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Formula 1 2017 Season |OT| Japanese Horror Story - Sundays on Sky
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Giovinazzi
Why, taking time to decide on a punishment afterwards is just a good thing. Look at in football, a player might get a red card for violent conduct and get a 3 game ban automatically, but if FA, Premier League, FIFA, whoever is in charge of that shit decides it was far worse, e.g. the guy bit him or did something crazy then the ban can be a lot longer like Suarez. Hitting a guy with your car in anger is on that level of stupid.
It's very even between Hamilton and Vettel right now. If not for the headrest they would have finished ahead of each other an equal amount of times. There is no favorite between them.
Hamilton at Spa 2008 is also a heated debate still.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
If they retrospectively disqualify him from Baku, and delete the points he gained, what is the difference between doing in now or during the race? The net result is identical.
Well they created a weird precedence by giving Kvyat a driver through and then later an additional penalty (for not lining up correctly at the start).
I DO feel like they only gave Vettel 3 penalty points because he already had 6. Honestly I could not blame the FIA if they gave him more and effectively a ban. Though I would be disappointed for the championship fight.
aspiegamer
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Just wanted to randomly comment on how much I love F1 for being so ridiculously detailed that it would go through that much telemetry data for this. Not only just the data on that lap, but compared to the other safety cars around the same corner for control data? Talk about thorough. I'm sure they could have put on traces of other drivers through the corner for comparison, too. Seems the car telemetry is 20 data points a second, but the positional data is much more frequent than that.
Road Rage Vettel is weird. He was still pretty chill at the end of his RBR run and in "gives zero fucks" mode the past few seasons. I wonder what's changed. He doesn't need to win any more championships to prove anything to anyone, so why be such a dick now? Is the culture at Ferrari that toxic and competitive? This is largely a conspiracy theory, but I think the reason they've kept Kimi around like this is because they feel obligated to support the team's most recent champion (even if it's been an entire decade).
Road Rage Vettel is weird. He was still pretty chill at the end of his RBR run and in "gives zero fucks" mode the past few seasons. I wonder what's changed. He doesn't need to win any more championships to prove anything to anyone, so why be such a dick now? Is the culture at Ferrari that toxic and competitive? This is largely a conspiracy theory, but I think the reason they've kept Kimi around like this is because they feel obligated to support the team's most recent champion (even if it's been an entire decade).
Well for the last few seasons he hasn't had a championship-capable car. This year he does.
Has nothing to do with "casuals" or sponsors. This kind of behaviour is unacceptable, period. Hitting a competitor, going on the radio and calling a competitor and the race official all kinds of names for minutes on end. Vettel has done both of these things in less than a year.
Do that in another sport and see what happens. They were very lenient after the Mexico incident, I think, and they put him on probation instead of giving him a red card. The more I think about it, the more I feel like he broke that probation. He should get a race ban, because maybe then he'll learn.
dl77
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To be fair it's not a new thing for him though. He's always been petulant when things don't go his way, even throughout his RB days when he was cleaning up.
With respect, a lot of F1 drivers are like this - especially those used to winning.
StopMakingSense
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Yeah that's where I come down to it, speaking as someone who is just now getting into the sport heavily this year. This is the equivalent to any other sport's level of severe unsportsmanlike conduct that would result in a match ban of some to-be-determined-by-the-governing-body's length.
dl77
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Oh yeah I agree completely. I think if you were to search for F1 champions who haven't been bastards at some point you'd find a very short list.
Meh, difference between whiny cunt and bastard though.
Senna was a bastard, Schumi was a bastard.
Driving into a competitor on purpose even at low speed moves Vettel firmly from whiny cunt to bastard.
Liberty Media continues to win: http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/355162/formula-1-considers-launch-show-for-fans/
So the question is why did the race director contiually use the SC when the VSC would have been just as effective and arguably safer?
Answer: it's all about the show. It's like WWE with Vettel as the Undertaker and Crashtappen as Mr Perfect. #Blessed can be Ted Dibaze or IRS.
(been a long time since I watched wrestling)>
They could have a catwalk the cars could drive down in front of the press.
Odds of the Honda engine not making it to the end of the walkway?
No shit lol, Mr Perfect died 14 years ago!
The real answer is that the track is narrow and there were marshals on-track and it's easier to direct traffic to a side of the road around the danger if they're all bunched up and following a pace car that can slow down where necessary.
brotkasten
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Doesn't put that unnecessary pressure on the teams to have the new car ready for the event? Some of them usually present it on the first or second test. I assume they'd simply opt out of that event?
It's gonna be in Spain on the week of the 1st test. They can bring whatever car they use for the test. They save money because they don't have to do an event themselves and are already in town so logistics are easy.
For teams that can't afford their own press thing, this is probably great news.
Hydranockz
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Hamilton calling on Charlie Whiting really rubs me the wrong way. Call it out to your race engineer, your team, Toto or whoever but communicate with the team. Let the governing bodies do what they are supposed to do and if they don't, then absolutely call them out. I can't recall what it was Vettel had said in Mexico to/about Charlie but obviously my stance is the same. You show enough respect for the governing bodies to do the right thing. I don't want to see drivers calling on him for decisions, ever, like that what their race team is there for.
did Ham call Charlie or something?
Vettel asked Charlie to go away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ECeVacI5Bc
I think he said something like "10 seconds for that is a joke Charlie". Don't recall exactly.
During the race, when they told him about VET's 10s stop and go penalty, he said something like "that's not enough, you know that Charlie!"
ohh,... my selective memory skipped that...
Plenty of drivers call out Charlie in their radio messages if they feel aggrieved. Even if they don't, what they say is often with the intent of making sure he's aware of how they feel.
But nah it's Hamilton so let's take a shit on him.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
They will present a car, alright. That car will not resemble what they will drive though, aside from it having four wheels.
Hydranockz
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I literally pointed out Vettel had done it but was bringing Hamilton up as his was the most recent occurrence of it.
And yeah, plenty of drivers probably do it when they feel aggrieved and I can understand why they would do it but I still believe like it's not 'great' behaviour. It's ultimately ok in the grand scheme of things but like seeing soccer players pointing out stuff to a ref, I feel like there should be a level of respect shown to arguably one of the most intensely observed regulatory practices in sports. Maybe that's the rugby fan in me hah.
Like I said, that behaviour rubs me wrong. Not specifically Hamilton, just that instance of him doing it. Don't mean to ruffle the feathers of HAM fans, my apologies.
Goldrusher
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I like allowing fans... but I do prefer multiple days worth of car launches.
Not sure how thats related. But awell.
GrizzleBoy
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If you'd remembered what Vettel did in Mexico, then you d have thought twice before thinking it was a good idea to compare them.
For reference:
Seb was SCREAMING towards the end of the exchange.
I know you did. I guess I just feel like they often have a point of trying to communicate with Charlie during the race because after, nobody's really gonna care that much. And in the cockpit it probably feels like the only option they have.
FWIW I'm not a Hamilton fan, lol. I just get frustrated with the level of weird anti-bias he gets from some people. Likewise I apologise if I came across aggressive or whatever, nothing intended.
dl77
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I like the use of the safety car - though whoever is leading at the time probably wouldn't agree!
It brings an extra element of skill into it where the lead driver has to back up the pack and judge the right time to make a break and the others have try not to get caught napping. Plus it also means that teams can switch strategies which can often bring some excitement to what is becoming a processional race.
brotkasten
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It really doesn't matter. It's 100% Vettel's fault. It's not even a debate at this point.
It seems some would have less of an issue with Vettels antics if Hamilton had indeed done something wrong. So proving that Hamilton did something wrong is important.
Even Hamilton had no issue with the first crash, it happens. What he and everyone else actually cares about is Vettel losing his top.
It worked fine, what are you on about?
All of the crashes after the SC for a start?
They might as well have fun 1/3 of the race behind a Merc with how well it worked.
I doubt Hamilton even cares about that as much as the fact that a black flag would have been a much better result for his WDC standings. They are in it to win it.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
SC creates a big gap on the traffic for marshalls to remove stuff. SC can also guide the train somewhat around obstacles.
VSC is slow, but doesn't create a gap. That's the main issue.
FIA meeting on Vettel has been confirmed for the 3rd.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...aku-fia-penalty-collision-further-action.html
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...aku-fia-penalty-collision-further-action.html
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