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[WickedCobra03]

Roffles. Not even going to buy this casual crap. EA's battlefield premium thing is almost too much. This is just way in left field.

 

[zephervack]

Cant believe im saying this but with that much DLC, they might as well make it Free to play, I would have at least played it then.

Not touching this at all now.

 

[Risk Breaker]

Hahahaha, oh wow.

 

[VibratingDonkey]

Whether or not the price is fair depends on what you're paying for. The details on that are extremely vague at this point.

There are six car packs though, and it's unlikely that I'd be interested in getting all of those, so odds are I'd save more than $10 by going a la carte.

 

[Polishin8r]

only going to get worse with new consoles.

GT5 is pretty good with updates and shit, wish they added some new tracks thugh

 

[paskowitz]

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Keep talking

and do not take my money.

 

[Paladin CL]

It is nothing more than testing the revenue-model for the future.

It does not surprise me the slightest, I called it backthen in 2010 and it is inevitable process. All driving games - especially driving games - will transform into "iRacing" model during next-gen to some point at least.

You will be buying barebone game and for real content you will have to pay (significantly?) more. All publishers are testing that ATM. Microsoft (through Forza), Sony (through GT5), Codemasters (through Dirt 3 and F1 - see my explanation below), EA (NFS, Burnout), etc.

For example just take current stream of F1 games - basically, we got 3 games in 2 years as a 3 separate titles, but with almost the same recycled content and few new features. Compare 2010 and 2012 and tell me that all we got during that 24 months couldn't be simply updated via online-update or DLC? GT5 is a clear showcase it can be done. However, F1 is the greatest example of same scheme as these "Seasonal Passes", just done as retail-disc. One can argue how "new season equals new game", but deeply inside you just know it is not. We showed 150 euros to Codemasters through past 24 months for 3 games that are pretty much the same game, right? And we got what? Pretty much the same 24 cars on 26 tracks (2 tracks out from 2010 to 2012, 2 tracks in) and few new modes and 3 new drivers. And that is it. 150 euros.

There is no way in Universe I will support this with my wallet, I learned it the hard way with FM4 LCE + Seasonal Pass + Porsche Expansion DLC. And it was my last investment in such scheme. Despite I am really looking forward to Horizon, I also really wish that "Seasonal Pass" bomb hardly, simply because Microsoft has to understand how this aggressive and wrong way of treating the content is deeply flawed. This particular "Horizon Experiment" will be the testing ground for future Forza titles and it just shouldn't be helped to succed.

Not to mention how they will probably earn another zillion with in-game car-unlock tokens (also patented by EA), but that is another story..

I agree with most of what you said except when you talk about Forza 4, in my opinion it was good DLC support (except for lack of tracks) and the game was FAR from barebones.

I dont see Forza 5 not having 700 cars atleast.

That said im not buying this Season Pass because it think its a bad deal with only a 17% discount and 6 cars packs and 5 Season pass exclusive cars. Pretty weak.

About a Forza 4 Goty, i think theres going to be one, Forza 2 and 3 had it, but we will get it in a few months, so it doesnt compete with Forza Horizon.

 

[bill0527]

I can't believe they actually found a way to get you suckers to pay almost double the price for a game.

 

[NullPointer]

I can't believe they actually found a way to get you suckers to pay almost double the price for a game.

Who are you talking to?

 

[Neuromancer]

Who are you talking to?

He's referring to the hundreds of

Spoiler

imaginary

people in the thread who said they're buying this.

 

[Fruitster]

That's not far off the price of the game itself - sod that! I like Forza but not nearly enough to support DLC practices like this. I'm out.

 

[Liquidsnake]

Excellent pic OP.

 

[witchedwiz]

Fuck this gen.

this nailed it

 

[Mascot]

If wallet-rape like this becomes the norm then a lot of honest gamers might end up thinking piracy isn't such a moral outrage. The games industry might be shooting itself in the balls with a fucking rocket launcher.

 

[DidntKnowJack]

Hilarious.

Advertise that shit, Gamestop.

 

[bjork]

Man, I'm still working on Forza 3...

 

[MikeE21286]

I'm confused by this thread...

I didn't think Turn 10 was developing this game?

 

[Stop It]

Well, that's me downgraded from buying the game to waiting for the inevitable "complete edition" with all DLC for £25 or so. People who buy this full price AND get the season pass deserve to have "sucker" stamped on their forehead.

 

[KageMaru]

lol hahaha wow, these season passes (and DLC) is getting ridiculous.

 

[Izayoi]

The first Forza game I won't be buying. What a shame.

 

[Zeroth]

The funny thing is, all this season pass crap, at that price should essentially be a whole new game right? I mean content-wise. What does it say when they are basically asking for the same amount of money for extra content that might just be supplemental and isn't as feature rich, required the same development time and resources (like ND rehashing old Uncharted maps) and isn't as expansive as the base game?

I know they ask more because the amount of people who buy it are way less, but fuck, consumers shouldn't care about that if they are already paying these ridiculous prices.

Disgusting.

Reminds me of the whole "Day 1 DLC isn't included in the original budget" deal that we had going during the ME3 outrage. It's quite surprising to see such a big value for DLC plans, and makes you wonder how they are going to pull out the same quality content that a full game has despite working with a much smaller time frame.

 

[jmdajr]

hahaha, what the fuck is that? I don't even play those games.

 

[Sethos]

 

[Apdiddy]

I'm OK with the season pass being $50 if Forza Horizon is $10 to $20 at retail day 1. Otherwise, it's a complete rip-off if Microsoft expects you to pay full price AND get the season pass too.

 

[ramparter]

This is how you ruin a nice idea.

In before "Season pass model doesn't work, players want to buy their dlc seperately"

 

[Guileless]

I'm going to put on a Big Bang Theory t-shirt, preorder this at Gamestop, and mail in my Romney absentee ballot on the way home. And then make a thread about my awesome day.

 

[Lothars]

I'm OK with the season pass being $50 if Forza Horizon is $10 to $20 at retail day 1. Otherwise, it's a complete rip-off if Microsoft expects you to pay full price AND get the season pass too.

Or you can buy the game and not buy the dlc, it's optionally and shouldn't affect your enjoyment of the game.

I don't see how it's a rip off when they give the option plus as long as they specifically say what you get than I don't see the issue even than I wouldn't pay this much for it and will wait for a sale.

 

[dreamfall]

So... $60 for the game, and $50 for the content that should've been included in the game but we're asked to pay for too? This sounds like a big investment- the game looks refreshing (maybe worrisome in applying some of the Forza mechanics to an open world racer) but sheesh. How does this get allowed?

 

[Jack_AG]

Holy shit no thanks. Fuck Forza and hot damn fuck damn near all publishers this gen. Like seriously. This is jacked.

 

[Paladin CL]

I dont understand the people saying they wont buy the game (assuming the liked before), how this is different from Forza 3-4 DLCs? both games had close/over 50 usd in DLC. If you dont want the Season Pass, dont buy it, how that changes the game?

If you buy the game and dont buy the DLC you are seding a better mesage with your wallet i think, like you are not happy with the price or the content.

 

[Arc07]

Welp that's disappointing. Time to cancel my CE preorder. First Forza game I won't be buying as well.

 

[Mileena]

I dont understand the people saying they wont buy the game (assuming the liked before), how this is different from Forza 3-4 DLCs? both games had close/over 50 usd in DLC. If you dont want the Season Pass, dont buy it, how that changes the game?

If you buy the game and dont buy the DLC you are seding a better mesage with your wallet i think, like you are not happy with the price or the content.

Not buying the game or DLC sends an even better message.

 

[SuperSonic1305]

$60 in DLC? I didn't know Forza reached COD levels of popularity and could do something like this.

It doesn't have to be CoD popular. It just has to be in a genre where the enthusiasts will buy everything released without question.

 

[iNvid02]

 

[Jack_AG]

So 4000 moonbucks (or £33 in Her Majesty's Pounds) for some car packs and an expansion that will be released a month and a bit after release that will almost certainly consist of content that was cut for the express purpose of selling it again, and if past Forzas are any indication there will be another couple of car packs not included in that.

I would like to think that we're getting close to the tolerance level of gamers towards DLC and season passes, but on the other hand this is the company that charges for online multiplayer and that's widely accepted. I think we haven't seen anything yet.

The problem isnt that they're doing it - its that people actually buy this junk. If we stopped buying - they wouldn't be doing it.

I guarantee that if everyone dropped their XBL memberships it would become free forever in the blink of an eye.

We shape the landscape of our gaming future with the money we spend. If we continuously spend money to get ripped off - the message we send is "its ok to keep fucking us sideways".

Companies make these decisions based on revenue and current trends.

We could easily send a message EASILY... but it wont happen because there are people who willfully get suckered into this shit.

 

[MMaRsu]

Time to get nfs most wanted. This forza game doesnt look too hot anyway.

 

[shinnn]

Season passes are like Kickstarters for DLC. And I cant believe they charge so much for this content.

It's 2400 for 6 months of car packs + 1600 for the expansion pack. It just on par with the other MS games.

They just added more content on the go, so it looks expensive as fuck.

 

[surly]

I dont understand the people saying they wont buy the game (assuming the liked before), how this is different from Forza 3-4 DLCs? both games had close/over 50 usd in DLC.

Exactly. Forza 3 has 5,600 MSP worth of add-on content, not including avatar crap and themes.

The problem isnt that they're doing it - its that people actually buy this junk. If we stopped buying - they wouldn't be doing it.

Uncharted 3 had $45 worth of DLC announced in advance, which amounted to 4 new maps, some old ones, and a bunch of skins. It had an online pass. It had a season pass (better deal than this Forza one in terms of discount though), but they changed the terms of the season pass after people bought it to make it an even worse deal. Where was the big boycott for that game? Gamers' "principles" seem to change depending on who the "evil" company is. EA online passes = The work of Satan. Sony announce online passes for all first party titles = Well, maybe it's not so bad after all.

 

[DJ Crimson]

Exactly. Forza 3 has 5,600 MSP worth of add-on content, not including avatar crap and themes.


Uncharted 3 had $45 worth of DLC announced in advance, which amounted to 4 new maps, some old ones, and a bunch of skins. It had an online pass. It had a season pass (better deal than this Forza one in terms of discount though), but they changed the terms of the season pass after people bought it to make it an even worse deal. Where was the big boycott for that game? Gamers' "principles" seem to change depending on who the "evil" company is. EA online passes = The work of Satan. Sony announce online passes for all first party titles = Well, maybe it's not so bad after all.

What are you talking about? People have been criticizing the Uncharted 3 game for that exact reason anytime someone brings the game up. Also Sony did get backlashed for that. Although that was just message board backlash which doesn't really amount to much unfortunately.

 

[Jack_AG]

Exactly. Forza 3 has 5,600 MSP worth of add-on content, not including avatar crap and themes.


Uncharted 3 had $45 worth of DLC announced in advance, which amounted to 4 new maps, some old ones, and a bunch of skins. It had an online pass. It had a season pass (better deal than this Forza one in terms of discount though), but they changed the terms of the season pass after people bought it to make it an even worse deal. Where was the big boycott for that game? Gamers' "principles" seem to change depending on who the "evil" company is. EA online passes = The work of Satan. Sony announce online passes for all first party titles = Well, maybe it's not so bad after all.

Who is saying otherwise? I wasn't here on GAF for that BS - I'm speaking for all bullshit DLC.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Full of fail

 

[Uno Venova]

Uncharted 3 had $45 worth of DLC announced in advance, which amounted to 4 new maps, some old ones, and a bunch of skins. It had an online pass. It had a season pass (better deal than this Forza one in terms of discount though), but they changed the terms of the season pass after people bought it to make it an even worse deal. Where was the big boycott for that game? Gamers' "principles" seem to change depending on who the "evil" company is. EA online passes = The work of Satan. Sony announce online passes for all first party titles = Well, maybe it's not so bad after all.

God you're terrible.

 

[guldakot]

MY personal policy regarding dlc is to pay what I think its worth in terms of what percentage of a completed game it is.
If FH has 200 cars and 8 tracks for $60 (I have no idea what its shipping with just throwing out numbers) then 36 cars would be worth about $9 to me, and I won't pay a dime more. Thats just how I look at DLC.

 

[Glix]

What is this, some sort of train simulator?

 

[Bgamer90]

Understand some getting upset over this but how is this any different in comparison to what Forza 3 and 4 had?

Could have sworn that both of those games had a ton of DLC as well.

 

[BlazinAm]

b-b-but DLC is not cut content to be sold for major profit. YOUR WRONG.

That's a assumption unless you have internal info at Microsoft to share?

My problem with this is that they have not given any sense of scale or value to any of the packs. With Battlefield they had Karkand to show what each DLC pack was as a example.

 

[chubigans]

Uncharted 3 had $45 worth of DLC announced in advance, which amounted to 4 new maps, some old ones, and a bunch of skins. It had an online pass. It had a season pass (better deal than this Forza one in terms of discount though), but they changed the terms of the season pass after people bought it to make it an even worse deal. Where was the big boycott for that game? Gamers' "principles" seem to change depending on who the "evil" company is. EA online passes = The work of Satan. Sony announce online passes for all first party titles = Well, maybe it's not so bad after all.

I know I've seen Uncharted 3 get a LOT of flak for the season pass. I'm not sure why you're selectively trying to remember otherwise. And the Sony online pass got a hell of a lot of flak too.

Not only that, but we had no idea what the Uncharted season pass was going to amount to, just like all other season passes. We know the Forza pass has over 36 cars and some kind of expansion for $50. Can't you see how absurdly ridiculous that is?

No one minds paying for content piecemeal during the lifespan of a game. But when you front it all into one package, charge nearly as much as the full retail version, and announce it all before the game is even released, well, you have know some kind of backlash is coming.

 

[Paladin CL]

Not buying the game or DLC sends an even better message.

If you like Forza Horizon, NO, is not a good message, you are telling them you are not interested in the game at all, not because the DLC but because the concept.

 

[Jack_AG]

If you like Forza Horizon, NO, is not a good message, you are telling them you are not interested in the game at all, not because the DLC but because the concept.

That's the point. Not buying a half-baked product to send a messsge.

DLC used to be content created AFTER a game has been finished, not content created during and then stripped away for the purpose of an upsell.

 

[GayForMaster]

That is fucking ridiculous.