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[Clay Davis]

season passes are starting to cost almost the same as the game they are for. borderlands 2 was the first and now forza is also following this trend.

I understand developers and publishers want a good return on their game but this is the wrong way to go about it in my opinion.

 

[SmokyDave]

And season passes are part of why you're backing out?

What a weird thing to announce on a fucking gaming forum, "Yup, I'm glad to stop a hobby because of optional things you don't need being there."

I mean, if there are other things going on in your life and gaming isn't your main hobby anymore then obviously more power to you, but posting this here in this thread because a $50 season pass is announced is laughable, as if the season pass is the point of no return for all of gaming.

You seem pissed off that people are pissed off, which is even weirder to me.

 

[soundscream]

If the content is good i dont mind if is 20 or 200 dollars in DLC, i spent probably around 150 dollars in Forza 4 and with a big smile, i love having new cars (and i hoped for tracks )

But a Season pass with only a 17% of discount its a joke, especially one as expensive as that. Also with so many cars cut from the game (lower classes and upper R1-R2) its possible that they release some of those cars as DLC and im not paying for cutted contents.

I´ll wait and see but doesnt seem like im going to buy many DLC´s from this game, unless the packs are made from 15 new cars (not from Forza 4) i think they will be expensive, 560 per pack was on the limit of a good deal, if they expect me to pay 10 usd for 10 cars they are crazy.

By the way
Forza 4 Season pass (7 carpacks) : 2400 MSP
Porsche Expansion : 2400 MSP (1600 for VIPs)
Forza Horizon Season Pass : 4000 (6 packs + 1 expansion)

Other 4 o 5 Forza 4 DLCs : 560 each.


So, this is not crazy in my opinion, but 17% off it just lame.

It is a bad PR move to put it out all at once with the $50 price point. The sticker shock is kind of crazy, but in the end its in line with what they have always done.

 

[GraveRobberX]

That's already happened with Battlefield 3, sales for the game on origin for $10 but BF3: Premium was still $50.

Shit, the mega Cod Elite stuff was like $99, people freaking out over Forza having this season pass is sorta late.

I don't know anymore

Shit is getting crazy >_<

 

[MormaPope]

You seem pissed off that people are pissed off, which is even weirder to me.

Nah.

There have been worse offenders for DLC and money grabbing. Forza 4 didn't feel incomplete at all if you didn't own a season pass. People in this thread have said they won't buy the game now because an optional choice is presented to them and for some reason they take offense.

That guy posting he's quitting gaming partly due to season passes humors me, or the fact that he's somehow dodging something terrible gaming wise by not playing games, like there's some horrible or apocalyptic event scheduled for gaming. It doesn't make sense.

 

[Nimajneb]

So, we're up to $110 games. I wonder how much game will cost next gen.

 

[NullPointer]

Oh god lol, isn't this what people want?

I've never heard anybody asking for this. For big multiplayer games with map packs it makes more sense since the DLC is every bit a tax on staying current with versus playlists, but this is a whole new level of crazy.

We don't know if the expansion is cars, new events, new geography, a license bundle like Porsche, or whatever.

Either way I haven't seen a season pass yet that had real value. You're giving up your ability to decide on each DLC pack as they come.

And season passes are part of why you're backing out?

What a weird thing to announce on a fucking gaming forum, "Yup, I'm glad to stop a hobby because of optional things you don't need being there."

I mean, if there are other things going on in your life and gaming isn't your main hobby anymore then obviously more power to you, but posting this here in this thread because a $50 season pass is announced is laughable, as if the season pass is the point of no return for all of gaming.

Its obnoxious, and a sign of disrespect for the customer to be sold the option to put so much money down on faith. Sometimes you just don't want to do business with shady people.

 

[Clay Davis]

isn't forza a first party game? if it is, I think microsoft should do the sensible thing and give the dlc away to gold members or sell the season pass at a heavily reduced price. charging for a gold membership and a season pass for a first party title is unacceptable.

 

[Gorillaz]

season passes are starting to cost almost the same as the game they are for. borderlands 2 was the first and now forza is also following this trend.

I understand developers and publishers want a good return on their game but this is the wrong way to go about it in my opinion.

Most season passes cost 30 bucks.....forza was the first I heard costing more then that (not including the "season passes" that BF3 and CoD has)

 

[rangersfan414]

Well the call of duty: modern warfare 3 season pass was also $49.99

 

[bakedpony]

Lol at this. Those that will get this are either rich or incredibly stupid.

The real winner of course here will be M$.

 

[Majanew]

Nah.

There have been worse offenders for DLC and money grabbing. Forza 4 didn't feel incomplete at all if you didn't own a season pass. People in this thread have said they won't buy the game now because an optional choice is presented to them and for some reason they take offense.

That guy posting he's quitting gaming partly due to season passes humors me, or the fact that he's somehow dodging something terrible gaming wise by not playing games, like there's some horrible or apocalyptic event scheduled for gaming. It doesn't make sense.

Anyone not buying FH now because of the season pass could be doing it out of not wanting to even support the dev/pub by buying the game. More power to them. Best way to show you don't like something.

 

[bakedpony]

Anyone not buying FH now because of the season pass could be doing it out of not wanting to even support the dev/pub by buying the game. More power to them. Best way to show you don't like something.

Amen. Vote with your wallet and all that.

 

[JimiNutz]

Maybe an over reaction on my part but I was trying to decide whether to buy this or Most Wanted.

This news has made the decision for me....

Need for Speed Most Wanted it is!

 

[MormaPope]

I've never heard anybody asking for this. For big multiplayer games with map packs it makes more sense since the DLC is every bit a tax on staying current with versus playlists, but this is a whole new level of crazy.

We don't know if the expansion is cars, new events, new geography, a license bundle like Porsche, or whatever.

Either way I haven't seen a season pass yet that had real value. You're giving up your ability to decide on each DLC pack as they come.


Its obnoxious, and a sign of disrespect for the customer to be sold the option to put so much money down on faith. Sometimes you just don't want to do business with shady people.

You'll most likely get the cars you paid for, but which cars you get is where faith comes in.

If Forza Horizon ships with 200 cars pre DLC, then I'll be satisfied as a consumer. If someone else isn't that's fine but being scared off of playing a game due to a season pass is sorta weird.

 

[soundscream]

Lol at this. Those that will get this are either rich or incredibly stupid.

The real winner of course here will be M$.

I bought 6 of the forza 4 car packs. It would have been cheaper if I bought the season pass. So I R Genius.

 

[NullPointer]

Most season passes cost 30 bucks.....forza was the first I heard costing more then that (not including the "season passes" that BF3 and CoD has)

Forza has always been the worst. Remember that buying those car packs don't let you actually drive those cars until you've bought them with in-game currency, and some of the cars in those packs cost a shitton of credits to unlock.

I don't know of any other DLC that works in a similar manner. Usually when you put money down you can actually use what you've bought right away.

You'll most likely get the cars you paid for, but which cars you get is where faith comes in.

For me the faith is in whatever the expansion is supposed to be. Without any details people are just going to guess. Who will be right? I'd like a much expanded map with snow and mud - any chance of that?

And in terms of cars, how many cars in those packs do the Forza faithful already have in their Forza 4 garages?

Why not sell the whole shebang with a discount after we know all the details? Why wait to tell us?

 

[Jimrpg]

i think id rather buy another game with my dollars...

but the main problem for me is - why just car packs? what about tracks? Thats the biggest DLC issue... it reeks of laziness... obviously cars are the easiest to make...

 

[Dennis]

developers sure get creative after they've finished making a game.

Premium comment.

 

[soundscream]

i think id rather buy another game with my dollars...

but the main problem for me is - why just car packs? what about tracks? Thats the biggest DLC issue... it reeks of laziness... obviously cars are the easiest to make...

Did you not read the op?

 

[NullPointer]

Did you not read the op?

Where in the op are tracks mentioned?

Premium comment.

Indeed.

 

[soundscream]

Where in the op are tracks mentioned?

That's what the expansion pack is.

 

[Gorillaz]

Forza has always been the worst. Remember that buying those car packs don't let you actually drive those cars until you've bought them with in-game currency, and some of the cars in those packs cost a shitton of credits to unlock.

I don't know of any other DLC that works in a similar manner. Usually when you put money down you can actually use what you've bought right away.
?

I never played Forza so Ill take your word for it. For the most part Season Passes are 30 bucks, but what you get from it is always a foggy answer or an unclear response devs. They are quick to bring up SP's but slow to say what is part of it.

If it makes you feel any better EA had 100 dollar DLC in Need For Speed. It was a F2P game but still lol.

 

[MormaPope]

Forza has always been the worst. Remember that buying those car packs don't let you actually drive those cars until you've bought them with in-game currency, and some of the cars in those packs cost a shitton of credits to unlock.

I don't know of any other DLC that works in a similar manner. Usually when you put money down you can actually use what you've bought right away.


For me the faith is in whatever the expansion is supposed to be. Without any details people are just going to guess. Who will be right? I'd like a much expanded map with snow and mud - any chance of that?

And in terms of cars, how many cars in those packs do the Forza faithful already have in their Forza 4 garages?

Why not sell the whole shebang with a discount after we know all the details? Why wait to tell us?

I'd vastly prefer that, and that makes the most sense business and consumer wise, but treating Forza with a episodic attitude doesn't really seem that illogical. It's never really been a issue for me because I flat out don't buy season passes.

 

[Yagharek]

Premium comment.

So premium it costs more than most full games? Please. It's a scam.

 

[Jamie OD]

No way would I spend that much on a season pass.

 

[Dennis]

Yeah, they should just give out that content for free. Not like it cost them anything to make it.

free -------------------------------------> $49.99

 

[NullPointer]

That's what the expansion pack is.

Citation needed.

The Porsche car pack for Forza 4 was an 'expansion'.

 

[soundscream]

Citation needed.

If its not a car pack what else would it be in a driving game. Want to do a 3 month avatar bet that it will include new roads.

 

[NullPointer]

If its not a car pack what else would itbe in a driving game. Want to do a 3 month avatar bet that it will include new roads.

No, I don't. Not with avatars and not with cash.

If you want to that's your business but you're still taking it on faith and not facts.

 

[Orca]

Why not sell the whole shebang with a discount after we know all the details? Why wait to tell us?

Is this not like every other season pass out there, where you can wait and buy it when they've all been released?

 

[soundscream]

No, I don't. Not with avatars and not with cash.

If you want to that's your business but you're still taking it on faith and not facts.

They have said that the expansion is going to dramatically change the game.

 

[Luth1en]

ZOMGZOMGZOMG..not. This is reaching horse-armour levels of stupidity.

 

[user_nat]

Like pretty much all DLC, it is hard to see the value of this when comparing it to the amount of content in the base game.
The price itself doesn't really seem all that surprising after Forza 4 DLC.

Personally have no interest in buying additional cars, more than enough out of the box for me.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Cars and tracks should never cost that much.

 

[maverick40]

Get fucked microsoft.

 

[Sec0nd]

Why the outrage? BF3's season pass also costs 50 bucks right?

 

[amar212]

Cars and tracks should never cost that much.

It is nothing more than testing the revenue-model for the future.

It does not surprise me the slightest, I called it backthen in 2010 and it is inevitable process. All driving games - especially driving games - will transform into "iRacing" model during next-gen to some point at least.

You will be buying barebone game and for real content you will have to pay (significantly?) more. All publishers are testing that ATM. Microsoft (through Forza), Sony (through GT5), Codemasters (through Dirt 3 and F1 - see my explanation below), EA (NFS, Burnout), etc.

For example just take current stream of F1 games - basically, we got 3 games in 2 years as a 3 separate titles, but with almost the same recycled content and few new features. Compare 2010 and 2012 and tell me that all we got during that 24 months couldn't be simply updated via online-update or DLC? GT5 is a clear showcase it can be done. However, F1 is the greatest example of same scheme as these "Seasonal Passes", just done as retail-disc. One can argue how "new season equals new game", but deeply inside you just know it is not. We showed 150 euros to Codemasters through past 24 months for 3 games that are pretty much the same game, right? And we got what? Pretty much the same 24 cars on 26 tracks (2 tracks out from 2010 to 2012, 2 tracks in) and few new modes and 3 new drivers. And that is it. 150 euros.

There is no way in Universe I will support this with my wallet, I learned it the hard way with FM4 LCE + Seasonal Pass + Porsche Expansion DLC. And it was my last investment in such scheme. Despite I am really looking forward to Horizon, I also really wish that "Seasonal Pass" bomb hardly, simply because Microsoft has to understand how this aggressive and wrong way of treating the content is deeply flawed. This particular "Horizon Experiment" will be the testing ground for future Forza titles and it just shouldn't be helped to succed.

Not to mention how they will probably earn another zillion with in-game car-unlock tokens (also patented by EA), but that is another story..

 

[bodyboarder]

No sale.

 

[Dennis]

No sale.

You drive a hard bargain. $48.99 and that is our final offer. We will throw in a 256 x 256 decal for free (upgrade to 512 x 512 for only $0.99!)

 

[mil6es]

who remembers Burnout Paradise......that is all

 

[Writer_Head]

It seems that all the people that were fired from Lehman Brothers ended up in the videogames industry.

 

[saladine1]

 

[Visualante2]

Bizarre wouldn't have let this happen. And I'd wager that Playground would've fought tooth-and-nail to not do this either. Reeks of boardroom logic.

Playground are probably happy they have jobs and get to make the things they love. I highly doubt they give a shit when Microsoft is ponying up the cash.

 

[mil6es]

this games a no go for me now, no persistent online now £40 DLC, all my eggs are with Criterion and NFS now

 

[exmachina64]

We're not even a full page and you can guarantee half the people will buy this shit. MS are testing the waters and when people buy it, they'll test it again and again and again.

I cancelled my pre-order over this. Seriously. I won't buy this game at any price point.

 

[Yagharek]

You drive a hard bargain. $48.99 and that is our final offer. We will throw in a 256 x 256 decal for free (upgrade to 512 x 512 for only $0.99!)

Needs to come with a bonus truckers hat for your avatar at a bargain 50% discount price of only 400 spacebucks

 

[NBtoaster]

Completely forgot this game existed.

 

[spats]

I'm so mad that I'm going to snap my Scamza 2 disc in half.

 

[Always-honest]

Thank you. Unfortunately i feel obliged to decline this generous offer.