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Galak-Z: The Dimensional |OT| Macross the Universe
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brandonh83
Banned
I like it. Too much chatter though, it's overkill.
Purely IMO........
a) It's harder, which could be a design decision.
b) You can only fire the way the ship is pointing, might prove a bit difficult to do that with a twin stick system?
Personally, although it's a learnable system, albeit with a steep learning curve, it feels, to me, deliberately obtuse and unwieldy, you have to contend with. ship direction, constant motion through inertia, seperate buttons for forward thrust, reverse thrust, boosting, firing guns, firing missles, juking, all at the same time as avoiding enemies and projectiles, just gets a bit overwhelming!
Maybe thrust and ship direction mapped to the left stick would have made things more (maybe a bit too?) manageable.
A slight tad of realism, perhaps? Twin stick controls are joke easy for combat and that is obviously not the way they wanted everyone approaching each encounter. It makes you rely on actual skill or good tactics.
SerTapTap
Member
The controls are weird at first, but as someone who absolutely hates Asteroids style movement, it works pretty well once you figure it all out and unblock all your movement options (buy the start of season 2 iirc
It's just scee and or ratings fucking things up, happens all the time
Juke needs an indicator for refresh maybe...
LOVE the shield mechanics for the mech
missile management is kind of a big deal
show no fucks when it comes to boosting all over place. change of direction = living
bugs are free. until they touch you. then its starship troopers shit and you're getting rekt quick
i actually like the chatter :/
LOVE the shield mechanics for the mech
missile management is kind of a big deal
show no fucks when it comes to boosting all over place. change of direction = living
bugs are free. until they touch you. then its starship troopers shit and you're getting rekt quick
i actually like the chatter :/
ultratruman
Banned
Everything I've seen of this game makes me think it's trying too hard to be smart and interesting while the core controls and design suffer. I can't stand games like that, though it's a trap lots of indie games fall into.
I'm not surprised they didn't let anyone play it in their gameplay previews.
I'm not surprised they didn't let anyone play it in their gameplay previews.
YianGaruga
Banned
I have no idea what you mean by that
i think its a simple learning curve and ppl were expecting this game to be easy for whatever reason
they nail what they aim for imo. its not a twin stick shooter or typical shmup. it doesn't really try to be one of those either. just seems like a weird comment unless i'm misreading/misinterpreting.
if anything, the framerate randomly dropping at times is the biggest issue i've encountered so far. hasn't got me in trouble yet, but its definitely there.
Impressions:
It's an homage to 80's mech anime, with a westernized style.
I am 50 and my reflexes are not what they used to be, but I don't think the game is too hard. Practice movement, strategize your battles before enaging.
Control is a mix of console and arcade styles. Because of this, I had unlearn my tendency to rotate using the left stick (Solar Jetman, Asteroids - yeah I know there are no buttons) and POINT using it, then rotate the ship to track targets.
Procedural maps are a plus, don't really care if it's a roguelike lite or whatever. If I want to play a roguelike, I play Shiren for the SNES.
Looking forward to learning fine control and seeing what else this game has in store.
Thanks for finally releasing this!
It's an homage to 80's mech anime, with a westernized style.
I am 50 and my reflexes are not what they used to be, but I don't think the game is too hard. Practice movement, strategize your battles before enaging.
Control is a mix of console and arcade styles. Because of this, I had unlearn my tendency to rotate using the left stick (Solar Jetman, Asteroids - yeah I know there are no buttons) and POINT using it, then rotate the ship to track targets.
Procedural maps are a plus, don't really care if it's a roguelike lite or whatever. If I want to play a roguelike, I play Shiren for the SNES.
Looking forward to learning fine control and seeing what else this game has in store.
Thanks for finally releasing this!
the_don_patch
Banned
What does this even mean
SerTapTap
Member
I always forget to use juke, missiles and the robot's shield. Juke and to a lesser extent shield are legit useful but missiles feel fine as a boss-only weapon. I don't like managing consumables like that.
Don't agree, if anything they didn't try to be smart enough and the writing suffers. There's a mix of pretty decent 80s cartoon/anime dialog and then some really pointless chatter. For instance they need to make the "got item" or "killed bug" chatter only trigger like 1/10th of the time, and it's lacking in some of the over dramatic presentation aside from certain intro/outro scenes. There's also some sound design bugs here and there, sounds cut out too soon or are choppy (the transformation sound in particular, and the end of level "swoosh" the ship makes sound wrong). I wish they'd given the writing a tune up and reconsidered some of the chatter. The enemy chatter is mostly great 80s cartoon stuff, but a tak talking to himself or dialog looping mid-mission is really annoying. Dialog cuts out early if you move too far or pause too.
The only thing I'd really say hurts the design is the proc gen, There are very few types of levels and the differences between them are minor. It could have used a lot more room/visual variety and more prebaked room components to make things interesting. They should have started by making a ton of rooms and made a proc gen that shuffles rooms about instead of making a proc gen that just carves pathways out of a few different types of area with different hazards.
The actual gameplay controls are pretty great. Backing up, with boost that launches you BACKWARDS is great and really compliments the fighting, strafe is neat but not really as useful as backing up + minor manual lateral adjustments, the Juke to dodge is great as is being able to shoot down enemy lasers, and all the stuff the robot can do is great. The actual gameplay is pretty great and it's pretty apparent, since it shines through despite the rather boring automatic level design.
Also the second boss is pretty intense. I didn't get to play the first boss, in the unpatched version it just insta-died. Worth going back to fight?
Don't agree, if anything they didn't try to be smart enough and the writing suffers. There's a mix of pretty decent 80s cartoon/anime dialog and then some really pointless chatter. For instance they need to make the "got item" or "killed bug" chatter only trigger like 1/10th of the time, and it's lacking in some of the over dramatic presentation aside from certain intro/outro scenes. There's also some sound design bugs here and there, sounds cut out too soon or are choppy (the transformation sound in particular, and the end of level "swoosh" the ship makes sound wrong). I wish they'd given the writing a tune up and reconsidered some of the chatter. The enemy chatter is mostly great 80s cartoon stuff, but a tak talking to himself or dialog looping mid-mission is really annoying. Dialog cuts out early if you move too far or pause too.
The only thing I'd really say hurts the design is the proc gen, There are very few types of levels and the differences between them are minor. It could have used a lot more room/visual variety and more prebaked room components to make things interesting. They should have started by making a ton of rooms and made a proc gen that shuffles rooms about instead of making a proc gen that just carves pathways out of a few different types of area with different hazards.
The actual gameplay controls are pretty great. Backing up, with boost that launches you BACKWARDS is great and really compliments the fighting, strafe is neat but not really as useful as backing up + minor manual lateral adjustments, the Juke to dodge is great as is being able to shoot down enemy lasers, and all the stuff the robot can do is great. The actual gameplay is pretty great and it's pretty apparent, since it shines through despite the rather boring automatic level design.
Also the second boss is pretty intense. I didn't get to play the first boss, in the unpatched version it just insta-died. Worth going back to fight?
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2015...his-week-galak-z-submerged-aeternoblade-more/
Apparently out TOMORROW in EU.
Apparently out TOMORROW in EU.
oh...whats the issue? Locked 30fps or 60fps with noticeable dips?
I'm interested in this game but I cannot stand an inconsistent framerate.
All you're missing is a space centipede. He can fuck you up quick if you stand in front of it or forget to boost away after his intro.
I thought it was a fun missile display if nothing else.
Juke is dope because it gives you the ability to dodge the shot you need to in order to get in close and just pour on damage that can't be dodged. Love that the combat in general is so flexible though. Plenty of ways to approach situations. Environment allows for all kinds of stuff. Throwing ships into bugs or those plant things is money.
I'm not sure. Its been pretty random from what I've seen. Its not when the action gets crazy or anything... its just out of nowhere. At least from what I've dealt with. Its not particularly frequent though. Doesn't effect gameplay either. Just noticeable.
Its no Drakengaard 3 though lol
It's 60fps with noticeable dips.
That's pretty awesome news for the EU peeps
Still glad I got it from the US, a good 3 quid saving!!!
SerTapTap
Member
Tips:
You can play it safe vs almost any enemy type simply by backing up towards empty space and firing at stuff, juking around single shots and moving out of the way of multiple shots. Use your boost thruster if you get in trouble
My preferred weapons so far are assault muzzle (fast, narrow shots), spread shape (buckshot basically), auto fire pattern (others are much too slow), fire and bounce element/type (only ones I've gotten). Extremely concentrated fire exactly where you want it. I have seen no reason to prefer other weapon types yet.
If you're not using explosive barrels to set traps, just blow them up before proceeding. Most of my damage is from explosive barrels or the second boss.
The robot is risky, but has a lot of ways to neutralize enemy fire. Shield bash and throwing items into ships/ships into walls will stun ships for a few seconds, sword swipes reflect lasers. Practice the robot in low-risk missions.
Buy crap from Crash immediately and look for his ships in levels. He refills somewhat rarely, so if you want multiple hull repairs/shield overcharges you have to check his shop a lot.
Yeah I've had this maybe once or twice per episode in more heavy action. I wonder if my preferred gun doesn't cause it because it results in a ton of particles, it usually happens in action. I nearly died to it once in the pre-patched version (this seems to be the only technical issue not patched, other than some sound issues)
Are you sure you have the patch? The final release has rare hitching but the standard framerate is fine. If you mean the hitching, yes, needs another patch
You can play it safe vs almost any enemy type simply by backing up towards empty space and firing at stuff, juking around single shots and moving out of the way of multiple shots. Use your boost thruster if you get in trouble
My preferred weapons so far are assault muzzle (fast, narrow shots), spread shape (buckshot basically), auto fire pattern (others are much too slow), fire and bounce element/type (only ones I've gotten). Extremely concentrated fire exactly where you want it. I have seen no reason to prefer other weapon types yet.
If you're not using explosive barrels to set traps, just blow them up before proceeding. Most of my damage is from explosive barrels or the second boss.
The robot is risky, but has a lot of ways to neutralize enemy fire. Shield bash and throwing items into ships/ships into walls will stun ships for a few seconds, sword swipes reflect lasers. Practice the robot in low-risk missions.
Buy crap from Crash immediately and look for his ships in levels. He refills somewhat rarely, so if you want multiple hull repairs/shield overcharges you have to check his shop a lot.
Yeah I've had this maybe once or twice per episode in more heavy action. I wonder if my preferred gun doesn't cause it because it results in a ton of particles, it usually happens in action. I nearly died to it once in the pre-patched version (this seems to be the only technical issue not patched, other than some sound issues)
Are you sure you have the patch? The final release has rare hitching but the standard framerate is fine. If you mean the hitching, yes, needs another patch
0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55
Banned
Played through the tutorial section and first season last night.
The controls definitely take a little while to get the hang of, but I really love the emphasis on physics/zero-g (thrust one direction, you are going to move in that direction indefinitely until you hit something or thrust elsewhere). I started to find the stop control (R2+L2) pretty useful toward the end of my play time. I am still trying to get a hang of the reverse thruster. I can tell it will be invaluable as the game progresses, being able to move away from an opponent and simultaneously target/shoot them. The cave sections give me pretty heavy Blood Money vibes, though fortunately, this game is not as difficult.
Graphics are ace. Really love the style. I noticed a few framerate hiccups, but definitely nothing game breaking.
I wish this game could be played in 3D even if it was just 720p. The depth to the 2D environment is very well done it would be incredible in 3D. Especially when preforming maneuvers like the juke.
The controls definitely take a little while to get the hang of, but I really love the emphasis on physics/zero-g (thrust one direction, you are going to move in that direction indefinitely until you hit something or thrust elsewhere). I started to find the stop control (R2+L2) pretty useful toward the end of my play time. I am still trying to get a hang of the reverse thruster. I can tell it will be invaluable as the game progresses, being able to move away from an opponent and simultaneously target/shoot them. The cave sections give me pretty heavy Blood Money vibes, though fortunately, this game is not as difficult.
Graphics are ace. Really love the style. I noticed a few framerate hiccups, but definitely nothing game breaking.
I wish this game could be played in 3D even if it was just 720p. The depth to the 2D environment is very well done it would be incredible in 3D. Especially when preforming maneuvers like the juke.
SerTapTap
Member
I'm not sure 3D would work for this at all, the mobility of the ships would probably require auto-targeting, braindead enemies, hitscan weapons or fights would take 18 years. There's something very satisfying about tricking enemies into fire that I don't think would work in 3D. It'd be like having an infinite Juke button
donkey show
Member
He means like active/passive 3D, not 3D gameplay.
0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55
Banned
I'm talking about playing the game as-is, just on a 3D tv. My Panny's been shedding tears for years now. Uncharted 3 was the last game I played that made use of 3D (I know, I know, the tech is dead... but whatever, it would be awesome in this game).
my age is kicking my ass in this game. I keep trying to control it like Asteroids which obviously fucks me.. need to spend some good time sitting down with this and getting used to the controls.
I mean I've been playing shooters forever, and have no problems with them in general... just this one plays so close to a fast asteroids... but the stick points instead of rotates.. which messes with me.
I mean I've been playing shooters forever, and have no problems with them in general... just this one plays so close to a fast asteroids... but the stick points instead of rotates.. which messes with me.
Olliewilldie
Neo Member
That's pretty awesome news for the EU peeps
Still glad I got it from the US, a good 3 quid saving!!!
Just what I was thinking! Favourable exchange rates at the moment for buying stuff in dollars.
Took me 3 solid runs in the prologue before I got it down lol
PLAY 2015.
Basically, pre-order this and one other game and you'll get a 10% discount code down the line.
EDIT: US only.
It's a US only promotion.
SerTapTap
Member
I think that's a US deal--and also they don't do it quite like that anymore, if you preorder 2 or more you get a 10% off coupon for later or something. They should really do a better job to pull the US and EU stores to be 99% identical. They did it with PS+, finally. And SCEE still seems to be a pain in the ass for US indies. And Japan...woof
Takes some getting used to for sure. It's a mix of asteroids plus twin stick (but only one stick!) and a bit of it's own thing. Just play around with it, especially after you learn to strafe.
YianGaruga
Banned
EU will have PS+ discount but they didn't say how much
https://twitter.com/17_BIT/status/628566625688510464
https://twitter.com/17_BIT/status/628566625688510464
Well that's kinda silly
Baron Von Beans
Member
I tried to preorder this late last night, before midnight though, and I couldn't. The store kept giving me an error ;_; Guess that is what I get for being lazy, and not getting a chance to do it earlier in the day. Oh well....that four bucks coulda bought me some tacos or some jazz to eat while I play -_-
Game looks awesome though, really can't wait to try it out.
Game looks awesome though, really can't wait to try it out.
DirtyLarry
Member
Preordered it about a week ago, looking forward to checking it out tonight.
I too am an old timer and see some comments from fellow old-timers about how they need to break their bad habits. I am sure I will be in the same boat.
From what I am reading, it sounds like it may be a much more advanced take on the old Defender game? Is that safe to say for those who have played it and know Defender?
I too am an old timer and see some comments from fellow old-timers about how they need to break their bad habits. I am sure I will be in the same boat.
From what I am reading, it sounds like it may be a much more advanced take on the old Defender game? Is that safe to say for those who have played it and know Defender?
the_don_patch
Banned
Man my game crashed when I was on the 4th mission of season 2 now I have to start all over
Hmmm........interesting, the comparison didn't spring to mind when playing it, but thinking about it..........possibly.
Control system is very Asteroids, so mash that up with a bit of Defender and Sinistar, a smattering of (insert name of Rogue-a-like), and a soupcon of bullet hell, and you're about there.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
I will really never ever be able to understand what the genre "rogue like" encompasses..
All these games seem to be completely different from another..
All these games seem to be completely different from another..
Awesome. Will buy tomorrow!
For those complaining about the frame rate, have you I stalled the patch? According to posts it improves performance in a big way.