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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale
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Do WoD once and turn in the WoD quest. Once you do, there will be a new quest in Saint Conich's that sends you to RevTol to pick up your weekly for a catalyst and carboncoat. Once you have the weekly, run all three sections.
In future weeks you'll be able to pick up the weekly in RevTol right after reset.
crazygambit
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I disagree. Even if perfectly executed it's still not the original vision, so by definition it's already a losing proposition and once you get into the realities of the execution (the budget almost always is lower than for the original work for example) you'll realize they're doomed to be worse.
Something like Metal Gear I find much less offensive, since the creators are clearly actively involved in the process, so it's not a full on localization by a third party that has nothing to do with the original creator.
It's also why I'll never watch a dubbed movie, ever. Say you have this guy giving an Oscar winning performance and you put on top of that the voice of a guy that maybe attended some acting classes, perfect recipe to ruin a movie IMO.
Edit: It's like using the Vivid setting on the TV to get the colors to "pop". It's not the original vision. It's worse. It doesn't matter if you think it looked better. TV calibration is not about what looks better to you, but about reproducing stuff like the creators originally intended, so it's about getting your TV to process the signal correctly. It's like math 2+2=4. You might say that you prefer 2+2 = 47, still doesn't change the fact that it's 4.
Ahh, excellent. Thank you!
I always knew Drama was a Reagan-worshipper.
Rose of Eternity
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Phew. Very busy right now at work so I get to play like 20 minutes a day at 4 in the morning. Thanks for all the gaf fc people who help me out with newbie questions! Started up crafting finally and the bad FF11 memories are coming back. Apparently fishing is not lucrative right now in the game? I never fish in mmos but for some reason I feel like trying it in this one. But not if it's not going to at least generate some side income.
Anyone else out there living the newbie life? I'm sad I don't get to be stunned and awed by the patch as the veterans.
Anyone else out there living the newbie life? I'm sad I don't get to be stunned and awed by the patch as the veterans.
There is a massive difference between math and entertainment. Math's intrinsic value is in its objective correctness and it becomes useless without it. Entertainment's value relies on the subject, and trying to impose a singular correct viewpoint on everyone, even if it reduces their personal gain, seems unnecessarily rigid. Cinephile calibration may be about reproducing the visual effects, but some people like their colors to pop and there's nothing inherently harmful in that.
Likewise, a localization that maintains the entertainment value over literal translation isn't inherently bad. Jokes, attitudes, etc do not directly translate and insisting on a vanilla translation may hurt the end product if the overall entertainment is harmed IMO.
Do you seriously think that ~the original creators~ aren't involved in S-E's inhouse FFXIV project, or even that they're much more involved with the writers for JP ver. than they are with the writers for EN?
Finished MSQ last night.
Midgarsomir is the tiny durgon with the stuffy old man voice forcibly making me join his dragon covenant. I didn't realize I was playing Dark Souls again.
Also went through CT/ST/WoD weekly with my FC as a party.
Went incredibly smoothly. Man WoD is easy and fun when people aren't exploding left and right.
Everything in CT fucking explodes though, the whole alliance wiped to the final boss in CT once since the platform bit came super fast as we burned him down.
Midgarsomir is the tiny durgon with the stuffy old man voice forcibly making me join his dragon covenant. I didn't realize I was playing Dark Souls again.
Also went through CT/ST/WoD weekly with my FC as a party.
Went incredibly smoothly. Man WoD is easy and fun when people aren't exploding left and right.
Everything in CT fucking explodes though, the whole alliance wiped to the final boss in CT once since the platform bit came super fast as we burned him down.
Warriors of GAF, what are you guys melding on your Platinum Slaying accessories? Currently spirtbonding my ass off to get a good collection of Determination materia, but I'm not exactly sure what to meld on them. I made a gearset on Ariyala, (Gearset) if anyone has some free time could they take a look at it? My group is currently working on T12 Phase 3, hoping to get it down soon but we haven't been able to run.
Hey guys, I'm a FF14 noob and could really use some help. Two things come to mind, because you can't really help me overcome the terror of the first dungeon with a fiddly mouse and perfectible tanking capacity.
1/ Economy
So I tried leveling my craft classes yesterday and... is there something I missed or is the economy stingy as hell ? Let me explain, to make let's say the magical cake of the unicorn, I need 3x bananas at 12 gils each, and I can sell the resulting cake at... 1 gill ? Really ? Or is the game aiming at realism and I must sell certain items to certain people (dishes to cook etc.) ?
2/ Uguu, I forgot the question T_T
1/ Economy
So I tried leveling my craft classes yesterday and... is there something I missed or is the economy stingy as hell ? Let me explain, to make let's say the magical cake of the unicorn, I need 3x bananas at 12 gils each, and I can sell the resulting cake at... 1 gill ? Really ? Or is the game aiming at realism and I must sell certain items to certain people (dishes to cook etc.) ?
2/ Uguu, I forgot the question T_T
crazygambit
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No, actually it is exactly like math. You see the director and crew when making the film used professional grade equipment calibrated to a certain standard. That's what the use to compose their color and give the feel of the movie.
Your TV's job is to try to get as close to that standard to be able to reproduce exactly what the director had in mind when creating the movie.
If you use the vivid setting (or your TV isn't calibrated properly, which almost all aren't, but nothing will get you as far out from it as Vivid mode), you are not getting what the director had in mind when he made the movie. You're getting 47. You can say all day long how much 47 pops and how much you like it, but it doesn't change the fact that you're getting a mathematically wrong reproduction of color. 4 is the only right answer and if you get a professional calibrator to do your set he will try to get as close to that as the capabilities of your set allow.
Edit: I feel I'm getting wildly off topic, so this is the last I'll post on this issue on this thread at least.
I'm only clear on the bracelets. I think the fending ones are better, as they give 19 Crit.
You can meld Det IV Det IV, STR IV, STR IV, STR III and end up with 21 VIT, 18 STR, 12 Det and 19 Crit, which sounds like BiS to me.
I have one of those bracelets on the MB, but I could be persuaded to give you a deal...
The slaying one gives you accuracy, which at least for me, I'm already swimming in.
1 - Only certain items sell well, and they're only going to be items that are useful. Most food is not useful below level 50 recipes, for example.
2 - Tanking can be intimidating, but as long as you drop Flash every so often for a GLD/PLD or Overpower spam until TP is empty as a MRD/WAR, you'll do fine. Most dungeons are straight shots and difficult to get lost in. Nothing wrong with being a newbie, really, most people you meet in lowbie dungeons will be willing to help you out.
My objection continues to be you treating everything as inherently inferior if it deviates from the original in the slightest, and trying to treat literal translation = best translation as a fact on the same level of 2+2=4. That's not how mass entertainment works, or how cross-culture adaptations should be viewed for maximum overall return. If a literal translation won't be received by the NA audience the same way as the JP one, it makes no sense to use it just because someone somewhere decided original = best.
Don't translate anything. All of us simpletons should just learn Japanese if we want to experience their superior culture.
Pyros_Eien
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Every vendor pays the same. Items aren't meant to be sold to vendors, you do not generate money from crafting, you simply transfer money from one player to the other, to slow inflation. So when you make your magical cake of the unicorn, you want to put it on the market board(which requires a retainer, which requires level 15 ish or whatever, maybe after the 3 initial dungeons) and let people who want that buy it. People will pay good money for certain things, not so much for others. NPCs will always pay you trash. You are not meant to generate money in a vacuum, otherwise people would just bot that shit all day(not that there's no bot, but there would probably be more if it was possible, and harder to catch).
Gotta hit that ilvl req somehow lmao
ilvl 50 is some pretty strict requirement :3
What is it really though? Like 60? 65?
EndcatOmega
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I was more talking about how their writing usually had little to do with the incredibly staid generic JRPG anime nonsense of their actual source material than any 'dejapanification' or whatever.
It's 82.
I feel the localization in the game is fine for the most part. The Middy speech was a misstep though. Comparing the two, the Japanese dialog IS more clear on what he did to you and his intention IMO. But whatever.
Overall though, the main storyline took the dump a long time ago.
Overall though, the main storyline took the dump a long time ago.
Really? 82 to DF T5?
Oh right the ilvl cap back then was or something 95 wasn't it?
I personally found it hard to take Mid as anything but an unexpected ally.
Nothing about him seems malicious beyond him basically expecting you to prove your worth. I thought it was a nifty twist to align with him but I'm not expecting something crazy.
The theory that we might have been tempered somehow by hydaelyn is too far fetched for XIV's storyline.
Fully expect Mid's children to have defied him somehow and we're simply going to be used to knock them out along with whatever other dark force is lurking in the shadows too (ascians or otherwise) in the process.
We're talking about a story so far that has had stereotypical shifty eye'd evil scenes for pretty much every villain here... I mean it's nothing that wild.
Well, he fully endorses the burning of Ishgard. He fully endorses his child calling for it. I think he's pretty darn malicious in his own way. I don't think that's the case. I think it's simply "I'm bored so I'll tag along and see what you do. Because reasons. To see why 'she' chose you" or some garbage. Hell, him doing what he did was directly responsible for what happened in the Rising Stones.
Nah, Middy is an asshole.
He'd probably kill us, too, but he's like "Oh, you have the Echo. And Hydaelyn's endorsement. OKAY THEN. Have a minion."
Then again it's not like the dragons are entirely unjustified in their grudge against humans.
He fully endorsed the burning of Ishgard because we will probably get their and find out king Ishgard is an ascian asshole that needs his shit pushed in and Middy knows it. Mid is the real hero.
This is undeniable.
I simply don't see us getting led down anything but a storyline that props us up as the clearly defined hero. An unlikely partnership with a supposedly malevolent force using us to his own ends is just too far out there for me to believe with what's happened so far. Mid's just going to end up being Hydaelyn 2.0. This adventurer has proven to be useful to the mother and might be helpful to me might be the narrative initially, but I fully expect at some point in the future for him to just outright become a force for good. These dragon kids are out of control my man, being used by ascians or whoever I don't care I'm old an bored. Give them a spanking with my blessing. We're bros 4 lyfe. Have a fat dragon minion on the house too.
Also I'm okay with what happened in the Rising Stones.
That was probably the worst new character introduced. That hair was atrocious.
Also I'm okay with what happened in the Rising Stones.
That was probably the worst new character introduced. That hair was atrocious.
I suppose they should make it so you want apply at the FC house or something. Usually you just find a character with <<GAF>> next to their name, then right-click on them and select "View Company Profile".
EndcatOmega
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A character with his own agenda who isn't an incompetent super villain nor a cheerleader shouting 'scything's the best', but I don't wanna get my hopes up.
(scything is the best)
(scything is the best)
EndcatOmega
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'-Certain FATEs that occur with a high frequency have been adjusted to appear less often. Furthermore, the frequency at which FATEs related to the Trials of the Braves occur has been increased.'
Patch.
Right, which is why I asked. I'm mostly asking if anyone has actually tried it out to see if there's an improvement in the doing books process. They did it once before and it helped a little but there were still multi-hour-waits, whereas anecdotally this seems much more drastic but that could just be observation bias on my part since I'm not actively camping rigt now.
while I was tooling around at camp bronze lake last night I saw Surprise pop twice in 20 minutes. FWTW
Total disagreement.
EndcatOmega
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Oh, whoops, misread that entirely. Someone in one of my linkshell was complaining about Heroes of the 2nd now being up constantly, if that helps.
Hm ... you're below cap on a lot of these. I get that for the damage stat overmelds but losing 5 VIT per slot seems weird to me. On that note, you can switch your earrings to Fending ones with Determination melded in (2x Det IV, 2x STR IV, STR III) if that's a lot cheaper than VIT overmelds. Same STR/VIT, -1 DET for capped Accuracy (+7). Also worth noting is that you're under the accuracy cap for T13 for whenever you get there in that set (-4).
Anyway, my tentative WAR wishlist is this. If I were to swap to Fending on the earrings and the Slaying wrist and don't do cheap melds on the ring, that set would have native 558 Accuracy and can switch back to Risotto but oh well. I planned poorly and didn't stock up Accuracy 4s in any reasonable quantity + already have the Slaying earring done. Alternatively, I think this could also mean swapping the choker out for the Dreadwyrm Slaying one for more DPS.
crazygambit
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I feel that on this issue I have way more experience than most of you, since I'm from a Spanish speaking country I've had to deal with translated content one a wide variety of content my whole life (most is in English after all).
And it's not a case of the grass is greener either. Everything is better in its original language. I'm sure if I ever tried to watch a dub of "El chavo del 8" in English I would probably puke in my mouth a little. Just like Spanish dubs of American movies are universally awful. If you can have the original audio do that.
For text, obviously that's impossible, but you should strive to to convey the original author's vision as closely as possible. Point is I don't really care what the head of localization has to say on a subject, I don't really want his take on it.
That said, literal translations are obviously stupid, like the keikaku image above, but that doesn't mean changing plot points, names, tone, etc, just so our little stupid brains can better understand the content, is appreciated. At least not by me, and I've been a heavy user of translations my whole life.
Actually thinking more about it, in Spanish I don't think we're exposed to "localizations" as often as Americans are. It's probably because it would be too time intensive, since pretty much all entertainment needs to be translated here. The only exception I can think of are puns that would obviously never work otherwise. I appreciate when fan translations give you a little note there, but I can understand why that can't happen on broadcast stuff.
It might be American teams feel they need to localize stuff because the public isn't used to seeing stuff from overseas, but I wish they'd give them the benefit of the doubt, instead of patronizingly assuming they won't be able to deal with it.
Edit: I just realized I said I wouldn't post anymore about this. Sorry, I'm done now.
Sounds better, then, in-line with what I'm seeing. Thans.
Mobs and dungeons still kind of meh but.
None of this changes that you are conflating your personal preferences for media consumption with hard fact.
You don't like localization, fine. That doesn't make localization inferior on an external, objective level that nobody can refute.
My beef is that you basically put your personal preference on the level of universal truth and seem to be doubling down on it. I like nerdy in-depth translations with liner notes, but I'm not naive enough to think they're the one true path. Or even terribly accessible in a lot of cases.
Whoops.
Also my character is getting married right now.
I just want the mount, having someone log into my account and go through it for me.
Well, it's either Middy or 'Sormr... I'll go with 'Sormr myself. Middy is too much like a pet name, and I hardly consider this guy a pet.
Overall, everyone agrees on one single fact: 'Sormr is kind of an a**.
Honestly, I hope he won't turn into Hydaelyn 2.0. Judging from his feelings towards Ishgard, I'm not too worried about that. I want him to stay as how I perceive him: a greater and powerful being following his own agenda and who couldn't care less about the games of the humans and ascians. Dude is eternal: 2.0 will just be a new interesting movie for him, in which he will lose interest as soon as it is over.
crazygambit
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Maybe we shouldn't be discussing this in terms of better or worse. If I want to experience media content A a direct translation is the only way that's gonna happen. If I get a localization now I'm experiencing media content B. Whether B is better than A on its own merits is beside the point IMO. If your objective is to experience A and you get B, by definition a localization is a worse solution on an objective level that nobody can refute.
Besides the above, there are very real practical reasons why B is almost always worse than A. Budget and talent are usually the biggest.
If people seem to like B that's fine, sometimes there are no alternatives and you're forced to experience B if you want to at least get close to experiencing A. However as long as you don't think you're getting A, it's fine by me.
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