dripdripsplash
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I swear I love this forum for the usual civilized and intelligent discussions it brings (mostly in off-topic I must admit) but damn sometimes some of you guys are just crazy. PLAIN OLE CRAZY MANG THIS THREAD IS CRAZY
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I swear I love this forum for the usual civilized and intelligent discussions it brings (mostly in off-topic I must admit) but damn sometimes some of you guys are just crazy. PLAIN OLE CRAZY MANG THIS THREAD IS CRAZY
I won't complain as long as all games look as good as this...
with a few extra gigs of ram i bet that explosion would cause the pedestrians to actually cast shadows. smh.
Isn't this exactly like the xbone ? even the kinect is basically a spec upgrade .
iNvid02
Member
there will be great ramifications
perineumlick
Member
You're argument is fucking stupid. A lot of you are saying stupid shit. Just sit back and think for a minute; these devs have more RAM available right now than they know what to do with. Just throwing RAM at games isn't what next gen is all about; you still have to optimize to the strengths of the console. You are creating drama where there is none. Why do you think these devs are on Twitter laughing at GAF and shaking their heads? Because some of you don't have a freaking clue.
gundamkyoukai
Member
What's your point ?
Thinking that Sony would allow devs to uses 7GB of ram right away .
We never have had a OS number people thinking it would be 1GB because it was 512MB when the system was 4GB was never fact .
Now i hate the Idea that they have so much ram for the OS but then again i always thought it would be around 1.5Gb to 2GB so if they give back some after the first year i would be happy .
Or to at least react.
BlastProcessing
Member
If you want to be an informed consumer, you shouldn't ever be buying anything on day one.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
Well, I personally think what they really needed to do is make sure multiplatform games are absolutely, 100% superior to a VERY VISIBLE DEGREE from minute one. None of this "oh, well, our frame rate is locked but theirs isn't" and no "slightly better resolution or texture quality" stuff. Significant, distinct differences, because as soon as gamers start buying games on Xbone, they've lost, as the "well my FRIENDS game on that system" pendulum swings over to Microsoft's side. And there's no coming back from that.
I honestly think they really needed the biggest advantage possible early on to swing the pendulum in their favor and make sure it stays there. We know Sony games will look good - that's never been an issue. The real issue is multiplats. And if the differences between the two systems are smaller or only semantic, that's bad for Sony, at least in the West.
And with this fresh batch of idiocy, I'm officially done reading this thread. Congrats, you've finally broken me.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
Debacle? So them having the same amount of slower RAM as Sony somehow makes MS even with them? Did Sony tear out their more powerful GPU as well?
Poetic.Injustice
Member
3.5 GB for OS use is absolutely laughable, Sony really have the best hardware and the worst software.
dragonbane
Member
I honestly think this news is positive actually, because even though the OS will be bloated like every other OS ever for a modern gaming console at the beginning, it should also mean that the OS will be fast and responsive Day 1 unlike the WiiU. Over time Sony can get the footprint down and devs will get all the RAM they need.
Not fucking up the launch with a slow messy UI looks like a better strategy to me than giving more RAM to developers that don't need it right now.
Not fucking up the launch with a slow messy UI looks like a better strategy to me than giving more RAM to developers that don't need it right now.
Where did Sony "promote" 7GB of RAM for games?
Well they went from 3.5 GB available for games to 5.5 GB. That's still a significant increase and was apparently enough to make all of them happy.
I dont think theyll say anything. From my point of view its pretty much proven
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Either way this would of been my last console generation because im sick of how many boxes consoles and console games have to tick these days. Im simply not interested in an All in one media box. I want a dedicated device. If that is something that will not be available moving forward then fine. Neither will my money be available to these companies either.
this gen only has the power for fish ai to react to exploding cars
That gif was probably made back when Sucker Punch had 7GB. Now that Sony took it away, there probably won't even be pedestrians.
The only thing the OS needs to do is cross game chat, have a basic store, and maybe multitasking with skype or some other IM client. I don't see that taking 3.5gb.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
I don't know what gif you're looking at, but they are casting shadows.
SwiftDeath
Member
I agree that the PS4 now seems less powerful than I originally thought it was
However that forces me to reassess the scenario and even with that I will still be getting a PS4 and be happy about it, just less so
Personally I think Sony should've just made it 5.5/2.5 and be done with it for launch
Maybe reclaim a gb from OS down the road
I don't think I'll value the extra OS allocation but it still seems a good deal to me
You are of course entitled to your own opinion and it is in no way less valid than mine or anyone elses
SEGAvangelist
Member
You accused him of being "sold on the Xbox One from day One."
(yeah I noticed what you did there)
I want to know this as well. All this mention of devs saying they have been using more RAM, but no proof.
Yea, that kind of does quell my resentment and buyer's remorse for a yet to be bought object.
I do love your sleeve.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Just say "preorder cancelled" already, these posts take up far too much space in the Wall of Shame.
soundscream
Member
This probably seems ridiculous to most of you but this actually confirmed me getting a PS4 now. 1GB is not enough for a modern OS, so I'm really glad they are devoting more resources to it - games are obviously important, but how you use your console outside of the games is very important too.
Garrett 2U
Member
"OK, if true, the PS4 has nothing to offer for me. Underwhelming games, underwhelming features, and its starting to look like a specs upgrade of the PS3 with nothing innovative to offer."
How is that wrong? It is his opinion man.
He clearly had a PS4 bias before this news (looking at his post history). Maybe he was more excited by amount of RAM than the upgraded GPU.
3d animations are cheap to store. The animations are a list of transform timestamps. Sprite animation that is high quality is what will eat up memory.
Isn't that what was said when we found out the WiiU had so much ram reserved for to OS? WiiU is a perfect example that ram != fast OS
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Which was always against my better judgement. I dont see why so many people are getting butthurt about the fact ive heard something I do not like so now my willingness to part with cash day one has gone. I have never once said that this makes the PS4 a bad console, just something im less keen to invest in from early on. Its prudent to be patient to see how this all plays out.
oh, the hyperbole has been in full effect for quite some time now. been in a xbone thread since reveal?
How on earth did you reach this conclusion?
The PS4 is still 50% more powerful via GPU.
Actually to me it has a good sense of where their priorities are for the PS4. They are confident that 5.5gb of RAM is good for the next couple of years and more. If Sony adds some features to the OS they can use that 1gb reserve. This also means they don't have to free up the RAM first before adding features. I still believe they'll optimize the OS like they did with the PS3. It's pretty impressive they got it from 120mb at launch to 50mb (back in 2010) while adding trophies and in-game XMB. All OS's get optimized over time (includes Windows and Mac OS) so I don't see why Sony won't do the same especially with their 10 year lifespan commitment.
Just because we cannot imagine what Sony could do with the OS in the next 5 years doesn't mean they shouldn't prepare for it. They don't want another PS3 incident like cross-game chat.
redblack85
Member
guys let's go back to the real world, it has never been told in an official manner how much Ram will use the operating system, and according to the experts and developers (Octodad) the ram is more than enough, it is to be safe.
you gotta feel bad for all those ultra driven top of the class RAM chips who graduated through the elite GDDR5 academy, only to get landed with some pencil pushing system tasking desk job. the kind that those DDR3 stoners are actually somehow better at because they don't have any aspirations beyond pushing skype calls around.
TastyOreoFriend
Member
And really, in my opinion, thats the reason this thread is as big as it is; because of peoples lack of understanding of PC hardware and architecture. Combine that with a little console wars and you have a recipe for a 80+ page thread of awesome.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
What a rambunctious thread.
GAF surprises me sometimes with the lack of strength in some people.
Take a step outside, go on a journey in the wide lands of the internet. Meet several trolls flamers and all kind of sorts.
That way you will learn perstistence. You will be able to look trough anyone. You dont have to care anymore.