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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale
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Judging from people's response this seems like a matter of taste. I don't mind the cheesy attack calling but I can see why some would, and as long as nothing of importance is lost the translation doesn't bother me. The wording in that KoL conversation change bothers me more, but even that I can honestly see as a taste thing, and the below link is a sufficient explanation for the change. I come away with the same overall knowledge. The main difference is Midgardsormr seems way more...human? I guess in the JPN text. It's very wordy and his giant (unneeded) exposition feels like a rant you'd hear from any random character. In English he comes off far more dignified, and in a way separate from other characters - like he really is above what is going on and is a being beyond us, which sounds like was the intention.
The craziest JPN/ENG differences I've seen, and the ones that really kind of made me mad, were the hunt descriptions for the S ranks when people were trying to figure out how to spawn them. They took the usual liberties and added a lot of colorful language to the English version, but since this actually affected gameplay, the direct points of the JPN text were waaaay more helpful. I was only able to figure out some of the conditions after reading the JPN text.
(Everyone thought I was crazy about the Mahisha spawn, who is crazy now?!)
Great thing is though if the English translation bothers you that much, you can easily switch languages, so regardless of where your taste lies there's no lose/lose here.
Fern must read GAF.
I uh, think you missed the point of the discussion.
What about my standing within that gc, ie first class lieutenant.
DarknessTear
Banned
I tried to win. But eventually their scariness did me in. Oh, and I took my own perspective screenshot.. which looks about the same. D:
So how is this not making things up? This is something that English side did and is completely misrepresented in Japanese then. They can't seem to agree on characterization? So much for that direct connection with the writers?
Somehow, highly intelligent dragons are unable to express themselves in more than a few words because they're... old?
Okay.
I don't get it.
RellyRell28
Banned
Oh god this Hildy quest.
*dead*
Just got to the part with his mom
*dead*
It's not misrepresented from Japanese because the dragons' language is not Japanese nor derived from Japanese. The dragons' language itself is also bering re-interpreted to Japanese too -- and, in a sense, Koji-Fox describes the power of the Echo as a "localization".
Yeah, but you have to write dialogue in a way the viewer would understand. The discrepancy in characterization is there. In Japanese, there is no special stylistic alternation to Mid's speech except for pseudoarchaic speech used quite widely for characters of such type. But in English, an extra characterization idea is brought in. Again, I shall point you to how players get a strikingly different impression from the dialogue even though the overall meaning, as you and K-F claim, is unchanged.
Why don't you address your concerns in that OF thread then?
I'd like to build up material first, lest my concerns get dismissed by the armies of fanboys believing devs can do no wrong.
irfaanator
Banned
you'll be at the lowest standing in a new gc, but when you go back to mael, you'll still be first class lieutenant. Pretty much any rankings/seals/logs/quests are insular to each GC. There is no cross between the GCs. Like you can't even equip storm stuff if you aren't mael
got the new ice boots soo OP
http://www.twitch.tv/redx508/c/5936690
http://www.twitch.tv/redx508/c/5936690
The problem with this is that it hinges upon an assumption that the Japanese script is like a master copy from which no contextual liberties should be taken. It's not how the the scripts in this particular game are developed, but if it were, I'm more inclined to think it would lead to drab localization.
Take the piratespeak and jargon in Limsa Lominsa and othersuch places for example -- a type of language has no counterpart in Japan. However, if we were to remove this in favor of a more transliterated Japanese, all the character that can be derived out of this type of talk would be gone -- and in my opinion, sorely missed.
As for what you perceive to be a character discrepancy in how Midgardsormr talks in the Japanese version and English version, I'll leave it to Koji-Fox to answer your post in the OF thread -- because, really, he's the guy who is responsible for it.
To interject my own opinion again, I really don't see such a striking divergence between the two versions based on the manner of speech, but I feel we gain much more by these linguistic liberties than none.
It's a really interesting subject.
Black-Wind
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Ran WoD and got my tank boots ... should I bother running again for the minion though? I mean, I can't get any more parts (Tank legs dropped after that and my heart took a blow. IDK if I can stand missing out on the chest ) but I want that minion :/
Roller-coaster of emotion: Get distracted typing off-putting things into FC chat and face pull a pack of mobs in the infinite WP hallway the tank snuck past; die, respawn, sneak past, run forever to catch up, only to have to turn around and run all the way back because sneaking past mobs leaves the hallway barricaded. I should have just drug the mobs to the party instead of accepting death.
WP and its anti-sneaking anti-speed run mechanics still suck.
You'll probably be running WoD weekly for a while anyway; tons of chances to roll on and lose the minion without burning yourself out week one.
WP and its anti-sneaking anti-speed run mechanics still suck.
You'll probably be running WoD weekly for a while anyway; tons of chances to roll on and lose the minion without burning yourself out week one.
Hey guys, my GAF account just got approved, is GAF still playing this game? I wanna join GAF's free company (Ultros server) if its okay.
My character is a level 40 Marauder & I'm relatively an MMO noob (the last MMO I played extensively was WoW when it first came out).
I'm loving the game so far, the only thing I hate about it is the clunky targeting system on PS4 (it gets overwhelming when there are 5+ enemies on screen, but I'm learning) & the dreadful mini-map.
My character is a level 40 Marauder & I'm relatively an MMO noob (the last MMO I played extensively was WoW when it first came out).
I'm loving the game so far, the only thing I hate about it is the clunky targeting system on PS4 (it gets overwhelming when there are 5+ enemies on screen, but I'm learning) & the dreadful mini-map.
My alt's luck is p bad too.
So I just fiiinally finished the Animus version of my spear after doing those stupid books for like 2 weeks. I got the thing and thought "boy this thing glows, I must be getting close to the end of this quest line!" Then I looked up how much of the quest line there is still to go...
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irfaanator
Banned
I saw 6 belts today. 6 belts in 3 runs
How are you targeting them. There are two ways. 1 uses the dpad and the other uses the shoulder buttons
The Alexandrite step is now much much shorter (well unless you're going for full crit/det and you're broke ;_
and the Novus step has been nerfed too, so it's not nearly as bad as it was before.The Alexandrite step is now much much shorter (well unless you're going for full crit/det and you're broke ;_
I just got done spending the majority of my fortune on onions for my chocobo and other frivolities.
How many of the crit/det materia 4's are you going to have to sink into the thing in order to max them out? That's an incredible amount of gil, even for just a few of each.
tiggerkiddo
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Anyone who has seen DoS should not be surprised with Midgarsorml's behavior!
Don't suppose anyone has any links to 3* rotations? I finally got the stats to start doing them, but the two 80 durability rotations I found don't seem to work in the crafting simulator (doesn't reach 100% progress). So I'm wondering if these rotations are wrong or I'm missing something.
There's 2 add phases, Phase 2 and 3.
Oh right i mean the third, after the dive.
Fun fight actually, can't remember enjoying a raid that much.
You can target with the shoulder buttons? How? & Does it help in targeting only the enemies that have high enmity towards someone else? When there are 5+ enemies & two DPS party members with skills that raise enmity, it can be pretty frustrating to keep 3 enemies on me while pulling the other two enemies back.
irfaanator
Banned
i think it's l2/r2+r1/l2. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/playguide/win/manual/#gamepad_mode. rotates between nearest enemy to farthest or vice versa. You can also number targets using signs to help dps focus down certain enemies so you can hold hate better. Also make sure you are using flash/overpower. Those are your friends during low level dungeons. It also helps to make sure you have a weapon at the highest level you equip since stats like weapon dmg/str/determination affect how much aggro you generate with your moves
tiggerkiddo
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I use the one from FFxivguild. Go there, the rotation they listed for 3 stars has helped me out immensely.
Thanks for the tips, the numbering enemies sounds good, I'll try it when I get home, I hope it's mappable to the controller.
So how do I join GAF'S FC?
irfaanator
Banned
you apply on neogaf.guildwork.com and you send an application request in game
Ehhhhh.
crazygambit
Member
There are different 3* rotations depending on your stats. If you're 4* you can make a few changes.
What are the progress steps you're using? I remember that rotations online using something like Ingenuity II and 4 CSII. With that you should definitely be able to complete the craft, even though it's not very efficient. Look into Rapid Synth.
Edit: Also the simulators are a little off on 3* and 4*, so pay attention to how much progress you're actually getting and adjust accordingly.
I've spent the past couple of nights farming that thing for the BRD chestpiece to no avail. Saw the legs today and took it....at least it's worth as much as the chestpiece in tome equivalency. I still have yet to see the chest drop :/
I don't know what all the whining is. Mid talked to me and then did things to my body, I was not confused in the least. All these posts of "but here's what the Japanese said!" are dumb, I understood all of those exact things from reading the "dumbed down" English version. Sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining to me.
EndcatOmega
Unconfirmed Member
I miss Working Designs, they made stuff up all the time and no-one complained!
Are the platinum accessory models new? The scarf seems potentially interesting from a vanity perspective.
I think the only BRD drop I've seen so far is the Det/Skillspeed gloves. Tons of monk and ninja crap, and then miles of belts.
It's getting to the point that I'm missing welfare oil in WoD because it was a nice alternative when the farming was too annoying. Even if you didn't win the oil, it was nice to have something to roll on.
WoD loot tables also clued me in to the two pieces I want the most dropping from the same boss. And the stats on the healer hat aren't terrible so actual healers will probably roll on it, RIP.
I just want to move on to CT/ST so I can finish off the weekly and roll on gear to blow up.
I think the only BRD drop I've seen so far is the Det/Skillspeed gloves. Tons of monk and ninja crap, and then miles of belts.
It's getting to the point that I'm missing welfare oil in WoD because it was a nice alternative when the farming was too annoying. Even if you didn't win the oil, it was nice to have something to roll on.
WoD loot tables also clued me in to the two pieces I want the most dropping from the same boss. And the stats on the healer hat aren't terrible so actual healers will probably roll on it, RIP.
I just want to move on to CT/ST so I can finish off the weekly and roll on gear to blow up.
I don't use the Rapid Synth method, already enough RNG with Hasty Touch. 4* doesn't gain much with Ingenuity II but 3* it's still used. Piece by Piece x2 + Careful Synnthesis II x2 with Ingenuity II should complete Progress with the min requirements, from what I remember.
crazygambit
Member
Ugh I hated that. I hate the whole "localization" concept. It's basically saying to your face: "hey, we think you're too stupid to understand that this content takes place in a location totally different from yours, so we're gonna go ahead and butcher it and remove all cultural references so we can pretend it takes place in an alternative location that shares your culture."
I don't find that proposition very appealing.
Speaking purely from a statistical point of view, replacing 2 synth actions for a Rapid Synth is a huge win. The chance you fail 2 and thus have to take an extra action is only 4%. So 80% you're better off since it took you 1 step and 0 CP, 16% of the time it will take you the same 2 steps as before, but you still spent 0 CP, no Ingenuity needed. And 4% of the time you're worse off, which is still not a forced Reclaim, since you could still get lucky with HT down the line (it's just like messing 2 HT).
It's a win anyway you look at it. Of course you don't want RS as your finishing synth, I usually get them out of the way at first.
Lately I've been making money by HQ 4* mats. The final stuff sells really slowly, but the HQ mats go fast. You need a rotation good enough to get you to HQ from 0 somewhat reliably and you definitely want Rapid Synth for that. I'm at between 80%-90% HQ on 4* starting from 0 quality and I never Reclaim (I'd rather just get the NQ, which I can use for my own final crafts). I don't have any Lucis tools yet either, just the 453 craft requirement.
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
I need new sunglasses.
Well, that's only because our 'power levels' (weaboo levels) are high. The peasant gamer would be asking what a yakuza is.
Sometimes localization can make things funAce Attorney being a great example. I flipped out when I actually heard the words 'trickle down' used in 'economics' dialogue in Xillia 2. Localization by itself isn't bad; it's always the execution that determines whether or not it's good.
Why am I not surprised.
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