Fox Mulder
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Certainly this guarantees him the 2017 seat regardless.
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Certainly this guarantees him the 2017 seat regardless.
Mind you, Red Bull has access to all the data, so I'm sure they know exactly how Max's pace is compared to the other three drivers. I doubt they expect him to be as fast as Ricciardo from the get-go, but they'll know what to expect from him in the latter half of the season.
And as someone said, they probably signed him to a two year deal post 2016, if they're smart.
And as someone said, they probably signed him to a two year deal post 2016, if they're smart.
Yeah. If he retained that attitude internally, I can imagine that its this that pissed off the team and led to the final decision. I don't think that neither his general performance nor his mistakes would be enough to replace him mid-season.
nature boy
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Yeah this is a Marko thing protecting his protegé (and his reputation) while throwing Kvyat under the bus.
(No, I don't think Kvyat has a chance of recovering his seat).
theignoramus
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Seems like they were looking for an opportunity to railroad Kvyat for Verstappen and Sochi was the trigger.
No way is this just about one bad weekend.
No way is this just about one bad weekend.
I'm sorry but I can only see this as a dick move by redbull under the influence of Vettel.
Anyone comparing Kvyat's last race with the overtaking in China are insane. If in that situation you think Kvyat shouldn't go for the gap maybe you're watching the wrong sport
Kvyat made a mistake, I don't think that's enough to demote him. He isn't a team player? Funny thing that it took this many races to figure that out.
Anyone comparing Kvyat's last race with the overtaking in China are insane. If in that situation you think Kvyat shouldn't go for the gap maybe you're watching the wrong sport
Kvyat made a mistake, I don't think that's enough to demote him. He isn't a team player? Funny thing that it took this many races to figure that out.
I think Max has secured his spot now. He would have to really screw up badly over an extended period of time to lose it. He's Wonderboy after all.
Psychotext
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lol... really? I know I joked about Vettel having a word, but this has clearly been in the pipeline for some time.
The best analysis is that one of the other bigger teams was lining Max up and Red Bull had to act fast.
Mastah
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Marko speaks about the situation:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/...-ticker-exklusives-statement-von-helmut-marko
-Wonderboy is already preparing for his Red Bull debut in simulator
-Kvyat put massive pressure on himself this year
-he was 3-5 tenths slower than Ricciardo and inconsistent
-there were big tensions at Toro Rosso between Sainz and Verstappen
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/...-ticker-exklusives-statement-von-helmut-marko
-Wonderboy is already preparing for his Red Bull debut in simulator
-Kvyat put massive pressure on himself this year
-he was 3-5 tenths slower than Ricciardo and inconsistent
-there were big tensions at Toro Rosso between Sainz and Verstappen
nature boy
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Yes Wonderboy moniker totally vindicated.
Poor Kvyat, his Red Bull career is pretty much over (unless he starts winning races).
theignoramus
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Exactly. Though I do think Kvyat will be pretty shaken up mentally. His team was actively looking to pounce on his mistakes to justify a demotion.
It's too much of a coincidence that this happened after that Horner Vettel pit talk.
Nah, Vettel has little power at Red Bull. Certainly not enough to get one of their drivers fired.
Psychotext
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It is a coincidence
If you genuinely think that RB make decisions based on the opinion of a former driver then you're either extremely naive or want to make Vettel out to be the bad guy
The decision makes complete sense to me. They're not going to win the title this year so get the fastest guy in the seat ready for next year when they might be ready to challenge. If the faster guy happens to be Verstappen, then so be it
There are many contracts that has yet to be extended for next season. I feel like both Raikkonen and Massa would choose to retire if they have to find seats further down the grid. Button is staying though. He would be a great fit for Williams if dropped from McLaren.
There should be a seat for Vandoorne. It would be crazy if he is not signed. He is ripe and more than sufficiently prepared. The dude jumped into an F1 car with a day's notice and outperformed Jenson Button.
nature boy
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Makes you look at Kvyat's response to Vettel after the China GP alot different now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn6_2QfmOxM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn6_2QfmOxM
And now you've gotten demoted, hope that podium was worth it and it's still all Ok.
God wouldn't have gotten shunted in the back twice.
It is I'm sure. The alternative would be no podium and getting demoted, so totally worth it.
Templar Wizard
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A vote for Kyvat is a vote for mediocracy. Don't support mediocracy, its the reason boring 'number 2' drivers continue in F1.
Kyvat did NOTHING, he was semi-solid but not stunning.
Max is talent, no doubt, and now we get to see him get in a RBR and take it to Danny Ric.
Fans of the sport should be delighted the 'next big thing' is promoted to a top 4 team.
Reminds me of Hammy's debut, let see what happens.
Kyvat did NOTHING, he was semi-solid but not stunning.
Max is talent, no doubt, and now we get to see him get in a RBR and take it to Danny Ric.
Fans of the sport should be delighted the 'next big thing' is promoted to a top 4 team.
Reminds me of Hammy's debut, let see what happens.
Yeah because Vettel wants a faster driver in a competitors car. Come on..
brotkasten
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Icefire1424
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Eh, I think this is a pretty different circumstance, and had a lot to do with Kvyat's attitude and immaturity. That, and Riccardo is a better driver. He's not going anywhere unless it's on his own terms.
brotkasten
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If immaturity was one of their issues, getting Max wasn't the best solution then. ;-)
Whoa, crazy news. I did not expect that to happen. As mentioned in a couple posts, there must be a lot going on behind the scenes that we aren't seeing.
ha, indeed!
ha, indeed!
scorcher59
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I don't see the logic behind this driver "switcheroo", not a straight up equal case but, back in '09 when Fisichella replaced Massa he was nowhere compared to the pace of Raikkonen, because he didn't know the car and had to pretty much learn from it each race meeting, I think something like this might happen with the Kvyat/Verstappen change. In the case it doesn't happen though, Verstappen stands more to win from this than Kvyat.
Icefire1424
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theignoramus
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Yup. All about talent. Though I do wonder if Max will cuss out his RBR engineers the way he did his TR team. Horner does not seem like the type of man to take that.
Big Takeover
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You're right, it rarely works out, and I do expect him to be off the pace a bit initially. That said, he has a ton of things going for him. Not the least of which is 17 more races this year to get it figured out.
Are people making stuff up now?
theignoramus
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Unexpected, brutal and not sure what to make of it.
Over for Daniil at RB, if they think you can't handle pressure, they are not going to trust him ever again.
For Max, feeling again it is to soon. He proved me wrong with his start in F1, but switching mid season to a top team, means everyone he does is being put under a microscope again.
Does make the next weekend in Spain a hole lot more entertaining
Over for Daniil at RB, if they think you can't handle pressure, they are not going to trust him ever again.
For Max, feeling again it is to soon. He proved me wrong with his start in F1, but switching mid season to a top team, means everyone he does is being put under a microscope again.
Does make the next weekend in Spain a hole lot more entertaining
Souldestroyer Reborn
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Please let this happen.
Not shocked by the Danil news. The writing has been on the wall, it wasn't a matter of if but when.
I don't see Danil being at TR next season either tbh.
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