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Forza 5 Showroom | New cars and details for Forza 5, ongoing reveals
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I will not be dragged into this. But nobody should as well, without any confirmations everything is speculation.
Well Forza 4 was already very impressive on the 360.
I think the 1080p is going to result in compromise elsewhere though..
With how Ryse and Forza 5 looks, I am seriously doubting those devs now.
state_vector_collapse
Member
A month from launch and we still don't know how many cars will be on track?
Isn't Ryse 900p though?
Bobnob
Member
We know theres gonna be 16 or over from a pic that was posted.
I honestly think T10 are regretting their 1080p claims and they had troubles sticking to them.
I hope the game adds extra AA when rendered in 720p (still have a 720p tv)
It'll be a fun thread to read...
I honestly think T10 are regretting their 1080p claims and they had troubles sticking to them.
I hope the game adds extra AA when rendered in 720p (still have a 720p tv
You think the final game will be 720p? I'd be OK with that.
I think the issue of dev capabilities should not be called into question, nor hardware capability. Their has been muted rumors and whatnot about X1's software environment not been up to speed, at least when compared to the PS4. Now, Turn10 and Crytek are developing games exclusively for X1 in the case of F5 and Ryse. From what we know, both games have been in development since the designing stages of the X1 hardware so it is most likely that they have had a lot more attention from MS tech personnels. Of course it also helps that they are two technically adept studios who are very good at what they do.
COD:G may well run 720p on X1 and 1080p on PS4 but I don't think that speaks much to the difference in power between the two systems (the PS4 certainly isn't 2.25 times more capable than the X1). EG. one of the earlier Madden games in the current gen ran at 60fps on the 360 and 30fps on the PS3, does that mean the 360 is a more powerful system? of course not because as many other games will show (and certainly the subsequent Maddens will attest) the PS3 was just more difficult to program for, and the software dev side was bad at the time.
COD:G may well run 720p on X1 and 1080p on PS4 but I don't think that speaks much to the difference in power between the two systems (the PS4 certainly isn't 2.25 times more capable than the X1). EG. one of the earlier Madden games in the current gen ran at 60fps on the 360 and 30fps on the PS3, does that mean the 360 is a more powerful system? of course not because as many other games will show (and certainly the subsequent Maddens will attest) the PS3 was just more difficult to program for, and the software dev side was bad at the time.
16 online seems a safe bet, but we've no idea how full the grid is for single player.
soundscream
Member
I honestly think T10 are regretting their 1080p claims and they had troubles sticking to them.
I hope the game adds extra AA when rendered in 720p (still have a 720p tv
Do you have this saved to your clip board?
You keep posting this, when the game ships at 1080p I want you to write "I will always respect the beard" 100 times in a post.
If (and it's a big 'if') FM5 is somehow struggling to make launch (based on the perceived lack of info and media this close to release day plus the large day one patch), then I wonder if it's down to technical issues (maintaining 60fsp at 1080p, eliminating pop-in, applying acceptable AA?) or whether it's simply a case of not having enough time to generate the necessary assets (model all the tracks, Forzavista every car?).
If the (hypothetical) problems are of the technical variety, then a downgrade to 720p might go a long way to help resolve them. It's one hell of a lot less pixels to render in each frame.
If the (hypothetical) problems are of the technical variety, then a downgrade to 720p might go a long way to help resolve them. It's one hell of a lot less pixels to render in each frame.
eso76
Member
No no no, the game WILL ship at 1080p, i never doubted that:
T10 is not backpedaling on that.
I just think they shouldn't have committed to 1080p for a launch game because the hardware / drivers / sdk / whatever is probably not up to the task for now, and i am sure T10 had to cut back on stuff they planned to include (24 players ?) to ensure the game would run at 1080 60p.
That, and i hope that setting the console in 720p gives a boost to AA.
Terbinator
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Genuinely considering cancelling my pre-order today tbh. 720p for CoD/TF simply isn't good enough for a £430 console.
I was already thinking about knocking it on the head and just waiting until Mach and picking up a One + TF/Destiny and Forza in one go, but TF is coming to PC and i suspect Destiny will at some point. £430 is a lot of money to play a game i/we know nothing about.
I was already thinking about knocking it on the head and just waiting until Mach and picking up a One + TF/Destiny and Forza in one go, but TF is coming to PC and i suspect Destiny will at some point. £430 is a lot of money to play a game i/we know nothing about.
i wouldnt trust buying a console at launch anyway but i agree xbox especially doesnt seem worth it at this point, as a PC gamer as well
eso76
Member
Wouldn't buy a Xbone if it wasn't for Forza but other games more than prove the console is capable of amazing stuff.
Red Chocobo
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I have no problem with 720p. Can't even tell the difference on my tv.
you need to move closer then
Terbinator
Member
Yeah. Before i didn't mind just sucking it up with Forza for a while. But Titanfall being 720p has shocked me tbh and, really, doesn't instil confidence for future releases. That £400 on a console would serve me better with a massive SSD for Steam.
Ryse and DR3? Ryse looks good but that's it even though it is meant to have come along way since reveal. DR3 - i did like the previous games but the ones on my list post-Christmas were TF and Destiny.
PC gamer here so play on a monitor (1440p). 720p looks ass.
I have no qualms about FM5 as a technical feat, but it's content or lack of and other games is what bothers me.
Yea, it seems pretty set in stone. If we were still waiting to hear what resolution it was, I'd be worried, but they've been trumpeting 1080p since the beginning.
And 720p would be pretty bad for Forza 5. As it is, the big improvements in the visuals seem to be largely resolution-based, so it would wipe away most of that. They could probably manage some better aliasing, but I'll take crisp visuals with some jaggies over blurry visuals and less jaggies anyday.
Really, with it being pretty much certain that there will be less content than in FM4, they absolutely cant afford to have anything less than a substantial leap in graphics to make it worth it. Otherwise, you might as well just keep playing Forza 4.
Terbinator
Member
As a sidenote, i think in light of other devs it's clear T10 seem as solid as ever technically.
eso76
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That's exactly because they committed to 1080p and didn't have a lot of resources left to spend on other aspects
Although, that really is debateable; we've seen Prague, we've seen the textures and geometry and shaders; even at 720p that's something clearly above what the x360 could do.
We've seen (few
) cars on screen with much much higher geometry than those in FM4; models swapping is one thing people have been complaining about in FM3 and 4 and now no one even notices There's some minor improvements in other areas, lots of things that nitpickers and graphic enthusiasts will be looking at, but I think in general, the big improvement seems to be coming from the resolution bump.That's exactly because they committed to 1080p and didn't have a lot of resources left to spend on other aspects
Although, that really is debateable; we've seen Prague, we've seen the textures and geometry and shaders; even at 720p that's something clearly above what the x360 could do.
We've seen (few
I mean, if you go back and look at the difference from Forza 1 to Forza 2, it was a pretty marked shift in graphics, even if Forza 2 wasn't the prettiest game around. It just plain looked like a new game and not just Forza 1 with a shiny new coat. Forza 5 looks to be very much like Forza 4 with that shiny coat.
I think the main hope is that like Forza 2 to Forza 3, there is a LOT of room for improvement still. Which I imagine there is, given how quickly they've put this game together and given that the hardware specs should be good for well more than just a resolution increase.
eso76
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that i don't know, i think you really need to see it in person.
I remember comparison pics and videos between FM2 and 3; sometimes you'd have a hard time telling them apart and yet, on your tv, FM3 looked like a completely different game
It'll make launch. But with how many cars/tracks?
And if it doesn't... will this be the first console generation to not launch with an exclusive driving game on either console?
That's exactly because they committed to 1080p and didn't have a lot of resources left to spend on other aspects
Although, that really is debateable; we've seen Prague, we've seen the textures and geometry and shaders; even at 720p that's something clearly above what the x360 could do.
We've seen (few
Yes, we've seen Prague, but (even making some weird allowance for it being the 'Crown Jewel' track, as if that magically makes it look better or something) we've seen nothing of a similar quality since. IQ on Alps and Laguna look nowhere near as good.
Was Prague even running on actual Xbone hardware, or was it on PC with 'target specs' (which might have been lowered since E3)? Have we recently seen Prague actually running on actual consumer Xbone hardware?
I agree with eso, I think Turn 10 made a rod for their own backs by announcing 1080p so early, based on their work with dev kits or target specs. 720p (or even 900p like RYSE) might have made this crunch period a lot more manageable.
Terbinator
Member
LOL
Glad I don't worry about that stuff and only buy the exclusives on consoles.
The X1 and PS4 are going to have a lot of sub 1080p games....or sacrifice graphic settings in comparison to PC.
First party and true exclusives are the way to go
.phosphor112
Banned
Even CBOAT said it's 1080p because people started doubting him after he said sub-1080p will be the norm for xbox.
them p's
Also soon to be available for your driving and racing pleasure we welcome these rides to Forza Motorsport 5.
1994 Nissan 240SX SE
2012 Hennessey Venom
1993 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec
1995 Toyota MR2 GT
1997 Mazda RX-7
1997 Lamborghini Diablo SV
2011 Audi RS 5 Coupé
2012 Dodge Challenger SRT8 392
1992 Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v Mk2
1984 Ferrari GTO
1961 Jaguar E-type S1
1969 Chevrolet Nova SS 396
2010 Lexus LFA
2002 Chevrolet Camaro 35th Anniversary SS
2009 Lexus IS F
2011 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
2012 Jaguar XKR-S
1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator
Also soon to be available for your driving and racing pleasure we welcome these rides to Forza Motorsport 5.
1994 Nissan 240SX SE
2012 Hennessey Venom
1993 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec
1995 Toyota MR2 GT
1997 Mazda RX-7
1997 Lamborghini Diablo SV
2011 Audi RS 5 Coupé
2012 Dodge Challenger SRT8 392
1992 Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v Mk2
1984 Ferrari GTO
1961 Jaguar E-type S1
1969 Chevrolet Nova SS 396
2010 Lexus LFA
2002 Chevrolet Camaro 35th Anniversary SS
2009 Lexus IS F
2011 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
2012 Jaguar XKR-S
1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator
Pumpkincutter
Banned
Mark 2 gti 16v! Was on the fence, but now it's a day 1.
I'm tellin' ya - you can test drive the cars straight from the homespace. I dreamt it so it must be true.
That's at least 2 cars with the driver in them in the "home space".
They're either trying to tell us something...or it just has an option to take pics with the driver included.
eso76
Member
Let's pretend to believe the difference in IQ was just due to compression...(doubtful)
it was, reportedly, but only had one car on the track ( 2 at Jimmy Fallon's)
We haven't seen Prague AT ALL, recently.
All we keep seeing is the same 6 months old footage. NO recent media of Prague at all.
in other news:
1997 Mazda RX-7
Whew. Would have been pissed if this didn't make it.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Home space is 100% in game. The game is the bullshot.
Red Chocobo
Banned
The Mini is the most realistic one.
The plastic around the wheel arches almost looks real.
The plastic around the wheel arches almost looks real.
Yeah, the wheel arch shader looks great but the chrome headlight surround looks wrong, somehow. Too sharp and geometric, or something. Can't put my finger on it.