Frostbite Technical Director on why Frostbite never came to Wii U

People who keep touting that line are engaging in some hilarious circular reasoning just to avoid admitting that the hardware is fundamentally too weak to get widespread adoption.

"It's not power, third parties are not putting games on it because not enough people are buying the system!"

"So why aren't people buying the system?"

"Because it has no games, DUH"

"Why doesn't it have any games?"

"BECAUSE SALES ARE TOO LOW FOR THIRD PARTIES TO PUT GAMES ON THE SYSTEM TRY TO KEEP UP"
You act like none of that could be why 3rd parties are not putting games on the system. Its reasonable to think this way you act like people are stupid for thinking like that.
 
One of these can be proven.



I see you haven't been paying attention to recent WiiU hardware findings. You might want to check out the WiiU GPU thread. Here's a little tidbit, there is RAM in the GPU that makes up for the latency of the main RAM.

First and foremost you mean bandwidth, not latency.
The RAM on the GPU could only help for what fits in it, it will not help at all for something that does not.
 
I love Nintendo's games and everything, but we really have to stop with the conspiracy theories.

It's hard for ports of old games to sell on new hardware, but Nintendo should have given developers an attractive system to work with and current generation console owners a reason to upgrade.

It's a shame that so many developers apparently view Nintendo as a laughingstock now, but it's something Nintendo chose to go with when they banked on severely underpowered hardware and a less compelling gimmick.
 
The online has nothing to do with the physics engine which was completely upgraded in FIFA 13 on PS360. The whole game felt different on those consoles.

for WiiU they took FIFA12, slapped some controller features on it, upgraded the rosters and called it a day.l

Expecting people not to hear about this stuff and to also wait 3 months for the WiiU version that isn't current is beyond unrealistic.

Online is the biggest feature in FIFA games.

And from what you're saying, taking the previous game, adding features, and making updates... that's pretty much what every FIFA title does.

The controller features are quite good unless you think the Wii U controller sucks.
 
There's nothing that "happened" between Nintendo and EA. The truth is likely that EA saw the Wii U hardware and third-party software sales and bailed the fuck out.
While that could very well be true I personally don't buy it, something feels off about this whole thing. Like we are missing something.
 
so Nintendo is pretty much in need of some good game development related news for them eh when it comes to their Wii U
 
"We did some test with not so promising results" = Nintendo refused to pay us for a sh*tty, badly coded port of our 4 year game at premium price. Did we mention that the team consisted of the janitor, a couple of interns (from a major with little to no relevance to actual videogame development), and the guy no one talks at the office?
 
I wonder if their mostly basing these comments on early dev kits like the developer of Metro: Last Light's excuse than lack of financial incentive and opportunity cost. Crytek's engine can handle the Wii U and its CEO even said, "It actually runs beautifully." In addition, he said later on that the reason Crysis 3 didn't come out for Wii U was due to publisher issue involving EA not being able to work things out with Nintendo.

This.

I wonder what that was, I guess EA maybe wanted Nintendo to be involved somehow in this relea$$$$$e.
 
"We did some test with not so promising results" = Nintendo refused to pay us for a sh*tty, badly coded port of our 4 year game at premium price. Did we mention that the team consisted of the janitor, a couple of interns (from a major with little to no relevance to actual videogame development), and the guy no one talks at the office?

I'd hate to be Johan Anderson right now, because he just got served.
 
If that were true, then third parties would not put games on any new system since the install base is too low.

Console launches aren't what they used to be. This gen (3DS, Vita, Wii U) is starting to be characterized by a complete lack of post-launch momentum. This is a new phenomenon. When consoles sold faster having one of the only games out for a few months was a plus.
 
so Nintendo is pretty much in need of some good game development related news for them eh when it comes to their Wii U

Only Nintendo 1st party games (and some regional Japanese games) can boost the WiiU to a less than embarrassing level.

It'll never even hit mediocre.
 
People who keep touting that line are engaging in some hilarious circular reasoning just to avoid admitting that the hardware is fundamentally too weak to get widespread adoption.

"It's not power, third parties are not putting games on it because not enough people are buying the system!"

"So why aren't people buying the system?"

"Because it has no games, DUH"

"Why doesn't it have any games?"

"BECAUSE SALES ARE TOO LOW FOR THIRD PARTIES TO PUT GAMES ON THE SYSTEM TRY TO KEEP UP"

It has half the main memory bandwidth of the 360 and 1/4 of the PS3.


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Can I just fast forward to June? [or better yet the 21st.] The hater's circle-jerk is getting ridiculous. Also as much as everyone rides EA, I'm sure at this point, they were never Nintendo's saviors to begin with.
 
"We did some test with not so promising results" = Nintendo refused to pay us for a sh*tty, badly coded port of our 4 year game at premium price. Did we mention that the team consisted of the janitor, a couple of interns (from a major with little to no relevance to actual videogame development), and the guy no one talks at the office?

I guess I'm not supposed to call this salty.

I'd hate to be Johan Anderson right now, because he just got served.

this is sarcasm, right?
 
I'm sure when they find a way to make a profit out 10k copies sold worldwide, it'll get more support.
 
Can I ask what experience you have in making videogames?

I'm assuming none

Doesn't Matter.

We have cryengine 3

Also check out EA stance on cube and what they thought it could do vs what factor 5 ended up doing in less than year with the same hardware.

This is a wasted opportunity between nintendo and ea as usual. Frostbite on the platform would be great just get the engine running and give it to a nintendo team they can easily figure out things to do with it.
 
Doesn't Matter.

We have cryengine 3

Also check out EA stance on cube and what they thought it could do vs what factor 5 ended up doing in less than year with the same hardware.

This is a wasted opportunity between nintendo and ea as usual. Frostbite on the platform would be great just get the engine running and give it to a nintendo team they can easily figure out things to do with it.

I think your deluding yourselves, if they thought BF3 BF4 would sell on Wii U they would find a way to port it.
 
Doesn't Matter.

We have cryengine 3

Also check out EA stance on cube and what they thought it could do vs what factor 5 ended up doing in less than year with the same hardware.

This is a wasted opportunity between nintendo and ea as usual. Frostbite on the platform would be great just get the engine running and give it to a nintendo team they can easily figure out things to do with it.

You mean the same "nintendo team" that can't even figure out how to get Pikmin 3 out on time?
 
I think your deluding yourselves, if they thought BF3 BF4 would sell on Wii U they would find a way to port it.

i dont doubt BF4 would sell enough on the wii u to at least be profitable which is why i'm convinced there is a fall out, EA aren't some resource starved mid tier publisher putting it out on wii u shouldn't take much effort from them
 
I'd say pretty much every journalist has asked and most likely been told "next question".

i'm certain you're right but have any journalists ever actually just typed up that they asked and got the inevitable response, if nothing else it would show they were doing their job and not just being press release rewritters
 
I love Nintendo's games and everything, but we really have to stop with the conspiracy theories.

It's hard for ports of old games to sell on new hardware, but Nintendo should have given developers an attractive system to work with and current generation console owners a reason to upgrade.

It's a shame that so many developers apparently view Nintendo as a laughingstock now, but it's something Nintendo chose to go with when they banked on severely underpowered hardware and a less compelling gimmick.

It's not even just the underpowered hardware and less compelling gimmick that makes it an unattractive system though, Nintendo made some other really stupid decisions and in terms of development environments, are still FAR behind Sony and Microsoft. I'm STILL baffled that those idiots never bothered to release the specs to developers, which meant the developers had no clue how powerful it was and were basically stumbling in the darkness. Say all you want about lazy ports but that kind of bullshit is what creates them, so they're indirectly Nintendo's fault as well. And if that's the kind of extra effort you have to go through to develop on the Wii U, why bother with it when it doesn't have a huge user base anyway? I mean, I know why they didn't release the specs (PR, can't bring up those comparisons) but the handling of the Wii U has been laughable.
 
i'm certain you're right but have any journalists ever actually just typed up that they asked and got the inevitable response, if nothing else it would show they were doing their job and not just being press release rewritters

It would be hard to find but one of the GAF guys either from Polygon or Kotaku said they asked and got a no comment. Possibly Aegis or J Schrieher(sp?)
 
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