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[Peter Ian Staker]

That nonsense at Mclaren was the beginning of the end. Had he stuck it out, it would have been one hell of a driver combo.

That was never going to happen.
You can't have 2 dominant all time greats in their prime on the same team for long without turning into a shit show and someone wanting out.
At most it would have lasted 2 seasons like Senna and Prost.

 

[JadedWriter]

That was never going to happen.
You can't have 2 dominant all time greats in their prime on the same team for long without turning into a shit show and someone wanting out.
At most it would have lasted 2 seasons like Senna and Prost.

I'm almost sort of at the belief that this would've been better for both Alonso and McLaren, but at the same time the internal politics of 2-3 seasons of that shit would've probably literally set the garage on fire. I would think at best Alonso would have one more championship and Hamilton would still probably have the same amount.

 

[Frankfurter]

Slow is right. Even with DRS this is pathetic

Oh come on, give that hard working engine a brake or two.

 

[xrnzaaas]

That Force India is playing on easy AI.

 

[Caboose]

Slow is right. Even with DRS this is pathetic

Nando flashing back to 2001 like

 

[brotkasten]

Nando flashing back to 2001 like

Coincidentally, this is going to be Vettel's look at the end of the season.

 

[RSP]

Thought this was interesting: Max was live in a talk show yesterday evening where he talked about what was going on and how messed up the situation was.

Aside from the obvious dancing around the topic of going to another team (which isn't going to happen) he did mention that when his engine arrived in Spa, there was a major issue with it (I believe the crank was either broken or faulty). It apparently came straight from the factory.

Also, after his DNF, they replaced one of the spark plugs, and the engine just ran like normal.

 

[Zaru]

Honda sadly doesn't have a monopoly on engines that get confused and fuck themselves.

Speaking of reliability, it's kinda impressive that Vettel and Hamilton have zero retirements so far. I'll be really surprised if this lasts until the end of the season.
Also, Ocon. Despite his skirmishes, he's the only other always-finisher besides those two.

 

[Aiii]

I hope Alonso and Max are in the press conference together on Thursday. It would be glorious.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131507/verstappen-would-prefer-engines-to-blow-up

 

[JadedWriter]

I hope Alonso and Max are in the press conference together on Thursday. It would be glorious.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131507/verstappen-would-prefer-engines-to-blow-up

Can our veins really withstand the sodium intake of that combination?

Nando flashing back to 2001 like

I always love the part of that footage with Kobayashi walking passed him and doing a double take.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Ferrari 1-2 in Monza

Spoiler

Kimi in front.. BELIEVE

 

[Psychotext]

Monza is the next stage of the lower oil consumption rules right?

 

[Aiii]

Monza is the next stage of the lower oil consumption rules right?

Yeah about that: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131505/mercedes-clear-to-use-higher-oil-burn-level

Good job, FIA.

 

[Psychotext]

That's the championship over short of reliability issues then.

 

[DBT85]

Yeah about that: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131505/mercedes-clear-to-use-higher-oil-burn-level

Good job, FIA.

Lol.

Makes sense from a td perspective, can't believe nobody else dud it though.

 

[frontieruk]

Yeah about that: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131505/mercedes-clear-to-use-higher-oil-burn-level

Good job, FIA.

Lol.

Makes sense from a td perspective, can't believe nobody else dud it though.

Lmao how did no one else see that whopping great sign reading "LOOP HOLE" in neon lights? Or did they see it but were worried some bs directive would be made to reign them in if they tried it?

 

[Xando]

Yeah about that: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131505/mercedes-clear-to-use-higher-oil-burn-level

Good job, FIA.

What a joke. Either implement it for everyone or keep it as it was. Especially on these engine tracks.

 

[Loris146]

Yeah about that: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131505/mercedes-clear-to-use-higher-oil-burn-level

Good job, FIA.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha fuck this shit.

 

[John_B]

Clever girl. Ferrari started playing the FIA games even before pre-season with the suspension ban. They can't really complain.

 

[Fox Mulder]

What a joke. Either implement it for everyone or keep it as it was. Especially on these engine tracks.

Everyone knew the deadline, no one else got an engine update in before the rule to take advantage.

 

[Aiii]

Everyone knew the deadline, no one else got an engine update in before the rule to take advantage.

Nobody else has a comfortable .5s qualifying lead over everyone else. FIA played right into their hands. Once again.

 

[brotkasten]

Yeah about that: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131505/mercedes-clear-to-use-higher-oil-burn-level

Good job, FIA.

This is some amazing fuckery they're pulling off. In all honesty, hats off to them.

 

[Tempy]

SmugTotoPicGoesHere

 

[scorcher59]

So how does this affect the Peter P rocketship?

 

[Aiii]

So how does this affect the Peter P rocketship?

.

 

[Razgreez]

Clever girl. Ferrari started playing the FIA games even before pre-season with the suspension ban. They can't really complain.

Can't remember where I read it now, either Motorsport magazine or motorsport.com but it is postulated that the only reason the status quo between the top three teams did not remain similar between this season and last is due to the banning of the psudo-FRIC. It's why I find it amusing when some talk about Ferrari "closing the gap". I mean it's not a false statement it's just not happened in the way they inferred i.e. the banning led to Ferrari pulling Mercedes and Redbull towards themselves more than them (Ferrari) catching up to the other two in total performance. It's also why I find the positive pessimism à la "Mercedes will out develop Ferrari eventually" amusing since Mercedes' entire concept was built around the banned system and it's actually quite interesting that they are able to win races even without it. Shows how far ahead they might have remained were it not banned.

As long as Mercedes still wins both championships I don't mind since it's given us some decent races. Would be lying if I said I preferred it banned though.

 

[JadedWriter]

SmugTotoPicGoesHere

We need some sort of "All according to Keikaku" but in German jpeg or something.

 

[Massa]

Pretty much.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/f1/mattiacci-and-alonso-real-story

Didn't McLaren also fight really hard so Alonso wouldn't come back, and it was Honda who made it happen?

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

So how does this affect the Peter P rocketship?

Honda burn through more engines than oil.

 

[Caboose]

FIA negatively influencing the championship battle as per usual eh

 

[SilentRob]

We need some sort of "All according to Keikaku" but in German jpeg or something.

 

[John_B]

Mercedes currently has two engines for each driver that are allowed the higher oil burn level. The older engine completed Silverstone and Hungaroring and the newer one completed Spa. I doubt those two engines will do a total of 11 races. It seems more likely Mercedes will use a fifth engine later (that has to conform to the lower oil burn level).

Ferrari also has an engine for each driver that are allowed the higher oil burn level. That engine completed Silverstone, Hungaroring and Spa. It also seems likely Ferrari will use a fifth engine later.

That would be something like 4-6 races for Mercedes to run with a higher level of oil burn and only 1-2 races for Ferrari. The Monza upgrade Ferrari is bringing could negate some of that advantage, so I doubt this move by Mercedes will completely kill the remainder of the season.

 

[nekkid]

I did wonder why they bought in the engine so soon, but this makes sense. Spent all their tokens, too.

Presumably they'll just juggle the bits around to fill the rest of the season. It's looking unlikely Ferrari will need to break a 5th either, despite their early season usage.

Although I'm predicting one of Lewis' engines to go pop.

 

[Par Score]

Yeah about that: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131505/mercedes-clear-to-use-higher-oil-burn-level

Good job, FIA.

The fuck is everyone complaining about this for?

According to an FIA technical directive issued in July, engines introduced before Monza would be allowed to run at an oil burn level of 1.2 litres per 100km.

I get that there's an ongoing hate-on for Mercedes and Hamilton, but this isn't even playing around with the rules, it's just following them very simply and directly. The FIA says "do this" and Mercedes does it, by the book.

Let's not forget they're competing against Ferrari, a team that regularly just outright breaks the rules then gets the FIA to change them after the fact.

 

[Psychotext]

I get that there's an ongoing hate-on for Mercedes and Hamilton

Ferrari, a team that regularly just outright breaks the rules then gets the FIA to change them after the fact.

 

[frontieruk]

Wasnt the FIA referred to as Ferrari International Assistance at one point?

 

[Aiii]

The fuck is everyone complaining about this for?



I get that there's an ongoing hate-on for Mercedes and Hamilton, but this isn't even playing around with the rules, it's just following them very simply and directly. The FIA says "do this" and Mercedes does it, by the book.

Let's not forget they're competing against Ferrari, a team that regularly just outright breaks the rules then gets the FIA to change them after the fact.

If you actually read my post and the other people's post you'd see we're complaining about the FIA creating this situation and not Mercedes exploiting it.

But I guess your fanboyism obscured your vision for a little while, it's fine.

 

[Psychotext]

Wasnt the FIA referred to as Ferrari International Assistance at one point?

That doesn't really change the hypocrisy on show there though.

 

[Zaru]

As long as Mercedes still wins both championships I don't mind since it's given us some decent races. Would be lying if I said I preferred it banned though.

This would be 2015 without overtakes if Mercedes had that kind of system. Careful what you wish for.

 

[Diablohead]

The oil burning thing for a few extra horse power is whack, is there a reason why it's being reduced instead of forcing everyone to allow 1.2 letre burn rates?

 

[Fox Mulder]

The oil burning thing for a few extra horse power is whack, is there a reason why it's being reduced instead of forcing everyone to allow 1.2 letre burn rates?

Renault didn't want to develop it due to cost so the FIA blocked it. Ferrari and Mercedes have been using it.

 

[Psychotext]

Could you imagine Honda trying to add that to the equation?

 

[nekkid]

Could you imagine Honda trying to add that to the equation?

"Oil burning: why didn't we think of that?"

 

[Razgreez]

Could you imagine Honda trying to add that to the equation?

Spoiler

j/k

 

[Tubie]

Could you imagine Honda trying to add that to the equation?

Their cars would just straight up become balls of fire while also going slower than everyone else.

And somehow Wax would blame it on Vandoorne.

 

[Diablohead]

Renault didn't want to develop it due to cost so the FIA blocked it. Ferrari and Mercedes have been using it.

ah alright ty.

 

[ElTorro]

Do we know that Ferrari and Renault have also been burning more than 0.9 litres of oil in their engines? Them not doing the same as Mercedes would make sense if they never burned that much oil in the first place. (I haven't followed the news on this issue.)

 

[Lego Boss]

Wasnt the FIA referred to as Ferrari International Assistance at one point?

Spa 2007 when Hamilton was basically demoted from 1st to behind Kimi was when this was a massive thing.

Can't really imagine much has changed in 10 years especially as they haven't won a title in that time.

 

[DBT85]

Wasnt the FIA referred to as Ferrari International Assistance at one point?

At one point? Lol.

 

[DD]

New Formula 2 car unveiled: http://www.fia.com/news/f2-2018-car-unveiled-monza