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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale

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BadRNG

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scy said:
Well ... if everyone does 6, I technically get 12 if I get every single one Contagion'd. It's still short (plus I was one of the deaths and would've probably lost an activation) but still. I think a 7th per person is possible if you delay P1/P2 ending by like 5-10s and had ideal pot usage (e.g., t = 0, 1m48s, 3m36s, 5m24s) but it also means less time in the final phase to compensate. And, well, still runs the risk of being short.
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Would contagion actually be available for every single one you used? I don't know how that would time, assuming you weren't saving it and losing dps. I'm not sure what you mean by delay ending P1/P2 to gain the extra time though, since as you said you'd simply lose that in the final. The point about missing applications due to death is another thing I didn't consider though, the main misses I thought of to throw off perfect timing were ES/megaflare but if Tabris point was to compensate for dead people this would likely never work.

Jayhawk said:
I wonder if there will be Mickey Mouse cosplay at FanFest this weekend. Mr. D seems to love Mickey Mouse. Tokyo has a DisneyLand too, so that is a bonus for people preparing their costumes.
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Live hot cheese Mickey Mouse sounds nightmarish.
 
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Valor

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scy said:
I don't think there's a single minute of the fight that Blind wouldn't be full DR'd. ~54 Ruin 2s in the 1% wipe attempt which is almost perfectly 3 per minute.

gotta keep that GCD going!
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ABC, right? Always Bring Churros.

Maybe I should bring Silencing potions next time we attempt Turn 1 or 2 just to see what happens.
 
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Stuart444

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Going to be trying T7 soon probably and just a few questions:

1. Is it cursed voice that you should make sure you are facing the Renauds for? (to petrify them)?

2. The vids I've seen, people don't kill the Renauds right? Why is that/do they stay up for the entire fight?

Besides that, the fight seems relatively simple anyway.
 
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scy

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BadRNG said:
Would contagion actually be available for every single one you used?
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Using them on cooldown puts them out of sync with Contagion which would mean I'd delay the potion for it and not the other way around I think. Would possibly work out.

I'm not sure what you mean by delay ending P1/P2 to gain the extra time though, since as you said you'd simply lose that in the final.
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The fourth activation would come at 5m24s (+15s to actually tick) if used perfectly on cooldown. If the phase change is delayed to allow it to hit, you get 4 in P1/P2 and then 3 in final vs 3/3. The times do not line up properly to get 4 in the final phase for us (~5:15 P1/P2, 3:45 P3, ~5:00 P4) since you need around 5m40s to get 4 uses in so the only way to squeeze in 4 is in P1/P2.

...but doing this means lowering your overall DPS for it so it's a pointless proof of concept thing. You're more likely to try to cut P1/P2 down to, say, 4:30 or so instead but then you have that whole weirdness of adds spawning anyway just because they can. And, well, if you can push P1/P2 that fast you'll crush P4~

basically it's mathematically possible but stupid
 
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iammeiam

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Stuart444 said:
Going to be trying T7 soon probably and just a few questions:

1. Is it cursed voice that you should make sure you are facing the Renauds for? (to petrify them)?
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Voice, yes, if you're the healer with voice (and if you're healing, turn auto-face-target off, you don't want to turn to voice the Renaud then heal MT and oops stone everyone) Everyone else faces the edge of the arena, away from everyone.

2. The vids I've seen, people don't kill the Renauds right? Why is that/do they stay up for the entire fight?
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Voice is the triangle debuff and means, when the counter reaches zero, you're shooting a conal AOE ahead of you that stones anyone caught in it. Shriek is a circular debuff that, when the timer hits zero, shoots a circular AOE out from you that stones anyone caught in it. The only way to prevent the party from turning to rocks is to have a stoned Renaud for the shriek person to hide behind. The stoned Renaud then LoS's the shriek and prevents stoning the party/buffing Melusine.

Some people swear by one Renaud at a time, some 4 stack, but the idea is that you always want at least one frozen Renaud up for shriek.

Besides that, the fight seems relatively simple anyway.
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It's mostly situational awareness; now that the party can eat a shriek and still survive it's pretty easy as long as people keep track of their voices and the OT can grab and hold the adds. Venomous tail, petrifaction, voice, shriek. It's mostly just knowing what's going on at any given time that's key. Getting 8 people to all pay attention can be tricky though.
 
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BadRNG

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scy said:
basically it's mathematically possible but stupid
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It's possible to hit the 7 mark, but that mark was only made under the assumption of identical dps, so you'd still need more pots to now make up for the loss in damage? Seems like an endless loop.

Ken said:
The only potion I need is one for all this buttclenching.
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I think they got a cream for that.
 
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scy

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iammeiam said:
Some people swear by one Renaud at a time, some 4 stack, but the idea is that you always want at least one frozen Renaud up for shriek.
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To add on to this, the single-stack method means you can just root it in place and either keep the same one frozen the entire time or you just put a fresh one there when needed. It's to minimize the risk of having a bunch of Renauds that need to be hit by voice each time at the expense of needing to constantly deal with them throughout the fight.

Stacking four there simply means no more Renauds spawn and you just keep a full stack frozen constantly. It frees the kiter up to ... well, not kite but it means that a missed voice was a wipe since you'd have four dudes warping around one-shotting everyone.

Well, if the Renauds were capable of killing anyone. Now it's mostly a case of do you want to deal with putting a Renaud in place more often (single stack) or deal with potentially roaming Renauds if a voice is missed (four stack).

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It's possible to hit the 7 mark, but that mark was only made under the assumption of identical dps, so you'd still need more pots to now make up for the loss in damage? Seems like an endless loop.
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Pretty much. It's just an oddity with how the cooldowns time out with that whole middle phase effectively resetting the fight. But, yeah, it never actually gets to solve the problem anyway so it's pointless.
 
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Stuart444

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iammeiam said:
Getting 8 people to all pay attention can be tricky though.
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Thanks for the info!. Didn't even think about auto-face. Alice will be healing so I'll get her to make sure that is turned off.

Worst comes to worst, a quick GAF group will probably one shot it... probably :p. (assuming DF groups go south which I always expect them to so I can be surprised if they don't lol)

edit: scy: That explains why some vids have all 4 frozen, some have only one frozen at the same point (HP wise)
 
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iammeiam

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scy said:
To add on to this, the single-stack method means you can just root it in place and either keep the same one frozen the entire time or you just put a fresh one there when needed. It's to minimize the risk of having a bunch of Renauds that need to be hit by voice each time at the expense of needing to constantly deal with them throughout the fight.
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This is true, but it also adds the risk that somebody is going to auto-attack or tab target your sole survivor Renaud and completely bone you for shriek. Also I'm think more post-nerf-world where...

Stacking four there simply means no more Renauds spawn and you just keep a full stack frozen constantly. It frees the kiter up to ... well, not kite but it means that a missed voice was a wipe since you'd have four dudes warping around one-shotting everyone.
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Yoshi-P's based 60 second Renaud freeze increase means you have to really, really try to have Renauds bust loose. I don't think I've seen Renauds bust loose unless two voices were missed and the shriek target bit it before shriek went out since the nerfs came down. I guess it's possible if the stack is more 'Renauds sprinkled liberally around A' than an actual stack, but then you're stacking wrong.

4 stack pre-nerf used to carry more risk if nobody was babysitting timers, but in the post-nerf world the risk is mostly gone and people should probably do whatever they're most comfortable with. Unless it's 1 stack and your group can't stop killing Renauds. Then maybe keep a spare handy.
 
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iammeiam

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I am so happy right now.
 
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Kagari

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Echo increased:

In “The Second Coil of Bahamut”, the effect of The Echo will be increased. The Echo will be applied upon commencement of duty, and max HP/dealt damage/effect of restorative magic will be increased by 15%.
*Restarting will not increase the effect.

It will now be possible to queue solo for “The Akh Afah Amphitheatre (Extreme)” in the Duty Finder.



The following issues have been addressed.

An issue wherein the battle with Phlegethon in “The Crystal Tower: Labyrinth of the Ancients” would not progress normally under certain conditions.
An issue in the special quest “The Ties that Bind” wherein the message when obtaining the “Embrace” emote would display repeatedly.
An issue in the special quest “The Ties that Bind” wherein under certain conditions it was possible to progress the quest even without having acquired all pieces of clothing.
An issue in the Eternal Bond special quests wherein times referenced in the quest texts were displayed in Japan Standard Time (JST).
An issue wherein servers would crash under certain conditions.
An issue when using the Party Finder wherein certain conditions would cause abnormal terminations of the client.
An issue in the quest “The Past Is a Story We Never Tell” wherein incorrect messages would display during progression of the quest.
An issue wherein the quest title for “Guildmaster, Prelate, and Plot” would display in Japanese.
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WolvenOne

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IMBored said:
Needs moustache twirl emote. Evil angary, planing to catch all the fish.

In relation to the seasonal quest, does it seem easy to get tokens for everything?
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Well there is a grab bag item in there, soooo, it's more than just getting one of everything.... Or it can be, in any case.
 
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LiQuid!

I proudly and openly admit to wishing death upon the mothers of people I don't like
Is there a site out there somewhere that has pictures of housing items? There doesn't seem to be a way to preview them in game.
 
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Kenai

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LiQuid! said:
Is there a site out there somewhere that has pictures of housing items? There doesn't seem to be a way to preview them in game.
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xivdb usually has users who post screenshots of stuff pretty quick after a patch. You have to know the name of the item though, or you get a huge list to slog through.
 
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LiQuid!

I proudly and openly admit to wishing death upon the mothers of people I don't like
Kenai said:
xivdb usually has users who post screenshots of stuff pretty quick after a patch. You have to know the name of the item though, or you get a huge list to slog through.
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Exactly what I needed thanks.

So there's a winter event going on now? It looks snowy in Limsa but I don't see any quests or new NPC's around, is there stuff to do?

edit: never mind I think I found it
 
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Alrus

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I don't understand how a tank can be over level 35 and still not know how to pull a group and keep aggro... Yet I end up with a ton of tank that pretty much don't use a single enmity building ability during the run.
 
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Taruranto

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Stuart444 said:
Going to be trying T7 soon probably and just a few questions:

1. Is it cursed voice that you should make sure you are facing the Renauds for? (to petrify them)?

2. The vids I've seen, people don't kill the Renauds right? Why is that/do they stay up for the entire fight?

Besides that, the fight seems relatively simple anyway.
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What job are you?
 
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Gintamen

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Just wanted to upgrade to from PS3 to PS4 version when this info came up:
Those who change by exchange service version for PlayStation®4, is not entitled to the free month that comes with each new retail version.
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So I just could have bought the PS4 version to begin with and saved a couple € and hassle of buying a time card. Wish somebody would have warned me.
 
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Zhao_Yun

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Gintamen said:
Just wanted to upgrade to from PS3 to PS4 version when this info came up:

So I just could have bought the PS4 version to begin with and saved a couple € and hassle of buying a time card. Wish somebody would have warned me.
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That's strange, I upgraded from the PS3 Version and got my free month nevertheless. I might be wrong but maybe that sentence only means that you are not eligible for another free 1 month (as in using the free month on ps3, buying the ps4 retail version and enjoying another free month).
 
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Gintamen

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Zhao_Yun said:
That's strange, I upgraded from the PS3 Version and got my free month nevertheless. I might be wrong but maybe that sentence only means that you are not eligible for another free 1 month (as in using the free month on ps3, buying the ps4 retail version and enjoying another free month).
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Seems I got heated for nothing, The mogry-station says I still got 30 days left, see you in 4/5 hours. :D
 
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retrogamer84

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Alrus said:
I don't understand how a tank can be over level 35 and still not know how to pull a group and keep aggro... Yet I end up with a ton of tank that pretty much don't use a single enmity building ability during the run.
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It's unreal how people can even get to that level without knowing how to play their role. I had a PLD on Qarn the other day who did not use shield lob at all, he just used flash once and then his combo. This did not work at all and me and the DRG wound up having to tank a good portion of the run. I am not a good tank my self at this point, but even I could have tanked better than that.

I was able to beat the HM primal trials last night and get my relic weapon. Now I just need to get enough soldiery to upgrade it. I still need to get through the fates for the crystal tower quest. I know everyone was saying they were soloable, but I cannot seem to pull it off. I have yet to try with my relic though.
 
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Zhao_Yun

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retrogamer84 said:
It's unreal how people can even get to that level without knowing how to play their role. I had a PLD on Qarn the other day who did not use shield lob at all, he just used flash once and then his combo. This did not work at all and me and the DRG wound up having to tank a good portion of the run. I am not a good tank my self at this point, but even I could have tanked better than that.

I was able to beat the HM primal trials last night and get my relic weapon. Now I just need to get enough soldiery to upgrade it. I still need to get through the fates for the crystal tower quest. I know everyone was saying they were soloable, but I cannot seem to pull it off. I have yet to try with my relic though.
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Do you have your Chocobo Companion with you when soloing those fates? The extra healing helped me a lot.
 
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LiQuid!

I proudly and openly admit to wishing death upon the mothers of people I don't like
So what is the justification for half of arcanist's spells being instant cast vs. having a cast time? It seems to lead to the same amount of down time per spell. Am I missing something or is this set up useful in some way?
 
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Frazley

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No Starlight Barding! ;( I wasn't here last year to get it. Hoping it comes the 24th.

Tip: GAF has sponsored trees (found this on Reddit)

**Ultros GAF-sponsored Starlight Celebration sentinels!**

* Sun-topped @ Lavender Beds, Ward 1, Plot #45 (Haman Karn)

* Moon-topped @ The Goblet, Ward 7, Plot #1 (N'uadha Tia)

* Star-topped @ Mist, Ward 1, Plot #46 (Apolly Chan)

My advice: Get one of the colored items each day. I made the mistake of getting 1 red star and then two green stars. The exchange rate is 2 green for a colored star.

DO NOT FORGET: Return to Lavender beds are the other 3 dailies are done. You get a special quest that had me grinning.
 
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Alrus

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LiQuid! said:
So what is the justification for half of arcanist's spells being instant cast vs. having a cast time? It seems to lead to the same amount of down time per spell. Am I missing something or is this set up useful in some way?
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Plenty of off-GCD abilities to cast after instant spells. Allows you to weave them in your rotation without losing dps.
 
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Jayhawk

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Vitanimus

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Could someone tell me what the significance of the coloured circles in the top right hand corner of gear means? I can't figure it out :(
 
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