Wildstar75
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Has anybody compared their recent play through to the e3 build? The game was just amazing at e3! If nothing has changed graphically or gameplay wise, I'll buy an xbox one just for this.
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Forza 5 Showroom | New cars and details for Forza 5, ongoing reveals
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H3rTz DoNuT
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So it looks like the floodgates didn't deliver today. Few screens, barely any new info, zero nice surprises and some rather (to put it lightly) bad news.
Can't say it was a good day.
Can't say it was a good day.
I think we're arguing semantics here. Having models that are "future-proofed" may simply mean having car models that have enough polygonal/geometric detail so that they don't have to rescan the entire car, as indicated in the latest interview with Eurogamer (cars already with high fidelity only needed to have extra polygons added).
Then there's the nex-gen shader complexity. Every single car in FM5 needed to have those extra layers of paint shaders added as they clearly didn't exist in the 360 models, probably because the platform wasn't powerful enough to render them even in AutoVista mode OR doing so for all 400+ cars in Forza 4 would've pushed its release even further from the fall 2011.
Exclusion of these tracks sucks. Especially Suzuka, Mugello, Road America, and Sonoma.
FunnyBunny
Member
Wow.
I feel so sorry for the Forza fans here after today's news. The low track count is especially painful given the series record with lower track numbers.
I mean, we just got Infineon.
I was considering picking up and Xbox One in a few months but will definitely wait for Forza 6 now.
What a punch in the gut.
I feel so sorry for the Forza fans here after today's news. The low track count is especially painful given the series record with lower track numbers.
I mean, we just got Infineon.
I was considering picking up and Xbox One in a few months but will definitely wait for Forza 6 now.
What a punch in the gut.
Templar Wizard
Member
includes Yas Marina, but excludes Suzuka...
That's some high powered BS right there!
That's some high powered BS right there!
I was expecting between 20 and 30 tracks (hoping for Suzuka and Camino Viejo), and between 200 and 300 cars, I don't think this was unreasonable, 14 tracks is really a bad surprise.
I'm disapointed but I still believe the game will be great. I hope we will get some footage at 1080p60fps from Gamersyde very soon.
I'm disapointed but I still believe the game will be great. I hope we will get some footage at 1080p60fps from Gamersyde very soon.
I just want detailed info on the game's new features at this point. WHERE ARE THEY
Probably holding out until closer to launch.
However, I don't think the features are going to hype people back up. The depressing car and track info has hit hard.
Graphics are sublime
Sound is incredible
Content is disappointing
Mascot, are you completely out mate?
Sadly, I am. The line has been drawn in the sand.
It comes down to this: the bad news has far outweighed the good, and that applies equally to the game and to the console I'd need to buy to play it. Xbox Division have completely lost my trust and it seems the lunatics have finally taken over the asylum.
I've not been comfortable for a while with the philosophical direction the game seems to be taking but the final nail in the coffin was the day-one DLC strategy and the sheer arrogance behind it. By itself this was bad enough but coupled with yesterday's revelations about the meager car and track count it forms a clear mission statement going forward. There's no way I'm opening myself up to months, even years of emotional and financial blackmail to get the game I should be buying on day one.
Nope, I'll stick with FM4, FM3 and FM2 for the foreseeable future, continue to drive all those cars on all those tracks in my compatible race cockpit, and see where the land lies this time next year when more options and incentives might be available.
The whole situation is greatly disheartening, to be honest. The Forza franchise has been a loyal and valued friend over the years and FM5 was easily my most anticipated game on any platform. It was literally a system seller. Stepping away has not been an easy or comfortable decision to make but I've no doubt whatsoever that it's the right one at this time.
I'll continue to follow the game on GAF, herald its successes and rag on its deficiencies but I'll certainly not be playing it any time soon.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
The Bugatti circuit from Le Mans is back, are T10 counting as a new track?
Each track going down that list of cut tracks is like a punch in the gut for me.
And I'm left severely bruised, battered and unable to breathe afterwards.
More clear than ever that this game was probably not intended for a launch window.
JackAubrey
Member
No thankfully it looks like the list of 14 tracks is 14 locations. Le Mans will include full circuit, full circuit no chichanes and Bugatti. And maybe there will be time of day and reverse versions. So three tracks minimum at Le Mans.
So counting variations it'll probably work out at something like 40 configurations plus reverse versions.
eso76
Member
we know what the 14 tracks are, T10 isn't listing different ribbons.
It's actually 14 locations
Oh well.
Hopefully Monza and Long Beach are coming soon after launch.
or day one
I'd be surprised if you get reverse versions of any official circuits. These aren't generally allowed under licensing agreements. And I think alternative times of day would have been mentioned by now if these were in.
Still baffled by many of the omissions on that track list.
sadly I dont think thats the case.
I think they just want to monetize more.
in absolute terms, it really means nothing to me, like 50 or 100 extra during the course of the game, even on top of limited edition and car pass. game is still going to rock, its still going to be imo the best racer for the foreseeable future (EVERYTHING included)
and in fact 50 or 100 more during the duration of the game, I think mean not very much in absolute terms to most of early adopters, who usually dispense money on new tech and games.
BUT in other than monetary terms, I'm a bit sad as its clear I have to place t10 on a completely different place than where it used to sit inside my head.
MONEYWHORE
you know they got more cars and more tracks ready than what they are offering. anybody who thinks otherwise, I suggest he rethinks..
JackAubrey
Member
That's why I didn't count them in my number. So we'll likely get reverse versions of fantasy tracks. So Bernese Alps will be:
Bernese Alps Club (plus reverse)
Bernese Alps Full (plus reverse)
Bernese Alps Festival (plus reverse)
I wonder how many ribbons there are at Prague.
Bernese Alps Club (plus reverse)
Bernese Alps Full (plus reverse)
Bernese Alps Festival (plus reverse)
I wonder how many ribbons there are at Prague.
I don't know about that. They've said in the past that track DLC didn't sell well, so they stopped making it. Surely they're not going to try and create tracks as they go and think they'll all sell enough to make it worthwhile, severely compromising their retail product in the process? :/
Apologies, when you said...
JackAubrey said:
...I thought you were talking about LeMans.
Daffy Duck
Member
Getting this free with my console, makes it a little easier, but I'll be damned if I am going to buy the season pass.
Can you individual cars?
Can you individual cars?
ok, I will give you that, but you have to keep in mind that everything t10 says, it aint as solid truth as it used to be..
so, here's my q:
if they dont want to do payable track dlc,
dont you think that right when they are announcing only 12+2 tracks, they would make an announcement saying something in the lines of:
"we are still working on some tracks with the new tech we are implementing, and these tracks will be offered for free as they are completed"?
unless they have made any such kind of statement that I missed....
ever further than that, if they did not aim for extreme monetization, WHY the fuck you announce a pass that is 60% more expensive than on forza 4, while making clear that this has to do only with dlc cars and not tracks?
and also, dan said tracks where cut when they where too old tech or just old config. if this is the true reason,
WHERE THE FUCK IS MONZA? WHERE THE FUCK IS LONG BEACH?
We know smartgeometrics scanned them, monza especially further than one year+++ back.
so its not either OLD TECH nor OLD CONFIG. so where is it?
Men it is quite heart crushing to read this. I completely understand what you mean I am still buying the game and xbox one day one but it is true that it feels like they are milking me for something that was rushed and not ready to launch.
I want to keep supporting with my money a franchise and a gaming proposition that I like and enjoy but It is true that it is one of those days that feels like they are laughing at the fans and not even hiding it....
what I hate more about the whole situation is how immature they are in their communications no real one to one talk about the situation I feel like most of the community could understand a mature conversation about why we are in this situation what models can they develop to solve it but it is everything double talk about bullshit like hundreds of cards, LASER scan bla bl bla without real mature conversation about content and what makes the game fun or not...
I feel bad for you guys. I hope Turn 10 are reading, because evidently they've lost two sales from two long lasting GAF Forza fans on this release. They could still make amends by offering tracks etc as free DLC, though somehow I doubt it. Having this game as a launch title was probably a bad move in the long run. I think it will sour the reputation and image of the franchise somewhat, especially with a content heavy GT6 launching less than two weeks after it.
soundscream
Member
This thread has been listening to linkin park it sucks but the long manifestos are kind of getting ridiculous.
Sal asked if I was still getting FM5, so rather than just say 'no' I explained my reasons why.
Is it wrong to discuss things you feel passionately about?
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Possibly the classiest concern this side of the moon.
first of all, if you are to really feel sorry about someone, feel sorry about t10. its them they have this problem, not us.
that being said, they dont care.
dan's ears are filled with dollar bills right now, so even if you tried to talk to him, I'd think he would not even listen.
and its not the end of the world either....
just a good company turning greedy, like countless others before them, only this one is stupid company and even more stupid decision, because this extra sum of extra 50 dollar bills they crave so much from the dedicated fans (casuals wont give a fuckity fuck)
its going to cost them in return MILLIONS in loosing face.
I'd like to believe that. I really would.
They will care... If consumers talk with their wallets. That's the bottom line. Money talks. Fact that so many of us paid for XBL Gold is why Sony are charging for online today. And it will be the same with all these churn out releases (COD, Fifa etc), online game specific premium subscription services, day 1 DLC and all the rest.
Helios and BADNED
This i feel it is really bad they are not here anymore. I meant they would have already know about the track list being that short and all the shit how can you not be prepared and have content and features to try to spin it as something not so bad.
Each track going down that list of cut tracks is like a punch in the gut for me.
And I'm left severely bruised, battered and unable to breathe afterwards.
More clear than ever that this game was probably not intended for a launch window.
And the list is still missing nürburgring
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
GT5 took 5 years and it also had 27 tracks ( almost twice the amount F5 has), weather, night and day cycles, dirt and snow racing, a course creator etc.
Wake the fuck up dude.
F4 season pass was $30 and had 60 cars. F5 is now $50 for the same amount. No surprise that some of the most requested cars and tracks like La Ferrari and Nurburgring are behind DLC.
Look I don't even play Forza. Never have. However theres comes a point where T10 should stand up for its fans and just straight up tell MS that they've gone off the deep end.
Bobnob
Member
Thanks, that gif made me feel better lol lolHelios and BADNED
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Can we talk about surface scanning of Laguna Seca?
Does it take elevation and banking into consideration or is it just a bump map?
I wouldn't know a slightly innacurate corkscrew from a perfect one but it was quickly picked up on.
Does it take elevation and banking into consideration or is it just a bump map?
I wouldn't know a slightly innacurate corkscrew from a perfect one but it was quickly picked up on.
Cipher Soze
Member
Helios and BADNED
Well, when most of the Forza community is feeling like this
GIFSoupand all they have is spin to counter, it's probably wise of them to stay low.
I think someone called dibs on it a while ago. Can't remember who.
I guess we need a whole new set of FM5 OT title suggestions in light of recent revelations.
JackAubrey
Member
GT5 only has weather and day/night cycle on very few tracks. I'm not making excuses for Forza, but let's not over egg the GT5 pudding.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Gt5 was a big old janky bag of bollocks, no reason to believe GT6 is any different.
Cipher Soze
Member
Oh bloody hell, you're right! Sorry about that.
JackAubrey
Member
I wish Turn10 would tell us why the game is so good. Come on guys let's hear about game modes - talk to us.
The thing that's made my most excited about the game recently was Sessler talking about how the AI behaves in practice and how pleasantly surprised he was by it. Did we really have to wait for him to play the finished game for someone to explain this Drivatar stuff in an interesting and exciting way?
Why with all the effing secrecy? Don't you want us to play the game?
The thing that's made my most excited about the game recently was Sessler talking about how the AI behaves in practice and how pleasantly surprised he was by it. Did we really have to wait for him to play the finished game for someone to explain this Drivatar stuff in an interesting and exciting way?
Why with all the effing secrecy? Don't you want us to play the game?
