I feel the opposite. In XIII I barely feel in control of anything, while FFXV gives me tons of freedom.
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Final Fantasy XV |OT2| For Jared!
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I feel the opposite. In XIII I barely feel in control of anything, while FFXV gives me tons of freedom.
I thought I was bugged too and then read about it online and just played for a few days til I got the call to pick my weapon up.
Hopefully the same is happening to you because the other option sucks.
I hope so. :\
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Well at the very least the camera in XIII wasnt an idiot during battles unlike this game.
The crazy camera would have been a much smaller problem if the lock-on system wasn't completely broken. Like, who's dumbass idea was it to have you lose lock-on the instant you kill one enemy in a mob of ten enemies, forcing you to lock-on again (but since lock-on is the same button as the map, you accidentally open the map ten percent of the time)?
Because you had no control over it.
In XV I can position myself anywhere I want in the battlefield, warp to multiple points and enemies, blindside such enemies, parry, evade, air-step and perform aerial combat, aim my magic attacks if I so desire, pull combos by switching to distinct kinds of weapons, issue direct commands to my partners, call my Chocobo to aid me in battle, even while riding it, pull my enemies together, etc.
In XIII I... I can switch Paradigms.
Never had any problems with the camera outside of the occasional bush or boulder.
The lock on button is the same as the map button? I never opened the map by mistake.
And the idea that you have to hold the lock on button is just silly. Click it once, leave it locked on 'til you change it or the enemy dies.
The lock on button is the same as the map button? I never opened the map by mistake.
And the idea that you have to hold the lock on button is just silly. Click it once, leave it locked on 'til you change it or the enemy dies.
Camera only goes crazy with huge bosses and in small spaces. Other than that it is fine.
They should have had it set to automatically switch lock-on to the next closest enemy, once the enemy you're locked on to is killed (like Kingdom Hearts).
Small spaces and huge bosses being the majority of the dungeons.
Ended up beating the main story yesterday after 41 hours played. I'm going to keep it installed and go back and do side stuff here and there. I am conflicted on the combat as I never felt like I was good at it, but I never wiped, either ( you can just item your way out of trouble). Story was definitely a mess in delivery and presentation. Wasn't a fan of how magic was handled in the game and it became a pain to craft it such that I usually didn't bother too much with it. Didn't really have much of a problem with Chapter 13 other than what had to do with story.
FeenixRising
Banned
Did anyone else restart the game all over Post patch?
I did... I was at the beginning of Chapter 13 when I decided I didn't want tot go any further. I seen people get to Chapter 13 at like level 50+ and I was a 32 by the time I got there. So I started the game over and decided to start doing as many side quests as possible before advancing the story.
I did... I was at the beginning of Chapter 13 when I decided I didn't want tot go any further. I seen people get to Chapter 13 at like level 50+ and I was a 32 by the time I got there. So I started the game over and decided to start doing as many side quests as possible before advancing the story.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
It's kinda funny to see that you seem to downplay the huge effect of the camera's idiocy on FFXV's battle system. I mean yes all those things are all well and good but you still can't see shit 90% of the time so stuff like evasion or parries is just a matter of holding Square, for example. Especially since the game so dearly love throw multiple enemies in enclosed spaces, or even a large boss sized enemies, or even, like Costlemark, multiple giant sized enemies at the same time just for shit and giggles--I would love to see anyone actually do these battles with 'finesse' while the camera practically gave up.
Meh, the camera really soured me on the battle system. Still, I've platinumed this game, lol.
I'm downplaying the camera's idiocy? And then you proceed with the hyperbole of "you can't see anything 90% of the time"?
The game would be completely unplayable if you couldn't see anything 90% of the time.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Well that what it feels like to me, most of the time it feels like I'm fighting the camera more than I'm fighting the enemies.
Not sure what do you want me to say, do you want me to sing unending praise to it before you are satisfied or something?
Of course not. Do you want me to say the game is unplayable before you are?
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
LOL, I've platinumed the game, dude. I didn't say the game is unplayable, I said the camera during battles in this game is horseshit.
Let's just agree to disagree. In my opinion, the camera in FFXV during battles are mostly shit so that drags it down way below many FFs that I've played in terms of battle system.
There, I put 'in my opinion'. Better?
Thank god I was overleveled for everything I attempted. Otherwise, I probably would have smashed my controller into the floor during some of those combat encounters.
BuckRobotron
Member
There have been plenty of us out there who always liked FFXIII.
Anyway, about 5 hours in with FFXV and enjoying poking around the world for now but combat is underwhelming. Early yet, though.
I can also see how those who haven't seen Kingsglaive (which was better than expected, Nyx kicked tail) might be wondering just what the hell is going on or what the deal is with various characters.
Thanks!
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Yeah no kidding, hahaha.
Whoever thought putting four giant enemies plus multiple critters at the same time like that as 'fun' need a stinky sock thrown to his face.
And to add to your post above, the lock on doesn't just disappear when you kill an enemy too. It disappears if you parry, it disappears if the enemy moves too fast.... Urghh.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
welp?
Raven117
Member
Ha, just ran through it. Has the patch hit? (I cant remember). I think so...because early reports said that you really did have to hide a lot...
It is jarring to say the least. FF at first just kinda idly goes by (Chapters 1-8)...then chapter 9, 10, 11, 12 and thinking finally...Alright! Things are moving! Then...Wombo-whambo...Game slows to a crawl.
Its kinda bizarre.
Yeah, had that glitch happen to me TWICE, both times in the same dungeon.
Far from the game itself being uplayable, though.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
I purposefully let the adamantoise trophy as my last trophy to unlock since I thought it would unlock during his actual death animation and as such it would make a nice screenshot for my World Wanderer trophy.
Turned out the trophy only pops out only after you complete the hunt at a tipster so as such my World Wanderer trophy is a picture of Hammerhead Diner, FML.
Turned out the trophy only pops out only after you complete the hunt at a tipster so as such my World Wanderer trophy is a picture of Hammerhead Diner, FML.
Are they serious with these corridors & "hiding" bullshit? OMG this is terrible LMAO, I hate this already & I just started. This goes on for like 3 hours???
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
No need to bother yourself with all the hiding crap, just kill whatever gets in your way. Except the Iron Giant enemy since it respawn immediately even if you kill it (annoying), just run outside his range if it notices you.
It's not bad at all. Just don't hide and kill all the stuff. It was pretty easy.
WrenchNinja
Member
How do you kill the axemen with the ring?
It annoyed me from a gameplay perspective, but it's an atmospheric and awesome chapter looking back now.
Enjoy
LordKasual
Banned
I think after you get the skill that lets you just-dodge (he glows blue when you press dodge) then yeah, you can cancel attack animations to parry. That's one of the first skills you should get.
I rarely ever get high scores in Finesse. I've completed fights without getting touched and still didn't get a score on it.
XIII's battle system is only good to me if you judge it on its own merits and ignore every FF battle system before it. Because once you do that, it's obvious how much of a neutered downgrade it was. It managed to make its fights engaging, but from a critical viewpoint, there's just so much wrong with their design decisions.
Almost 90% of the difficulty in XIII was completely and totally artificial. FF games are never difficult games, but i've never had an FF game make me feel so cheated before. Just about the only thing worse than those dumbass XIII bosses that cast Doom on you is getting Malboro ambushed and insta-killed in the previous FFs. (Especially 10 since poison was stupid ridiculous on that game).
Death will insta-kill them. It doesn't matter if you stop, you can go back and pick up where you left off. They regenerate their vitality slowly.
Holy (hold dodge) does decent damage, but most importantly it restores MP.
Alterna (hold warp command at max MP) instakilled just about everything in the room anytime i used it, but people here have reported that sometimes it misses. Noctis has super armor during the animation so just do it and watch everything die.
Holy (hold dodge) does decent damage, but most importantly it restores MP.
Alterna (hold warp command at max MP) instakilled just about everything in the room anytime i used it, but people here have reported that sometimes it misses. Noctis has super armor during the animation so just do it and watch everything die.
If you have any Ethers (you should have a shitton by this point in the game, they're worthless unless there are no warp points) then Chapter 13 should be a cakewalk. People who complained about hiding just gave themselves a crazy unnecessary hassle.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Just keep holding the death spell, it takes anwhile but he will die.
Dodging activates Holy which will hurt them or you can use death.
Just keep dodging, its pretty easy. To be honest I didn't even think hiding was viable because they kept finding me. So in the end I just killed them all and trucked through
I think the only enemy I hid from was the iron giant
This was me last night. I ended up in the red giant room 4 goddamn times. The thing is, I know what you're supposed to do to get through that sliding door puzzle. The game just wouldn't let me do it. I would only have one option to pick until the last time I attempted it and it finally offered me a choice between doors. Super frustrating.
Dodge and slowly wear them down with death. Or if you're in a big area group them all up and use Ultima. I would run and group a lot and that sped things up quite a bit.
LordKasual
Banned
Yes, same way I fixed every issue. Just close / restart the game.
Dodging is definitely the way to go. I think that's why I felt the hate for the chapter was overblown, but not unwarranted, was still bad.
I ended up killing the Giant, only for it to respawn... What's even more stupid about the Giant area is that the objective is over 2 waist high guard rails. That you can't jump over like the road side guard rails in the open world.
AzureSkies
Member
I had the latter bug you were talking about through rest mode on my regular PS4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU40PyBSF1U
They could cut out a floor or two of 13 and it would be fine. Also de-emphasizing the "hiding" since it only really serves to restore MP. Instead they could teach you how to use the ring better/make it more effective.
I guess my bigger issue with the chapter is where it takes place and how that was realized.
I guess my bigger issue with the chapter is where it takes place and how that was realized.
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