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Final Fantasy XIV |OT5| All You Need is Gil
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NinjaCarrot
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Zomba13
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Everyone hurry, get those welfare sands while you can
Look at that dick in the black beanie pulling early. Must be Pac Kage.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
What spreadsheet is this? Can I get in on it?
Is top secret.
There's one in Sargatanas, too.
What spreadsheet is this? Can I get in on it?
Link is in the Guildwork site forums.
EndcatOmega
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Be psychic. Also, don't play MNK or SMN.
creid
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Ahaha, the Sarg one was so helpful last night, I knew it would never survive until morning
/shout OMW DON'T PULL YET
/shout IT'S DEAD?!? OMG U ****S
Get in a hunt LS and a party within that, or pick one up on Party Finder and go to the co-ords where they say there is a hunt
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Ahaha, the Sarg one was so helpful last night, I knew it would never survive until morning
Yeah, got lots of A's and even a few S yesterday.
Never knew where it come from, some guy in my party was calling A's open times in every possible region.
- Go WAR.
- When someone tries to "reset" the hunt, by moving it away from it's aggro area, use Holmgang.
- Proceed to laugh at people at i110 level people that resets only in their best interest and calls "early" pulling when their friend "train" isn't there.
Yeah I'm having tons of fun with the hunts even with the current issues and the GAF mudslinging that has come from it. Yesterday was just crazy with everyone trying to hunt down the S marks.
Relaxed Muscle
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When I hear you talk about ppl investigating to get S ranks to pop, playing together to fight the S ranks, ppl waiting, is like I'm hearing some alternate world.
In Sarg, every method to pop S has been discovered, no experimientation needed, everyone shouts how to do it or there's one LS that already does the method by themselves, there's no team play: You need Esuna? Too bad, Healers are busy spaming Medica II so they got max reward. People dosn't wait, as long their party is there is fine, the zerg fest makes imposible most of the time to see S ranks and get more than 5 seals.
There's just bitterness, madness and rage.
Oh and runnin around, lot's of running around of pure boredrom.
Thanks goodness I'm out for a while of that. Got my sand and my Noct Lorica and forget about all this.
Definetly the worst content of the game so far.
In Sarg, every method to pop S has been discovered, no experimientation needed, everyone shouts how to do it or there's one LS that already does the method by themselves, there's no team play: You need Esuna? Too bad, Healers are busy spaming Medica II so they got max reward. People dosn't wait, as long their party is there is fine, the zerg fest makes imposible most of the time to see S ranks and get more than 5 seals.
There's just bitterness, madness and rage.
Oh and runnin around, lot's of running around of pure boredrom.
Thanks goodness I'm out for a while of that. Got my sand and my Noct Lorica and forget about all this.
Definetly the worst content of the game so far.
the_sun_king
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It really makes no sense why there are mark bills for the elites when that crap's pointless (yeah, yeah, I'm late to discovering this). These really should just work like leves - make them an instance you can only engage in if you picked up the bill.
I don't know how anyone can find them fun at all as they are currently.
I don't know how anyone can find them fun at all as they are currently.
SE's silence is pretty irritating at this point.
It's pretty funny that the chicken nugget lightning rod nerf was so fast and thorough, while the hunt adjustments so far have been fairly ineffectual and pointless.
See this stumbling across the mob at random and calling in help is kind of cool. Not going to be terribly common in the current environment, but cool.
See this stumbling across the mob at random and calling in help is kind of cool. Not going to be terribly common in the current environment, but cool.
Titan-Egi was robbed. ;-;
The concept of hunts is great, it's really the implementation and subsequent balancing that leaves so, so much to be desired.
I agree with others in that hunting can be really fun, but its negative impact on all areas of the game are indefensible.
I agree with others in that hunting can be really fun, but its negative impact on all areas of the game are indefensible.
Hamburgler
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While in my 17 years of MMO gaming experience I've never once seen devs take anyone's ideas and implement them to change or fix anything this is how I would do it:
Easy fix: Limit seals per week. Some have mentioned limiting the high end rewards per week but the same people would keep farming unabated just to get all the other stuff and for the sole reason of denying others.
Better but more complex fix:
Leave S Rank as is for the most part. The real problem(s) on these are the rendering problems and the predictable pop times allowing for a time monopolization.
Change A ranks to be force pop through items. Make the weekly hunt bills different for each character rather than the same for all. These bills can be used to spawn a party-limited A mark similar to guildleve mobs. Make other A Rank pop items drop from FATEs, treasure hunts, and other open world content. Allow use of an amount of guildleve allowances to purchase A Rank pop items.
Leave B Ranks as is but make more than one per zone. Add B Ranks to guildleves as they are sort of already in as the bounty monsters.
Increase the rewards for daily marks to be worth doing.
I think that would cover all the bases without making everyone abandon open world content.
Easy fix: Limit seals per week. Some have mentioned limiting the high end rewards per week but the same people would keep farming unabated just to get all the other stuff and for the sole reason of denying others.
Better but more complex fix:
Leave S Rank as is for the most part. The real problem(s) on these are the rendering problems and the predictable pop times allowing for a time monopolization.
Change A ranks to be force pop through items. Make the weekly hunt bills different for each character rather than the same for all. These bills can be used to spawn a party-limited A mark similar to guildleve mobs. Make other A Rank pop items drop from FATEs, treasure hunts, and other open world content. Allow use of an amount of guildleve allowances to purchase A Rank pop items.
Leave B Ranks as is but make more than one per zone. Add B Ranks to guildleves as they are sort of already in as the bounty monsters.
Increase the rewards for daily marks to be worth doing.
I think that would cover all the bases without making everyone abandon open world content.
For me personally, half the fun is finding/getting to the mark before the horde does and making sure me and the rest of the people in our linkshell get credit before the mark explodes. Last night for example we had several groups all scouting, racing against the horde, and trying to make the S ranks spawn. The teamwork that took is where I got my fun from, not from blowing up a dumb oversized mob. Even when we didn't get there in time, I was still having fun cause the mad rush to the mark with the horde is hilarious to me.
I will say though that the mark bills are completely screwed up the way they're currently implemented. Dailies should be bumped up to reward a bonus 20 seals when you complete them all. While the billed elite mark should spit out a bonus 50 and be buffed up to an S+ lv at the start of the week so they can last longer against the horde and more people can get credit. As the week progresses it should lose power until the last day when it hits B lv power and to discourage the same people killing it over and over again it shouldn't spit out any seals or logs if you've already completed the bill.
RellyRell28
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Oh look we have bitching about hunts again.
Relaxed Muscle
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Because is an absolutly perfect working content that deserve no criticism.
Criticism of broken game design isn't "bitching".
devious.one
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To be fair, and I'm sure it's the same for a majority of people; 90% of the time an S rank pops it's impossible to target people because everyone is getting culled. Medica is about all the healers can do.
R_thanatos
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As a SMN i can't disagree
I think that instances would solve the problems BUT it would kill the reason why the made the hunts that way ..i think you need to drop the hunt system all together while this is reworked.
Relaxed Muscle
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When I have 3 WHM in my pt, I expect at least one of them, to navigate the party list and throw an esuna instead of letting me run like an idiot for 10 seconds from Terror.
"Calling in help" in this case meant calling an entire linkshell and then some, as the person in that screenshot is owner of one of the biggest Hunt LSes on Adamantoise. But we're pretty good about it. I found it for example, so I got the right to tag it and nobody complained.
Good thing 2.3 added more than Brayflox.
Relaxed Muscle
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I was never been a fan of farming in Bray hard. I'd rather do a few roulettes every day than farm the same dungeon over and over. And now this was fixed, new dungeons are fun, they barely can get SR, but they have the right length.
At least you played the "game" in bray, 90% of time in hunts you're running around...
At least you played the "game" in bray, 90% of time in hunts you're running around...
R_thanatos
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That's because unless you've talked about it before , each Healer in a big groupe should have role priorities.
If you have a SCH and a WHM it's easy to do , but when you have only SCH or only WHM , the healer need to talk and decide.
Who is focusing on healing the tanks ? Who is healing the dps ? ( in case you need to do both ).
WHo is treating party afflictions ? Who is prioritising groups heals ?
This stuff like that
Things is , if you don't talk about it , you are bound to find problems like this.
Esuna or leeches aren't bad, but 2 in a row is a waste , so people need to discuss.
Thing is , people don't discuss those things.
As a SCH i focus on healing the tanks and i left the rest of the party to a WHM.But that's just me. If i play with another SCh and he is already doing that i focus on the rest of the group
devious.one
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Again, it's not always possible in such a big crowd. When players get culled, we can't target you at all, no matter how hard we want to take that Terror off of you.
As an healer, I can tell you that most of the times I can't even see half of my party members during S ranks.
Be grateful they are spamming Medica II, at least you'll get healed regardless.
Edit: ninja'd by devious.one
Relaxed Muscle
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Hunts is not really content you can't talk things. People wants their max reward, healers just spam their AoE heals, because is the easiet way to get max reward. They don't care about priorities or anything, which action will led me to get max seals? that's all in their mind. Is the easiest route and in the very few instances where some of the S ranks mechanics can be bothersome...well, they don't really care.
R_thanatos
Member
They don't talk , they don't care ...for me it's the same things really ..
I understand what you mean , the hunts as they are now are not "teamwork" since everyone just want their reward and nothing else.
theSlacker
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Claiming things you don't like are broken is.
R_thanatos
Member
considering how many fix there are already to the system and how many are coming , i'd say it's broken.
Relaxed Muscle
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Just because you like it doesn't mean it doesn't have problems.
I feel like it's impossible at this point to deny that the hunt system is broken--the entire daily/weekly mark thing is obviously messed-up, and they essentially emergency patched out the only viable solo content in it to try and adjust to player reaction. Also S-ranks literally do not function properly in the current environment. They don't display half the time due to system limitations. Broken.
That doesn't mean you can't have fun with it in its broken state, and maybe they'll leave it broken long-term, but this isn't a game system that is functioning anywhere near intended.
Non-hunt bitching: Seriously why doesn't Frontlines give GC seals? The hell? I'm going to battle for these people!
Or we could go by the old XI Tanaka adage
Jokes aside, Excalibur has a really nice system for hunts if you discount the PBC swarm.
WickedLaharl
Member
I can't hear you from inside of my hunt LS.
Who admitted what? I see radio silence and I'm loving it.
Same to this post, they did the only fix they needed to and I've heard of nothing else.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
There's was already a fix and more to follow.
That's basically admitting there's something very wrong with it.
Of course we still waiting for YoshiP to appear and basically say the need to rework the damn thing.
You know what they could give? Allied seals...maybe that way we shouldn't start battles with half the players in one or two teams...
lazybones18
Banned
If I have one negative thing to say about hunts, it's that it somehow became more important to do hunts than helping others in the FC with non-hunt activities. Seriously, you can't take 15-30 mins off from hunting to help someone complete a dungeon or trial? Especially when the queue wait times are now ridiculous? Hell, there were S hunts occurring while I was doing a dungeon yesterday, but I never left the damn thing (and I've never left the middle of a dungeon if Odin popped up).
What more to follow? Seriously, I'm not trolling or anything I've heard of nothing else to follow. They needed an HP buff so that they could survive for more than 1 second and we got that. No other issues. You can't patch out greed and trolls.
theSlacker
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Having problems and being broken are different, and a blanket statement on content that many people are enjoying, along with wanting to change it in ways that would no longer be enjoyable to those people is "bitching".
I know the world's got problems, I've got problems of my own. Not the kind that can't be solved with an atom bomb
Ni shagu nazad.
Those are very clear problems, but not the kind people seem interested in fixing. Applying the odin/behemoth priority deal to S ranks should have been something that they did right from the getgo. Something should also be done about the daily/weekly mark thing since they provide such a small reward. Imo make it so they too give a sand to make it worthwhile.
I kid.
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