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Football Thread 2017/18 |OT| Relegated to Community
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alexthekid
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It seems like Östersund is gonna make it to Europe...
Dutch Gronk
Banned
Just realized Dembele is gonna be the world's second most expensive player if he does move to Barca.
We're practically a Europa League team.
Audioboxer
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Ibrahimovic's full interview with ESPN about resigning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmw-t-h-l8c
Dude just wants that EPL medal. Better hope Mourinho can out-fraud the rest this season. I'm sure Zlatan will get paid nicely even for a duff season at United, but he genuinely wants that medal.
His CL medal hopes are buried, so he'll need to be happy with a Europa League medal. Maybe should have signed for Arsenal on a free this season to get that 100% guaranteed 2nd Europa League medal. Could be his biggest mistake signing for United. I would have gone with Arsenal. Wenger is going to tear the world apart in these final 2 seasons. Trophies everywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmw-t-h-l8c
Dude just wants that EPL medal. Better hope Mourinho can out-fraud the rest this season. I'm sure Zlatan will get paid nicely even for a duff season at United, but he genuinely wants that medal.
His CL medal hopes are buried, so he'll need to be happy with a Europa League medal. Maybe should have signed for Arsenal on a free this season to get that 100% guaranteed 2nd Europa League medal. Could be his biggest mistake signing for United. I would have gone with Arsenal. Wenger is going to tear the world apart in these final 2 seasons. Trophies everywhere.
MikeBison
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Rules have gone out the window. Neymar most expensive. This kid the second most expensive. Then Mbappe will likely leapfrog him.
The real winners are United who get to hide a little from the fact that they spent £89 million on Paul fucking Pogba. The fraud. Can't be having him is the most expensive player of all time.
Audioboxer
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2nd ava quote today.
Pogba wasn't worth 89m when he moved, but he's one of the rawest talents in flamboyant midfielders. Give him one more season with Matic in a side and he'll be someone Real Madrid will be wanting to sign for around £100m. He's 24, by 26 he'll be one of the best in the world in central midfield. Not as a fucking holding midfielder, but box to box.
whatsinaname
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Barca v Juve matchday 1?
Kill Your Masters
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You mean United got him on a bargain. Not even 12 months later hyperinflation kicked in.
whatsinaname
Member
Full list.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Also PSG-Bayern on day 2
Audioboxer
Member
70~75m should have been tops for Pogba if you ask me. Making him the most expensive player in the world at that time was a mistake. The good thing is the world has gone crazy and now Pogba can stop being the focus of all the criticism that is 200% worse when you're the most expensive. He had a poor first season due to being played incorrectly and having that price tag.
Now there are no excuses, Matic is here to be the holding midfielder and the most expensive tag is gone. I expect a good season this year, with development, furthering the aim to be one of the best if not the best in the world by 26~27 in his position.
If United cannot hold onto Pogba in a few years they will at least make a decent profit.
His Majesty
Banned
Seems like Belgium is competing with the Dutch to gather as few coefficient points as possible. Not sure who is winning at the moment.
whatsinaname
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Tottenham have a nice sequence of games...
Oct 17 - Real Madrid vs Spurs
Oct 22 - Spurs v Liverpool
Oct 28 - Man Utd v Spurs
Nov 01 - Spurs vs Real Madrid
Oct 17 - Real Madrid vs Spurs
Oct 22 - Spurs v Liverpool
Oct 28 - Man Utd v Spurs
Nov 01 - Spurs vs Real Madrid
Audioboxer
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Expect red cards, career threatening tackles and complete implosion. Spurs.
BMO = GOAT
Member
September 27 and December 5 Bayern v PSG. Cannot wait! 😎
Do u even Scottish football?
English football quality is fucking terrible. Scottish football is like 11 of us were randomly picked from this topic to form a team.
I could be y'alls dynamic winger with poor pace and no left foot.
MikeBison
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2nd ava quote today.
Pogba wasn't worth 89m when he moved, but he's one of the rawest talents in flamboyant midfielders. Give him one more season with Matic in a side and he'll be someone Real Madrid will be wanting to sign for around £100m. He's 24, by 26 he'll be one of the best in the world in central midfield. Not as a fucking holding midfielder, but box to box.
But what does he really do? Is it lots of goals? No. lots of assists? No. well then he's a destroyer who breaks up play? No, he can't tackle. For anywhere near the fees he went for, Man needs to do more than spray a few cross field passes around.
YouTube player. He started last season ok as well. Couple of goals and assists and totally dried up. Feel free to do the avatar quote and come back in two years as he would fade into obscurity if not for his obsession with being in the spotlight for anything other than his footballing ability.
can't see arsenal, someone let the site owner know
In fairness, they're just as likely to win it this year as they are any.
Kill Your Masters
Member
He had a first poor season for a 84m player for sure but not all was bad. He can show of some decent stats considering our goal tally and general offensive play was an absolute disgrace.
Audioboxer
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You're right, Man Utd should really just cut their losses and sell him to Newcastle for 7.5m tbh. He might give Jonjo Shelvey a run for his place.
Good guy Hummels btw ~ http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40958871
MikeBison
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Just shouldn't have bought him in the first place. Seemed more like a marketing deal for adidas than anything else. The way he was announced was shambolic. Stormzy rapping and stupid hashtags and emoji sets? How about just a picture of him signing.
Audioboxer
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I can agree to the marketing garbage, but not sign at all? Pretty certain Pogba is better than Fellaini, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Rooney (last few seasons form) and Herrera (as an attacking player). Herrera is a slightly more attacking focused Carrick, but still more about ball-winning/hold up play than attacking. Matic is an out and out Carrick replacement. Pogba has pace, can dribble, is strong as fuck, can pass a ball even if he's still a bit rough here, and he can finish/score from range, but again finishing needs improvement. There is potential and ability, it just needs to be worked on.
Man Utd have been stuffed with holding midfielders or defensive midfielders for years. We needed a flamboyant attacking central midfielder with potential at a youngish age. I said Pogba was expensive, but to suggest not sign at all means you're going to have to give me the answer to who they should have signed instead? The wrong answer is no one, because as I just said our central midfield has been fucking terrible for years when it comes to attacking quality.
Like it or not even in an average first season Pogba still helped the club to a Europa League trophy. While not that prestigious it put the club back into the CL and the other EPL clubs would hardly turn their noses up at winning the Europa League. Considering no Premier League club is winning the CL.
edit: IIRC Pogba hit the woodwork like 8 or 9 times last season. A little bit more precision, focus and luck and a central midfielder getting into double figures for goals is good. As I said he needs to work on finishing, but hopefully this season Matic allows him to be more attacking. Already 2 goals in 2 games.
Spurs would probably feel more at home in Cardiff than Wembley to be fair.
MikeBison
Member
The merchandising argument. When you can't argue a players value on the pitch.
His Majesty
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Exit Gent, exit Oostende, exit Bruges. God, all our teams are unbelievably shit this year. Anderlecht is likely to exit with 0/18 and then Zulte Waregem is the only team who is likely to scrabble some points together.
WhateverItTakes
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We've lucked out in getting the Russia away game in September. Dunno how many of our players could handle a Russian December.
There is no merchandising argument, nor one that involves he's value on the pitch, they're both evident on there own. If we're discussing Pogba's value for money while taking into account the price inflation in football across the board then there is no argument here at all. Pogba is absolute value for money. If you want to discuss if any player is worth £89m then that's a separate topic.
I'm no united fan.
Fuck going there as a supporter
MikeBison
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Played within 24 hours of United also being in Moscow. Clever bunch, UEFA.
Audioboxer
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I mean, you're not wrong calling it cringey/pathetic/sad/etc, but you're wrong if you want to start attacking the actual finances that come from player marketing
Source: http://www.totalsportek.com/football/clubs-with-most-shirt-sales/
Source: http://www.cityam.com/251501/adidas-stand-profit-manchester-uniteds-paul-pogba-tops
Ronaldo and Messi get whored out just as much as any other "big player" does. Financially Pogba does pull his weight which is why the club whores him out across social media and with marketing.
But yeah, no one really gives a shit about what Pogbas new haircut is, unless you're a 12 year old Man Utd fan.
MikeBison
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No, I'd want to argue his value for money on the pitch when signed a year ago. Fuck it, lets even say during this mad window. Spend £90m on a player, he should deliver. But again, no united fan can tell me what makes him one of the most valuable players in the history of the game. It ain't goals. It ain't assists. It ain't tackling or breaking up play. It's apparently a few diagonal sprays. However you cut it, pay that much for a player and they should deliver almost instantly.
His Majesty
Banned
Don't clubs only get like 10% of shirt sales?
MikeBison
Member
I mean, you're not wrong calling it cringey/pathetic/sad/etc, but you're wrong if you want to start attacking the actual finances that come from player marketing
http://www.totalsportek.com/football/clubs-with-most-shirt-sales/
Source: http://www.cityam.com/251501/adidas-stand-profit-manchester-uniteds-paul-pogba-tops
Ronaldo and Messi get whored out just as much as any other big player would be.
My point is, I fully couldn't give a shit. I'd rather a player delivered on the pitch than sold shirts if he signed for my club. One usually follows the other. I also remember waiting until a player delivered before getting their name on a shirt (not that I've ever done it, it's also cringeworthy, but I get it)
Oh and messi and Ronaldo have proved to be arguably (!) the 2 best players in the history of the game. So, whore away. Pogba has stupid haircuts going for him.
Audioboxer
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Well, what United mainly got was a 750m marketing deal with Adidas. So, part of what goes on to securing such a deal is something like Adidas shirts/merchandising making bank from the fans.
It's all linked as to why merchandising is such a powerhouse part of club finances.
Okay, but he's had one season at United. Let's see what happens this year. Sounds like you've got a bit of irrational Pogba hate in you, and that's coming from a United fan who'll slam all the cringey marketing and criticise Pogba on the park no problem. It's just objectively looking at him anyone with a pair of eyes should see there is ability, and there is lots of potential. In a United side starved of central midfield attacking quality for years too it does feel good to have someone like Pogba in the current lineup.
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