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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale

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If only there were some massive, benevolent military force who wanted to come in and do everyone in Eorzea a favour by getting rid of all the primals, forces that might summon primals, and the Miqo'te and other beastmen - all while bringing the continent to a new technological golden age and allowing its able-bodied men to see the world on exciting adventures.

They should get rid of all the other inferior races and create a Cat Utopia

A Catopia
 

Rising_Hei

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Square just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to play Dissidia, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square has alienated an entire market with this move.

Square, publicly apologize and cancel Y'shtola for Dissidia or you can kiss your business goodbye.

Is this a joke post? no offense
 

Frumix

Suffering From Success
Primals do or do not have to be tangible physical beings at any point.
Shiva for example was a person who then ended up being revered as a saint so maybe Bahamut was a real dragon at some point?
You just gotta believe.
 

LiQuid!

I proudly and openly admit to wishing death upon the mothers of people I don't like
Just got this paladin in DF for Odin wearing i50 left side slots (artifact armor) and i130 DPS accessories, trying to scam groups into carrying him so he could roll need on tank drops. Guy had like low 4k HP haha. What can you even do about these guys?
 
Just got this paladin in DF for Odin wearing i50 left side slots (artifact armor) and i130 DPS accessories, trying to scam groups into carrying him so he could roll need on tank drops. Guy had like low 4k HP haha. What can you even do about these guys?

You kick them. If they queued with a bunch of friends, not much to do there.
 

LiQuid!

I proudly and openly admit to wishing death upon the mothers of people I don't like
You kick them. If they queued with a bunch of friends, not much to do there.

Yeah we did but he was the only tank queuing so he just kept coming back, eventually we abandoned.

Any tips for this? Seems like Odin has way too much HP for the DPS check. I've tried this trial a couple times now both as Dragoon and Paladin and have only come close (down to about 5% HP during the Zanwhatever attack at the end, after LB3 used). Are there some common mistakes that DF gangs might be making that I could coach my teams on going in, or do I have to just get lucky and draw some rude-ass i130 DPSers? A video I watched suggested PF'ing with 5 DPS and that seems like the surefire way to go. Off tank seems valueless in that fight.
 

Valor

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Any tips for this? Seems like Odin has way too much HP for the DPS check. I've tried this trial a couple times now both as Dragoon and Paladin and have only come close (down to about 5% HP during the Zanwhatever attack at the end, after LB3 used). Are there some common mistakes that DF gangs might be making that I could coach my teams on going in, or do I have to just get lucky and draw some rude-ass i130 DPSers? A video I watched suggested PF'ing with 5 DPS and that seems like the surefire way to go. Off tank seems valueless in that fight.

DPS just need to stop hitting random buttons and start learning their classes. That's not a fight that you can scrape by with 200 dps. Especially if you have more than one person doing it. The extra dps slot will (hopefully) make up for the general trash floating around df.
 

LiQuid!

I proudly and openly admit to wishing death upon the mothers of people I don't like
DPS just need to stop hitting random buttons and start learning their classes. That's not a fight that you can scrape by with 200 dps. Especially if you have more than one person doing it. The extra dps slot will (hopefully) make up for the general trash floating around df.

I guess I could get a parser and start calling out stragglers, but I don't think that'd be productive. I've got my dragoon rotation down about as well as I think I can get it and the time we got closest was when I was DPS'ing. We didn't even get him to 30% when I queued paladin with a bard/blm/smn/nin DPS'ing, even when they all survived the entire fight. I guess I will try to make a party from my linkshells and PF later and see if I can get it done.

This is the first time playing this game where I've started to question the sufficiency of my gear. I'm all 120+ on the left side, but all my accessories are still i100 weathered junk (I have the worst luck with sand/oil rolls in ST). My next month of poetics is going to get my right side to 130
 

Sorian

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DPS just need to stop hitting random buttons and start learning their classes. That's not a fight that you can scrape by with 200 dps. Especially if you have more than one person doing it. The extra dps slot will (hopefully) make up for the general trash floating around df.

My rotation is blizz 1 over and over again and I still take hate from tanks. What do?

I guess I could get a parser and start calling out stragglers, but I don't think that'd be productive. I've got my dragoon rotation down about as well as I think I can get it and the time we got closest was when I was DPS'ing. We didn't even get him to 30% when I queued paladin with a bard/blm/smn/nin DPS'ing, even when they all survived the entire fight. I guess I will try to make a party from my linkshells and PF later and see if I can get it done.

This is the first time playing this game where I've started to question the sufficiency of my gear. I'm all 120+ on the left side, but all my accessories are still i100 weathered junk (I have the worst luck with sand/oil rolls in ST). My next month of poetics is going to get my right side to 130

Your ban will be quick and hilarious.
 
Ban from FF14? Is that something that actually happens? That'd be pretty funny.

You will get banned if you harass people about their DPS and they report you. Using a parser is technically against ToS, and being an asshole to random people won't endear you to the GMs.

No one cares if you parse yourself, or if you discuss your DPS numbers with your friends or Coil static or something. Hell, there are Youtube videos of Coil clears with the parser's DPS meter overlay clearly showing. No fucks are given by Squenix. Where you cross the line is when you start being a douchebag to randoms, and that's when the GMs drop the banhammer.
 
Ban from FF14? Is that something that actually happens? That'd be pretty funny.

Yes it happens if you get reported for using 3rd party programs, which parsers are. Parsers are tacitely accepted, as long as you keep it to yourself. You can use them to see your own DPS, or to see your team's and mock them on a linkshell or FC chat, but using them in party chat to tell people they suck, regardless of how true it is, is basically harassment AND telling random people you're breaking the ToS by having a 3rd party program installed. You definitely don't want to do that(or maybe you do, I guess that depends).
 
So this awesome moment happened in a Shiva EX run

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CLBridges

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Wish there was a way for me to have a personal parser on my PS4, would like to see my stats and possibly work on improving. Maybe SE will introduce such a tool in the future.
 

LiQuid!

I proudly and openly admit to wishing death upon the mothers of people I don't like
I have never used a parser, but I admit it would be interesting to see how I was doing compared to the other DPS I got DF'd with. I don't really even care but I always feel like I have the hardest time passing the DPS check in Amdapor HM when I have a BLM or summoner in the group opposed to me + another melee DPS. Would be fun to see but not enough to mess around with ToS junk.
 
I have never used a parser, but I admit it would be interesting to see how I was doing compared to the other DPS I got DF'd with. I don't really even care but I always feel like I have the hardest time passing the DPS check in Amdapor HM when I have a BLM or summoner in the group opposed to me + another melee DPS. Would be fun to see but not enough to mess around with ToS junk.

The fact that you care or are thinking about it means you are probably better than 85% of people at your gear level.

Most people just don't care. When you delve to deep into numbers, remind yourself that the stress of min maxing in this game isn't worth it.
 
Man did the Leviathan fight and I feel like I learned absolutely nothing about the fight cause the party I was with absolutely annihilated it.

Looking forward to unlocking extreme for it.
 
Man did the Leviathan fight and I feel like I learned absolutely nothing about the fight cause the party I was with absolutely annihilated it.

Looking forward to unlocking extreme for it.

After the initial primals, they made every hm completely faceroll. Leviathan already being one of the easiest primal overall makes the hm mode basically a glorified trash mob. The EX is kinda fun, though overall still very easy.
 
Well they're not really HM in the way we're thinking.They're really story mode Primals, that jump straight to EM.

Well they're called hm, because they're 50 and stuff, I'm not really arguing that they're not hard even though they're called hard, that's translation stuff and pointless, they are extremely faceroll though. Maybe you're saying the storymode original primals were too, but only Ifrit really was. Titan has slain many people due to derpderp(I'd say it's Ramuh/Shiva hm difficulty maybe) and Garuda is potentially the hardest of the 3 modes in NM. The fact they're level locked and as such item synced to intended difficulty makes them a lot more challenging than Mog or Leviathan HM for example.

And it's fine really, they're storymode stuff, they shouldn't be too challenging, but I wish they kinda were a bit more challenging still. It's very anticlimatic to watch the Leviathan arc cutscenes and stuff, and then fight it and it's like, the fuck is this, the bosses in AV were like 10times harder, it's basically almost impossible to wipe on Levi HM unless you don't hit the switch in time, which is the really only thing that matters the entire fight.

On the other hand, Chrysallis might be a bit too challenging, for a story mode trial fight. While the first phase mechanics are fairly clear, the temporary phase 2 thing is extremely confusing and it takes a while to get back there. If you're told exactly how you should do it, it's not so bad, but unlike most other storymode stuff, figuring out on your own isn't nearly in the same ballpark, especially since a lot of the elements are basically red herrings which don't really matter.

I do hope they find a better middle ground in the expansion. If they're gonna go like this to be honest, they should just make the story fights solo instances so you don't have to wait a queue, and add some NPCs doing stuff. Hell that'd be probably more fun than doing your story later than the first 3days and having someone tell you exactly everything that's going to happen then yell at you if you don't do it right and/or quit forcing you to wait more or worse(if you're a DPS), requeue.
 

Frumix

Suffering From Success
Mechanics should absolutely be imposed on people by now.
Otherwise player roll through the story like nobody's business and then queue for T5.
Or for Ultros, actually, so many Ultros wipes.
 

Kenai

Member
It's a natural progression of people outgearing the fight and being queued with you for DF. HM is just off because it's after the original main story and making NM, HM and EX versions would have been redundant for 50 only content. They want their daily points and you want your clear. The challenge is in the Extremes (and you can get carried there too cause again, outgearing).

Solo instancing for everything story is not gonna happen because of logistical reasons (see how laggy it came be during primetime raid nights), and making it too hard means a repeat of the original Titan HM days which in a nutshell SE is probably very cautious about doing again since so many people were held up on it for so long. Not really voting for or against just telling you how it is and how they see it. That they they probably want you to at least pretend to do group content, even if it is just saying hi than derping/carrying away.

SE is deciding what they want to do as they go along, like with 2 Coil difficulties and apparently making the outside world more dangerous in Heavensward. They have already said they think the "mid range" content is kinda lacking so we will see how they fix it in a few months I guess.
 
I think we're always gonna have this problem of not having any kinda middle ground content. I am sure they will try but have a feeling their attempts will be lacking.
 

iammeiam

Member

I've got this whole spiel on what I think works and doesn't work in the current relic setup, but given that it's almost 5 AM and I just spent 20+ straight hours beating my head against 8 dungeons until atma fell out, culminating in running Lost City twice with a tank rocking a Blunt Aeolian Scimitar before flipping out and taking steps to ensure I wouldn't end up with him a third time, I will spare you all.

DON'T DO RELIC, KIDS. JUST SAY NO.
 

Valor

Member
And it's fine really, they're storymode stuff, they shouldn't be too challenging, but I wish they kinda were a bit more challenging still. It's very anticlimatic to watch the Leviathan arc cutscenes and stuff, and then fight it and it's like, the fuck is this

On the other hand, Chrysallis might be a bit too challenging, for a story mode trial fight.

I do hope they find a better middle ground in the expansion. If they're gonna go like this to be honest, they should just make the story fights solo instances so you don't have to wait a queue, and add some NPCs doing stuff.
I agree that Levi/Ramuh/Shiva are pretty faceroll in story content. They introduce a couple of mechanics that do come back in their EX counterparts, but this is content that is made to be cleared. It isn't going to be super challenging. I think they actually made positive strides with the Chrysalis encounter. There aren't too many mechanics, but it isn't faceroll either. It was actually kind of fun going in there with 8 people figuring out the mechanics for the first time.

Not as much fun dealing with DF for my alt. Still, we were able to get through it, and I still felt that sense of accomplishment. They should have more fights like that.

Mechanics should absolutely be imposed on people by now.
Otherwise player roll through the story like nobody's business and then queue for T5.
Or for Ultros, actually, so many Ultros wipes.
I agree with this. They need to not be afraid to up the ante a little bit in the story mode versions of fights to prepare people for harder content. There are too many people that just ignore mechanics etc etc and then turn around and say I'm ready for Final Coil because they see it as the next step in progression. It isn't.

It's a natural progression of people outgearing the fight.

SE is deciding what they want to do as they go along, like with 2 Coil difficulties and apparently making the outside world more dangerous in Heavensward. They have already said they think the "mid range" content is kinda lacking so we will see how they fix it in a few months I guess.
Yep. I agree with all of this. I'm looking forward to see what they're going to do next. I thought the first salvo of 2.5 was some of the better content they've put into the game since launch and I'm pretty optimistic about where it's going from here.

DON'T DO RELIC, KIDS. JUST SAY NO.
I remember way back when I got my zodiac...
 
After the initial primals, they made every hm completely faceroll. Leviathan already being one of the easiest primal overall makes the hm mode basically a glorified trash mob. The EX is kinda fun, though overall still very easy.
Ahh alright. I left early last year just before they did all that but had gotten done with HMs already and was expecting another hard fight. I remember the days of people selling Titan HM clears for absurd amounts of money and people actually paying too because it was such a massive roadblock for lots of people.
 
On the other hand, Chrysallis might be a bit too challenging, for a story mode trial fight. While the first phase mechanics are fairly clear, the temporary phase 2 thing is extremely confusing and it takes a while to get back there. If you're told exactly how you should do it, it's not so bad, but unlike most other storymode stuff, figuring out on your own isn't nearly in the same ballpark, especially since a lot of the elements are basically red herrings which don't really matter.

I thought Chrysallis was nigh on perfect for a story mode trial. I went in completely blind on patch day with a full GAF group and it was immense fun. We wiped maybe three times before figuring out all the mechanics? It wasn't especially hard to execute, but it took a bit of outside the box thinking to get past. I think it was a really god way to do a story trial. Put the burden on people's ability to think outside the box/have a brain and not necessarily on how much DPS they can put out.

I thought it was a far better designed fight than Odin for example, which is just a "can you heal and do damage remotely competently" type of fight which is super boring.

I would love to see more trials on the level of Chrysallis in the story going forward. I don't think it was too hard at all.
 

Akainu

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Haven't been keeping up with this since the beta. Apparently their are rogue/ninjas and dragon people (soon). Is the ninja class nice?
 
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