s needed, 3.667 tier 3s needed, and 0.667 tier 4s needed.
for savage aim -> [2 4 6 9]*[x; y; z; l] = 44. Have 4 unknowns (# of Materia of each value) so you need 4 equations. That or just plot this (2x + 4y + 6z + 9l = 44) and find the minimum for z and l (Det 3 and Det 4). Taking the derivative will help out as well.
So for 3 materia types (crit, det, peity) you need 12 variables and 12 equations, otherwise you won't be able to get a definite solution with linear algebra lol
Interesting. So it seems like every stat has an infusion cap that might be independent to the other stats you place on it, so with some serious number crunching players might be able to get weapons with higher player derived stat weights than current i110s. Of course that's a lot of work for a practical difference of less than 1% most likely.
I was going under the assumption that it was 4 unknowns (4 tiers of materia, each materia type progressed similarly in number needed per tier). Somebody confirmed that the stat on the materia doesn't make a difference though.
pretty sure you need an animus equipped to farm the fates for alexandrites, much like you needed a zenith to farm for atma so lol
You need to have an animus equipped to start the quest for novus.
GraveRobberX
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So a BG poster Ratatapa slotted in their third materia, it was at 88% success
Also for every materia you slot in, doesn't give you the exact amount
So if you slotted in say HE I (+2 Acc), it still counts it as 1 infusion, doesn't go +2 into the infusion column
So yeah, I wonder how the other Tiers will carry in the matter
I'm guessing +1 for Materia I, then +2 for II, +3 for III, and +4 for IV
Get to the 75 cap for both secondary stats that are split
Rough guess would be like 10 Materia I's, 7 II's, 4 III's, 2 IV's for 1st secondary stat
The % would work slowly for I's but crazy drop for the IV's
It might even reset during changing on the tiers so you start at 100% again for the next tier or you can keep feeding it I's but you'll need more alexanderites for it
I'm just trying to figure out the mechanics behind this upgrade
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The problem I have is if you somehow get stats on your Novus which look good during this patch, but are worthless in 2.4 or 2.6, then what?
Also for every materia you slot in, doesn't give you the exact amount
So if you slotted in say HE I (+2 Acc), it still counts it as 1 infusion, doesn't go +2 into the infusion column
So yeah, I wonder how the other Tiers will carry in the matter
I'm guessing +1 for Materia I, then +2 for II, +3 for III, and +4 for IV
Get to the 75 cap for both secondary stats that are split
Rough guess would be like 10 Materia I's, 7 II's, 4 III's, 2 IV's for 1st secondary stat
The % would work slowly for I's but crazy drop for the IV's
It might even reset during changing on the tiers so you start at 100% again for the next tier or you can keep feeding it I's but you'll need more alexanderites for it
I'm just trying to figure out the mechanics behind this upgrade
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The problem I have is if you somehow get stats on your Novus which look good during this patch, but are worthless in 2.4 or 2.6, then what?
GraveRobberX
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You can, you would need 80 Inventory slot to cover that part of the requirement
That was just a glitch, just like those player queues where you are -43,989 in queue
GraveRobberX
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Now you know why people were failing their daily Alex farm =D
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
You could if you were a DRG!
Yep.
Unless players absolutely flood the market with Materia, SE is going to have to figure out a way to grease the rate Materia enters into the market, in order to make respecing at all practical. They can grease Alexandrite's any number of ways, practically make them rain from the sky, (and I suspect they will,) but unless Spirit Bonding explodes in terms of popularity, Materia is going to be a huge bottleneck.
Granted, there are a few ways they can grease Materia as well, if they decided to take advantage of them. Better Spirit Binding potions for example, or even nominally reducing the RNG factor would do it.
Can easily increase the rate and level of Materia your retainer brings back.
Lots of ways they could do it.
GraveRobberX
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Weather and Time play a huge factor into this
Read some info, holy hell at some fucking requirements
One is inside a building and you have to wait for the Weather to change... WTF?
Also Pro-Tip keep checking that weather icon on your minimap, it might say Clear weather needed and the icon will say Fair, so yeah, good luck camping out waiting for the right time to see the "Vista"
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
The amount of EXP you would have gained from killing the mob.
There are restrictions to spirit-bonding i70+ items. (they only bond past 1% in coil)
GraveRobberX
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I think it's XP and Mob level based
I remember doing AK in SB gear it took my set up 25% per AK run, this is way back like November 2013
Right now 2 best spots are Water Sprites in Uruth's Gift in South Shroud or Natalan in Coerthas
If solo, Water Sprites in Uruths, if party and too many people clogging sprites, then Natalan is ridiculous
If you pop out your choco your SB% will go down
Most override this with 4 player with 4 chocos in a party, this way you can create mass genocide, level choco's, and still SB real quickly
If you solo SB and Choco, it will take at least awhile to get a full set SB'ed
They bond in CT too right
GraveRobberX
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Yes, I think every full CT clears adds 20% if I remember correctly
It would be funny if Turn 3 PF start up for Spiritbonding lol
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
I didn't pay that much attention.
They just don't bond outside, that's all that matters.
One should require Odin weather. Then when he spawns half the zone will beeline to Odin, and the other half will bolt to some random hill.
GraveRobberX
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Then we will finally see the Zone Cap enforced, no one can enter "_________" Shroud, too many players in here
GraveRobberX
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Will lookcute on Falafels, but on a Roe, Holy Shit!, can you imagine it with the mount lol
Alex
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The relic grind is quite bad, but it's bad by modern day standards.
XI is straight up Everquest style and if you want agony and timesinks nothing can compete that that splinter of MMO.
I like this armor for more after being able to see what the back of it looks like.
Currently playing a scholar though and I feel like we get fucked in terms of gear. Fuckin goose hat or whatever.
The Praiseworthy
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OH MY GOD!!!
I just CAN'T belive my bad luck!!!
Almost Three times I use the duty findet to search for a party and i wait for more than 30 mind and when I just go to the bathroom for a min or to drink water it finds me a party and the time passes and it get canceled and i start to wait all over again :/
I just CAN'T belive my bad luck!!!
Almost Three times I use the duty findet to search for a party and i wait for more than 30 mind and when I just go to the bathroom for a min or to drink water it finds me a party and the time passes and it get canceled and i start to wait all over again :/
no dude, they're all bad
No U! XD
Seriously though, with no materia shortage, I could clear through this in merely a week. The only real hurdle is going to be procuring materia in a somewhat timely manner, without breaking the bank. If I'm willing to break the bank, even that's not going to be a big issue.
I mean, heck, I have a large chunk of the materia I'm going to need already, just from unconverted gear I had on store on my retainers.
Unknown Soldier
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Oh cool, gear preview lets me finally see what my bear chestpiece will look like
gonna be a while though...still around 14k exp to go
That's some H.R. Giger shit going on in the back
GraveRobberX
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You got one week to prove me wrong
Get that Novus in week from right now, I'll give you 5,000,000 gil
You got til 6/12/2014 6:00PM EST
If you can't, you owe me half 2.5mil gil, up for it?
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GraveRobberX
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I got a Vagina vibe with the flaps, but whatever floats your boat I suppose
Then you wait for ultra allagan or whatever the next tier is!
That's if I have no materia shortage, and if I treated Novus like I treated the Animus grind. During the Animus grind I did almost nothing aside from grinding myth and doing books. Automatically I couldn't do it like that now, since I'm now spending 2 to 3 nights of the week in Second Coil.
I think I can manage two weeks, or at least something along that time frame, but, that depends mostly on my estimates of the needed materials being more or less correct.
Basically, not gonna bet, even with pretend money.
Unknown Soldier
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If he takes you up for this, he better stream it so we can watch his progress
crazygambit
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Get a Vita.
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