Fox Mulder
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Yeah I don't see how this does anything to pull in the mercs. Might as well do a fucking lottery or add sandbags to the previous winner to give teams like force India and Williams a chance at pole.
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Yeah I don't see how this does anything to pull in the mercs. Might as well do a fucking lottery or add sandbags to the previous winner to give teams like force India and Williams a chance at pole.
xrnzaaas
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The strongest will be usually on the front unless we dont want a fair qualifying. The point is to have drivers do more laps. I think it will be more interesting.
None of this qualifying bullshit would even have happened if we had more competition in F1 throughout the grid.
Last year's qualifying system is fine. If the field was closer, you'd have different pole sitters more regularly and different people knocked out in the earlier rounds. And there you go - mixing things up a bit.
But instead, everyone's trying to think of stupid ways to force what they want to happen instead of addressing the fundamental inequality that leads to one team dominating at the front and the smaller indie teams unable to move up the grid without major financial benefactors.
Last year's qualifying system is fine. If the field was closer, you'd have different pole sitters more regularly and different people knocked out in the earlier rounds. And there you go - mixing things up a bit.
But instead, everyone's trying to think of stupid ways to force what they want to happen instead of addressing the fundamental inequality that leads to one team dominating at the front and the smaller indie teams unable to move up the grid without major financial benefactors.
It's just turning the engine down to ensure longevity. Thats why when in races the Mercs need to be fast they can crank it up.
Why run at 100% if you can run at 90% and still win?
There was an interview with Whiting in a Dutch F1 magazine that came out this week where he spoke about this. He said they are looking for things like color coding lap numbers and stuff like that that might be coded messages to the driver. If they notice a pitboard and then see drivers changing set-ups or otherwise changing their driving style that's an indication that foul play might be up.
nature boy
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Man, WEC (and a new WEC thread) cannot come soon enough.
nature boy
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Hate to break it to you, but the negativity is everywhere.
nature boy
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Nah.
Mastah
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Formula 1 teams have united and demanded that the sport returns to the 2015 qualifying format with immediate effect.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-teams-demand-return-to-2015-qualifying-format-685351/
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-teams-demand-return-to-2015-qualifying-format-685351/
Psychotext
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What happens next will tell us exactly where the power is.
brotkasten
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Interesting times.
You know exactly whats going to happen. Bernie will be asinine and talk shit about the team principals. Todt will remain silent and the FIA will introduce their aggregate system next race and that's that.
It wouldn't be that different from the current system where they only run one lap per session :/
Psychotext
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Pretty much what I'm expecting.
GrizzleBoy
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So if you're on a flying lap in aggregate quali and a manor blocks you......can you even abort the lap?
If you run slow to save tyres for the next lap, what happens? Is it added to your overall time?
If you run slow to save tyres for the next lap, what happens? Is it added to your overall time?
Psychotext
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It would be your best two laps, surely?
Uh, that's sounds terrible. If anything, that would make luck even less of a factor.
I think I might be wrong, reading into it, it does aggregate the top two times per session for each session.
The intention from the FIA and Bernie is that there's more running on track so there's more spectacle. Track owners have requested this. So that makes sense.
GrizzleBoy
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From two DIFFERENT sessions?
I don't even what?
Oh well...
Just tell me that they're going to allocate more tyres....because all that's going to happen is that people will run at max pelt for a lap or two and save tyres.....which is the exact problem we have now....so.....more tyres confirmed right?
Each driver should do at least 3 runs. Then from his 3 fastest laps(in case he has done more) one is randomly selected to determine his position. There you go, both luvk and skill are factors.
Given it's officially for being a "Long-standing team", putting a time limit on it would strike me as counter-intuitive. I guess a more logical approach if they are doing that is to divide it evenly (or proportionally?) between multiple long-standing teams after a certain duration threshold - but then things get messy on other fronts as teams get sold and rebranded but may still be functionally the same (does FI count Jordan's era?)
Or they could just not do it at all. Sounds good to me!
Psychotext
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No, I mean completely re-doing the payment structure every few years rather than sticking to a system that lacks flexibility.
Oh. Yes, that's a point.
When did Ferrari first get the bonus, anyway? McLaren are the second-oldest team, and if Ferrari started getting it in 2000 or earlier, McLaren would definitely have an argument to be treated the same way.
Edit: Technically, Merc are second-oldest, but, well, there was a little bit of a gap in there.
Can;t wait for the person with the fastest time by 0.5 seconds to be placed last on the grid because Maldonados replacement shunts them and they can't do a second lap.
Or some tit goes off track with 2 minutes to go, red/yellow flagging the session and so only Manor have set 2 laps and get the front row.
Or some tit goes off track with 2 minutes to go, red/yellow flagging the session and so only Manor have set 2 laps and get the front row.
I believe Ferrari started getting a 4% extra pay-out from the television income in 2003, as there was fear over them leaving F1 once they took their company public. The money was intended to persuade them to remain in F1. This money comes directly from Bernie's slice of the TV income, btw.
That would actually be cool, lol.
Psychotext
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They're all going to do two banker laps right at the start of each session. No question.
That's where the aggregate system actually works, it does definitely force them to go out early.
That's where the aggregate system actually works, it does definitely force them to go out early.
I agree with them in principle, but I'm not sure the aggregate system is all that complicated for the audience.
It won't be because the computer will calculate and display all the data on the screen in real time.
I am honestly not really against this system. There's not much to say against or for it in comparison to the 2015 system, except that it guarantees cars will have to do an extra or an extra run each session, which does mean more running.
Such a clusterfuck, pick something and go with it. If it's the aggregate system then be it but stop changing things in season. If you're worried about confusing the audience maybe stop changing things? Not everyone keeps up with the news between races. The Red Bull domination doesn't look too bad in hindsight. Exhaust blow diffusers are at least technical and on the cars. This is just political bickering.
I was initially in favour of aggregate qualifying but I don't think it will work tbqh, how are you going to be able to tell whether the driver is on a 'faster lap'? Plus the fact that unless they scrap the requirement for you to save tyres for the race we're still going to get people not bothering to go out.
On the plus side this should make more people aware that this is mostly Todt playing politics.
On the plus side this should make more people aware that this is mostly Todt playing politics.
What do you mean by that?
Sainz is in P15 on his second lap chasing the driver in front who's set two laps. When he goes across the timing line for sector 1, what gets displayed? Does it show the aggregate of both of his laps, or just the current one?
Psychotext
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Good point. The three columns you'd need on the left would take up a shitload of screen real estate.
Yep, every car on track desperate to get two in before hell breaks loose, only for all hell to break loose because everyone is on track trying to do two flying laps.
Good.
Lucky we're running in HD at last, eh Bernie?
Back to 2015 Qualifying format. (For now)
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-set-to-revert-to-2015-qualifying-format-685408/
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-set-to-revert-to-2015-qualifying-format-685408/
Psychotext
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Given that's the second time I've heard that said, I'll believe it when I see it on screen.
Couldn't agree more
GrizzleBoy
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