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Final Fantasy XIV |OT5| All You Need is Gil
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That's beside the point. My objection with WolvenOne's statement is that simply moving the Soldiery being injected into the playerbase by Hunts to T6-9 is not a 1:1 trade for many players. That's all.
I have no desire to debate about the proper rate of gear progression.
I have a self-imposed rule when it comes to managing MMO addiction, which is this:
If I find myself logging in daily at set times to clear some content for the sole reason that I'd be "missing out" on some daily/weekly reset if I didn't, It's no longer a game and it's become a job, and at that point I usually hit the unsubscribe button.
Hunts let me concentrate my grinding into days when I actually feel like playing FFXIV on hours on end, so I appreciate that. I could grind Frontlines, of course, but I don't enjoy Frontlines that much, nor do I like the 20 minute commitments, or having to wait for queues to pop. In the current state of the game, I can pretty much Hunt anytime I want to, there's always one or two groups running around whether it's early in the morning or late at night. I enjoy the freedom this system offers me and would be sad to see it go.
I wouldn't say no to a slight sold buff to Frontlines; as-is it's pretty decent, but if they were to add a daily bonus of 20 you could pick between Frontlines and EX roulette once a day to cap.
I'd like to see them nerf hunts slightly but mostly resolve by buffing everything else.
I'd like to see them nerf hunts slightly but mostly resolve by buffing everything else.
1. Why do new players need to quickly cap soldiery.
2. Dungeons are a convenient source of soldiery that also get players used to group content at level 50.
tiggerkiddo
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Wut...
He's not saying take away soldiery from the new dungeons, he's saying give a buff to the amount of soldiery we get from Coil, which IS fair because it gives out a pitiful amount compared to First Coil.
I'm not sure you read my post correctly.
I'm talking about a hypothetical scenario where SE lowers/removes the Soldiery from Hunts and adds more Soldiery to T6-9 to promote more dungeon running, while keeping the rate of Soldiery acquisition the same for end-game players, as was implied by Tabris and WolvenOne.
I'm talking about a hypothetical scenario where SE lowers/removes the Soldiery from Hunts and adds more Soldiery to T6-9 to promote more dungeon running, while keeping the rate of Soldiery acquisition the same for end-game players, as was implied by Tabris and WolvenOne.
Doing dungeons, while not particularly difficult, at least keeps you on your toes somewhat and trains you how to do your job. Hunts may be convenient, but they do absolutely nothing to train up the population.
Besides that, it really doesn't take a lot of time to cap via dungeon runs.
They really don't, though.
Also if you really wanna run dungeons, do them. No one is stopping you. If you want Soldiery removed from hunts, you clearly don't want them from hunts, so It doesn't matter if they give less soldiery than dungeons.
Agreed, at the same time during 2.1, we were getting 50Myth per Turn, for top teir endgame content like that, this sort of reward is appropriate. Plus it mostly gets people to cap already, so people who really don't want to run dungeons wouldn't have much more to do.
irfaanator
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lol
tiggerkiddo
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You get 80 tomes from doing on Expert DR a day...maybe 30-40 minutes of your time. Not seeing the issue.
I disagree.
With hunts, the point is basically, "Build enmity," and, "don't die." The only class where snap aggro is actually a good think is the tank, for every other role this sort of play style needs to be discouraged at all cost. So imagine people that hit endgame during this patch, if they've done most of their gearing up via hunts, they'll likely have developed some bad habits that may follow them around for awhile.
Besides that, dungeons and trials teach you things like, cool down management, mob management, and general environmental observation skills. The amount of skill you need to clear these hurdles may be somewhat low, but they're still good practice for newer players, and a good thing even for veterans to practice on every once in awhile.
dude he was having a good time why you have to be like that
If you're with new 50s, the same ones some here want hurried into Coil2, then yes they can.
That's funny because I think hunts have far more of that addictive nature than dungeons do, mainly because of how little effort you need to actually do them.
Anyways, I understand your point of not wanting it to daily checklist/job type deal but the same can be said of hunts. If A/S windows are closed, check again later when they are. With the payouts as they are now, doing Bs are just inefficient really.
At this point I don't really care what they do to hunts, but this aversion to running dungeons, despite the ultimate objective being 8-man instanced raids, is really weird.
Uh, T6-9 aren't really dungeon running.
You don't play anymore because you got that T6-8 soldiery on farm so you don't really fit into the conversation.
Is there a swear filter somewhere you have to turn off? I said butthole and in my chat it showed up as ????????
True, I'm actually half inclined to grab the Soldiery Axe, even though I already have a Novus, just because it's slightly more optimal for Off Tanking. Might be a waste though, depending on what eventually drops from T9.
I'm okay with this. One Ex a day, frontlines and vanity gear sounds good to me :3
We're most likely a month or more away from T9 win, so feel free to buy the soldiery axe.
Kinda hope we can get it down a bit sooner then that, since we'll be down to only a few weeks to farm the thing before 2.4 hits. At the same time though, eh, not like I have a lot more to spend it on, and the extra crit will be handy on T9, where I'm mostly just DPSing with a few rare instances of tanking.
Augemitbutter
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i barely got into FL last week :/
sad. the queue is just too long.
sad. the queue is just too long.
Yeah there's an option to turn it off in character settings.
Less than six hours to maintenance, you best catch an A train.
Well... hopefully windows are open in on Excal, if they are it should be done in no time flat. I'll have some 5 hrs
time to whip riou into logging in more than 2 days a week it looks like!
Thanks to echo and the fact that most players you run into in DF outgear the content they are doing, it's not like new players are really learning much to begin with. Any half decent player will have learned the core of their class before 50, the ones that didn't aren't going to magically get better by blitizing through easy dungeons. In fact that is how they got to 50 in the first place. All those things you mentioned aren't actually needed anymore in 4mans, and most not even in 8man trials.
I'd enjoy 4mans more if they weren't so easy. I know big reason they are so easy is due to outgearing them, but that doesn't really change anything. Hunts also extremely easy, but they are also extremely quick so it balances out. Comparing 4man dungeons to the 8man content is a bit much though, they are so different in regards to what they ask of a player. And a lot more fun becasue of it.
It's a shame 4man "hard" modes are not actually hard, just regular 50 dungeons reusing maps. I'd love for a real hard mode option for 4mans, like WoW's Heroic mode kinda in BC.
I mainly brought it up for the social aspect (having to interact with other players to complete an objective) but yeah, the degree of it isn't on the level of the 8 man raids but it's still there.
As for dungeons being easy, I agree but I've definitely seen my share of players flopping at mechanics or DPS in the level 50 4-mans. I might be the only person here who has seen Haukke Manor HM hard enrage. ;_;
theSlacker
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tiggerkiddo
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Yeah I think so too, but I still think it's valuable for players to have such a setting to practice their classes in, if not for raids then for CT2 or primals.
DrForester
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Lowering rewards for Hunts would be really stupid. Retaliating against the players for not playing the way the devs want them to would be as stupid as the hissy fit the XI crew threw when Ninja was turned into a tank job.
Raise the rewards elsewhere to make hunts less attractive. Add seals and more tombs to Coil runs. Hell, add them to CT runs. On the note of CT, greatly increase the oil drop rate (literally, every party should get one to lot on at the end).
And to help current hunt methods, toss a 5-10 minute invincibility buff to every hunt mob when it spawns.
Raise the rewards elsewhere to make hunts less attractive. Add seals and more tombs to Coil runs. Hell, add them to CT runs. On the note of CT, greatly increase the oil drop rate (literally, every party should get one to lot on at the end).
And to help current hunt methods, toss a 5-10 minute invincibility buff to every hunt mob when it spawns.
What if they were too high in the first place?
theSlacker
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Yeah, the social part is only thing I actually like about doing the dungeons. Most of the time though it's just so boring.
Me and kawa have seen it! Full gaf group, both the dps were barely minimum ilevel. Hadn't even done their 50 class quest yet. I had to go sword oath and kawa cleric for most of the fight to barely pull it off.
But did you wipe because of it? That's kinda what I mean, actually having all good dps isn't needed most of the time now. Not saying wipes never happen but it's a lot rarer. I do trials every day and even in Titan HM we one shot it the majority of the time.
Almost. I had to raise every dps and the healer at least once. Game is hard.
DrForester
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It'd probably have to be a mechanically heavy fight rather than gear dependent in order to let a higher percent of the population take part in it. I think pre-nerf Siren was a pretty good balance between gear and mechanics (although just a smidge bit too hard on undergeared healers). Players really had to respect the majority of the mechanics to not wipe.
also the HM HM hard enrage club is growing!!! (this is a shameful club don't join it)
theSlacker
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It's funny since it is a self correcting error. When the next tier comes around they could adjust the reward equivalent for them then (if there will even be a hunt based reward equivalent) and not mess with something that has been working for months now. I guess we will see what happens though. The haters hating may have won the war after the opposing force has already occupied the territory and moved on.
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