Fred Russell (Former Turn 10 Employee) - Turn 10 Studios has shuttered the Forza Motorsport space, remaining staff are to support Forza Horizon

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Forza Motorsport was a joke of a release. All that talk of next gen physics etc and they launched a turd.

I loved old Forza Motorsport titles but this was a joke. Hopefully Sony brings Gran Turismo to PC and Xbox soon.
 
They screwed the forza motorsport series and handicapped it by introducing the forza horizon series honestly. You completely undercut your own marquee franchise by making a spin off of it. I feel like even if forza motorsport came out absolutely incredible, then it still would've been screwed because of how big forza horizon is and how it took alot of the audience of motorsport. But then you wanna turn around and blame turn 10 who's been a legacy studio for you? Gimme a break.
 
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Some of us have been saying for a while that the game was a complete flop, but there were of course those completely dismissing Steam numbers because it was on gamepass where magic happens. I guess we now know for sure.
 
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So I guess there won't be any further content updates to the game?

Maybe Playground Games will get a chance to make a Motorsport game in the future but unlikely any time soon since they're working on Fable and Horizon 6. The big money is in Horizon so Microsoft will likely want them to focus on that series for a fair while into the future.
 
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DenchDeckard said:
Forza Motorsport was a joke of a release. All that talk of next gen physics etc and they launched a turd.

I loved old Forza Motorsport titles but this was a joke. Hopefully Sony brings Gran Turismo to PC and Xbox soon.
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I can't argue that it was a bare bones release, it didn't even have ingame statistics, that really pissed me off..

But I must admit, I did actually like the physics and the overall driving aspect. Doing Le mans in a GT40, with random weather and the time dilation on full, there was nothing like it..

Nothing.

I've played pretty much most driving sim games, this was the only one I actually enjoyed somewhat

So of course they'd shut it down, fucking typical :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Just what in the hell are they doing!

Was the team there now mostly made up of dead wood, is that why the game was lacking?
 
Skifi28 said:
Some of us have been saying for a while that the game was a complete flop, but there were of course those completely dismissing Steam numbers because it was on gamepass where magic happens. I guess we now know for sure.
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It completely destroys the narrative that the revenue earned from gamepass is enough to sustain these studios.
 
I feel like games that sort of morph into live service titles (Fortnite, Gran Turismo 7, COD as a series, Rocket League, kinda Destiny 1) do better than those designed from the ground up as service titles, as was the case with Forza Motorsport.
 
In the 360 era, FM was miles ahead of Gran Turismo. You could tell the devs put a lot of love and care into FM4. Especially all the top gear stuff at that time with Clarkson, May and Hammond.

I recently went back to play GT5 and GT6 and while there's fun to be had, they haven't aged well. It's just as well GT got back on track (pun intended) with number 7 which is excellent.
 
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Dr.Morris79 said:
I can't argue that it was a bare bones release, it didn't even have ingame statistics, that really pissed me off..

But I must admit, I did actually like the physics and the overall driving aspect. Doing Le mans in a GT40, with random weather and the time dilation on full, there was nothing like it..

Nothing.

I've played pretty much most driving sim games, this was the only one I actually enjoyed somewhat

So of course they'd shut it down, fucking typical :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Just what in the hell are they doing!

Was the team there now mostly made up of dead wood, is that why the game was lacking?
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I agree, there are some aspects that are good but the overall package was a mess and launched in a state. Its probably lucky to have sold a couple of million units across PC and XBox and Gamepass aint bringing enough money in to keep it afloat as there is simply not enough people interested in a half assed product.

jm89 said:
It completely destroys the narrative that the revenue earned from gamepass is enough to sustain these studios.
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Same for both MS and Sony, you only have to look at the direction they are taking that it simply is not possible to have console exclusives anymore.
 
DenchDeckard said:
Same for both MS and Sony, you only have to look at the direction they are taking that it simply is not possible to have console exclusives anymore.
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This is a completely different discussion than the post you're quoting. Are you saying Helldivers was not successful enough with over 12 million sales and desperately needed an Xbox port for the studio not to go under?
 
DenchDeckard said:
Same for both MS and Sony, you only have to look at the direction they are taking that it simply is not possible to have console exclusives anymore.
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No were near comparable.

One company is clearly failing to fund these games with their failing subscription model, it's not sustainable despite what lies Phil Spencer tells you

The other one is just looking for extra revenue. And don't even bring Helldivers 2 in to this conversation with motorsport team being gutted and possible the end of the franchise.
 
jm89 said:
It completely destroys the narrative that the revenue earned from gamepass is enough to sustain these studios.
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At this point, anyone who parrots the usual Phil Spencer talking points (e.g., Game Pass is totally fine you guys it's not killing our economy, studios, and IP development trust me) is beyond suspicious.

If Forza Motorsport -- a 20+ year old extremely popular IP that has shown up on every Xbox console ever -- can't generate enough money to keep the developer intact, then everything about Game Pass 'success' is a big smelly fish. Really really fishy.

Assuming the studio has no plans to rehire or expand their team in the near future, then FH could be the only Forza going forward. I think Apex Legends was the last time the spinoff took out the main IP. Crazy!
 
DenchDeckard said:
Same for both MS and Sony, you only have to look at the direction they are taking that it simply is not possible to have console exclusives anymore.
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Not sure its true, each new release of Gran Turismo games still sell around 10m (gt7 it the highest grossing title in the series in the US)
 
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Skifi28 said:
This is a completely different discussion than the post you're quoting. Are you saying Helldivers was not successful enough with over 12 million sales and desperately needed an Xbox port for the studio not to go under?
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Sony surely thinks that they want more money. I have no involvement or deep understanding of their decision. I would be happy with 12 million sales. Maybe 8 million of those sales were on PC and Sonys higher ups arent as happy with Playstations perfromance. No idea.
jm89 said:
No were near comparable.

One company is clearly failing to fund these games with their failing subscription model, it's not sustainable despite what lies Phil Spencer tells you

The other one is just looking for extra revenue. And don't even bring Helldivers 2 in to this conversation with motorsport team being gutted and possible the end of the franchise.
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Quick hint, they all lie. Microsoft and Xbox have definitely been the worst but please dont ever feel like Sony really care about you as a customer. They just want your money. Like any business.
 


A former employee at Turn 10 has revealed that the Forza Motorsport series is canceled, with the studio now becoming effectively a support studio for Forza.

Reposted to the /r/GamingLeaksAndRumors subreddit, Fred Russell, who left Turn 10 in 2016 has said that Xbox has shuttered the Forza Motorsport franchise.

"2Turn 10 Studios has shuttered the Forza Motorsport space and the team is no more. A very sad day for one of the best car racing video games. I loved my time there," he said.

"the studio is open to support the Horizon side… shuttered the Forza Motorsport side only" he continued in response to someone asking about further details.

Turn 10 is understood to have been hit incredibly hard by the recent Microsoft layoffs, which saw around 9000 employees across the company made redundant, including thousands from its gaming division, Xbox. Turn 10 has been reported to have lost approximately 50% of its headcount.

The last Forza Motorsport title released in 2023 and despite Xbox not reporting the games sales, the gam received a 83/84 on review aggregator Metacritic. The game also received 84% on Open Critic.

Other studios effected by the recent Xbox layoffs included Rare, ZeniMax, and various Call of Duty studios. It's been estimated that around 1000-2000 people at Microsoft's Xbox division was impacted by this round of layoffs, but an exact number has yet to be officially reported.

This round of layoffs marks the 4th round of layoffs at Microsoft and Xbox in the past 18 months.

The round of layoffs followed a rumor that Phil Spencer was intended to retire after Xbox's next-generation launch, however, the chief communications officer show down those rumors.
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Can we go back to the days where people complained that all there was to play on Xbox was Halo, Gears and Forza?

I'd like to feel sorry for the team but in this scenario they did it to themselves. What they released at launch was a shambles.
 
Maybe one day we will get a behind the scenes look at just WTF happened to Turn 10.

They were able to get a FM game out every other year for over a decade then 7 years to release a really shoddy, sloppy, unfinished game that they spent years claiming was "built from the ground up."
 
Kerotan said:
Look on the bright side. You can play GT7 and Forza Horizon on the same platform. Best of both worlds.
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As I've said in general layoffs thread, there is no reason to keep Motorsport around with your games going multiplatform in full swing. Horizon has a unique appeal, Motorsport is just poor-man's Gran Turismo from TEMU.
 
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Cakeboxer said:
I like it. There are many mediocre circuit racing games, but good open-world racing games are rare.
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Are there really that many circuit racing games? Maybe full sims, but you don't get a lot of choice if you want to pick up the controller and have some fun (and GT does that very well).
 
Skifi28 said:
This is a completely different discussion than the post you're quoting. Are you saying Helldivers was not successful enough with over 12 million sales and desperately needed an Xbox port for the studio not to go under?
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Right. Helldivers didn't need Xbox to be a success.
 
Well, when you spin your wheels for six years between FM7 and Forza 2023 and you turn out some half baked content poor game, this is exactly what happens.

I want to know the story behind the new Forza game and its development. They used to pump these games out nearly every two years and then they suddenly take six years to push out the worst game in the series.

I was extremely hyped for the new Forza but the moment it dropped the writing was on the wall for this studio.
 
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Turn 10 used to be a reliable studio, I wonder what happened. They fell off with FM7 and never recovered.

It took close to a decade to put out a sequel with virtually no improvements, like wtf…
 
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