Pinko Marx
Banned
Camila has the lunge ability which allows her to attack from a range and then take the spot of the unit she killed. AFAIK.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Fire Emblem Fates |OT| Nohr does what Hoshidon't
- Thread starter Shun
- Start date
Oboro, Hinata, Hinoka and Hana are actually in my main group. I like Orochi too, but I don't know if is better uses Hayato.
BuckRobotron
Member
Azama has been one of my most reliable units, starts healer but is also a capable fighter. I get a laugh out of his oddball arrogance in supports but many seem not to like him.
Invaluable Units: Corrin, Ryoma, Azura, Felicia/Jakob*, Hinoka, Crimson, Reina, Kaze, Saizou
Good Units: Takumi, Silas, Hana, Tsubaki, Oboro, Kaden, Sakura, Hinata, Kagerou, Orochi
Decent Units: Mozu, Setsuna, Azama, Hayato, Rinkah
Pair Up Units: Rinkah, Kagerou, Silas, Hana/Hinata, Setsuna
Child Units: (All of the child units)
Invaluable units are either immediately strong (Ryoma, Crimson, Reina) or have high availability and are useful throughout the game (the rest)
Good units are... good units that are mostly self-sufficient. Some of them will need a few resources to be maintained (Seraph Robe and constant HP tonics for Hana, Speed Wings for Takumi, etc)
Decent units can pull their weight, but they need a moderate amount resources to be good. You need to feed Mozu/Hayato kills, and Rinkah, Azama/Setsuna need special treatment, etc
Child units (typically) come later in the game, and the majority of them are outdone by 1st gen units (they're definitely not as godlike like in Awakening), but they're pretty good units, especially if you wait until they come with the offspring seal.
*Jakob has less utility in the mid/lategame due to fact he can't keep up offensively. Felicia can still dish out good damage with the Flame Shuriken.
EDIT: Talked it over with someone and came to conclusion that Hayato and Rinkah are at least on par with Mozu.
Hana is a murder machine in my playthough of Birthright. Obviously most of the Royals end up being pretty great as well. Though some *cough* Hinoka *cough* really have horrible stats.
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
I'd put Kaze and maybe Saizo in the invaluable category. Both require virtually no investment, start off great and other than Ryoma and Bolt Naginata Hinoka are the best 1-2 range options in a game where the most common objective is rout.
Good list otherwise though.
Good list otherwise though.
If you're referring to the situation in Ch.12, you should be way out of range of those reinforcements by the time you're near the boss.
DecoReturns
Member
Saizo and Felicia are my Favorite characters in Fates.
Both are funny, good designs, great supports ,and actually useful.
Although I hate to admit that I hate Corrin. As much I didn't care for Robin/Chrom/Lucina, I don't hate them and can't believe we got a worst lord after those guys
Both are funny, good designs, great supports ,and actually useful.
Although I hate to admit that I hate Corrin. As much I didn't care for Robin/Chrom/Lucina, I don't hate them and can't believe we got a worst lord after those guys
Ah, good point. I was concerned about Kaze's strength in the lategame, but debuffs are legit and Ninja's are generally pretty ridiculous in this game. The 2 of them even have natural access to Replicate.
My Arthur and Odin are completely unusuable. Odin got benched quickly and Arthur is a stat-wagon for Effie.
Oh gameplay wise half of these suck. I made Odin a Dark Flier (he actually got really good speed out of it, but his Mag growth still sucked).
Ophelia more than makes up for him though.
As for PK's rating guide, you probably want to add another category for pair up bots. Kagero's decent, but she's the best pair up bot Hoshido side.
dakkumauji
Member
robotzombie
Member
Awesome! Thanks for all the in depth answers guys
I realize that mages aren't looked on as favorably because of the introduction of Ninjas, but my Hayato turned out pretty nutty without really needing that much babying, and I still found magic to be useful for dealing with certain enemies.
Gotcha. Would something like:
Pair Up Units: Rinkah, Kagerou, Hana/Hinata(if either of them get RNG screwed), Silas, Setsuna
work?
Hayato has value when trained up (and is actually good on Revelations), but he joins at level 1 on Birthright, meaning he needs significant favoritism (and luck) if he wants to catch up. Mages are actually pretty good on Birthright towards the end due to ludicrous amount of Great Knights/Generals you have to fight.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
Ophelia was a staple in my conquest army, and I was running Kana as a mage (She was somehow getting good magic skillups even though her father was strong/dull. Ophelia was her mother though so I guess she just balanced her out well enough)
I'm referring to reinforcements in 9 and 13. The ones in 12 are turn-based, the good kind of reinforcements.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I wish the turn based reinforcements had warnings anyway. It still feels annoying when reinforcements just pop up and your next turn has to be dedicated to repositioning for it. The worst is when they can move in the same turn (I believe fire emblem has done that before)
Valkyria Chronicles is my favorite strategy game, and one thing I like is you always have extra warning for reinforcements. Someone over comms telling you reinforcements are coming from whatever direction. I think fire emblem should do something like that
They are kind of useless and Odin needs his S support to even be useful (he has more strength as a dark mage than magic) but I like a challenge
Going by supports my favorites have been Odin, Niles, Felicia, Dwyer and can't really think of a fifth one, Arthur comes close, but he overplays the justice bit a lot. Percy is adorable, but haven't used him at all, so can't say.
Props to the various supports suggesting that Odin is striking his artwork pose most of the time, or the Niles and Felicia C support, I just imagined Niles going
lol
Also the Niles and Odin support are a bit reminiscent of the Bastian x Volke supports from PoR, they kind of seem to play off similarly.
I've seen older FEs do this, but it really seems up to if they feel like making a boss say something to themselves about reinforcements.
DecoReturns
Member
Same turn reinforcement don't happen in Fates. It did in Awakening tho
FE has had warnings about reinforcements, but it makes the game easy in my opinion, I like the surprise attack, but thats just me
Yeah, When you get Tharja in Awakening or Cordelia, they mention reinforcements coming
Wait, what do you mean by turn based? I don't remember non-turn based reinforcements in Chapter 9.
The spear guys and archers that pop up near the boss only spawn when you step within a set of tiles, incidentally the ones you need to step on to get to him. They aren't tied to a certain turn.
Triforce141
Member
How would a skill set for Ophelia like this be?
Vantage
Vengance
Death Blow
Gamble
Awakening
Just crit everything.
Those are hackers who put the skills onto Corrin, the only "normal" way to get it for him is to buy the skill from them.
Vantage
Vengance
Death Blow
Gamble
Awakening
Just crit everything.
Those are hackers who put the skills onto Corrin, the only "normal" way to get it for him is to buy the skill from them.
I have no shame/regret in buying them for my Conquest army.
DecoReturns
Member
DecoReturns
Member
It's not worth it anyways, stats are not hard to reach their limit in this game. And the skill got nerfed, for good reason tho
He's a perfectly valid option for your first Heart Seal (samurai), but if you've already put some levels into him as a mage it might be better to ride him out to Dark Knight.
Maybe not, but it'd be nice to have a little protection from bad rng. Moot point either way I suppose.
But man I really would've loved to use it legitimately D;
I don't really remember this, that's the one with the houses in the ice village, right?
She only does stuff if units are within her range.
I've not found her particularly useful.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
What's Lilith's max stats btw? Specifically, max HP?
Also do you gain experience from fighting Amiibos?
Also do you gain experience from fighting Amiibos?
Thanks. I thought the Awakening DLC was really lacking, I certainly don't need to ADD characters to a full roster i'm not even using anyways. I do in fact love grinding though and working on characters growth and skills, something i really missed from the run and gun approach to Conquest. I'm just starting Birthright and if i'm going to get the DLC I would rather get it now and work it into my playthrough then after.
Does she attack even? Seems lame. I was feeding her for the gold bar rewards but I don't think I care about gold anymore now that all the people I care about have Master Sealed.
The Awesomest
Member
Funny, I'm at 17 in Birthright Hard and I've had the total opposite experience. The story chapters provide a decent challenge, but the paralogues are a breeze.
There's a rather large variance in difficulty between the paralogues. Some of them are very simple while others are difficult and complicated.
Ophelia is so much better than him as a mage it's a little silly.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Finally beat Conquest (on hard, too!!!)
Story picked up again near the end. I liked it.
Check out my spoiler thread for both games (Not Revelations)
Story picked up again near the end. I liked it.
Queen Hinoka is honestly a cooler idea than King Ryoma
Check out my spoiler thread for both games (Not Revelations)
I can't see how anyone could have fun with this game with perma death. Seriously. Some of these later story missions are ridiculous. Someone's gonna have to die. I've pretty much come to terms with this. I could only imagine how this game would be if casual wasn't an option.
Astral Dog
Member
I thought Corrin was "ok" in Birthright, but i cant stand her/him on Conquest, jesus. its like she cant stop complaining she works for the devil.
Astral Dog
Member
If i got it right, the paralogues grind with you, thats what they told me after many tries and why i stopped doing them. :U
I've heard Shiro's is one of the harder ones and that was the one I was referring to :x
I did just beat it though, not without some casualties, but I'm on casual anyway haha. Required some precise placement using Rescue.
The fun comes from the challenge it takes to be able to clear seemingly impossible chapters without anyone dying.
Sure its gonna take multiple restarts but that satisfaction of seeing that chapter clear with everyone alive is great.
Maybe I'm getting the chapter number wrong; the one in Fort Dragonfall. Is that 8?