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[xaosslug]

all these ravens and messages going back and forth and the night's watch/wall hasn't sent Jon and them a note about Bran???

and calling it now: Arya's gonna kill Littlefinger and use his fae to get close to Cersei.

 

[Cornballer]

Is the finale going to be an extra hour or something? I just really worry about the pacing.

The last two episodes this season are 71 and 81 minutes long. All of the runtimes are listed in the OP.

Im really hating that the final season is coming what, 2019? How long is the wait going to be?

It's unclear when they're going to have it ready. They said it'll either be 2018 and 2019, and they'll know more once they do some of the writing and preliminary production planning.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Is the finale going to be an extra hour or something? I just really worry about the pacing.

That said, at least the show runs for like 50 minutes, unlike other 1 hour shows that run for 40.

Im really hating that the final season is coming what, 2019? How long is the wait going to be?

Oh huh, is it really that far off?

I do agree about the finale (and the episode before it). Some of the best episodes are the ones that linger on one place where one thing is happening.

 

[zeemumu]

Tej and Roman thought they had a chance with Ramsay but she was with Greyworm all along.

 

[berzeli]

do you really that old fuck? i mean he admitted that he believes sam and still doesnt give a shit about the white walkers.

Do I really what? Believe?

I mean, Sam says that there only are two known cases where advanced greyscale has been cured. So yes?

Sam found the "cure" before taking it to Jim Broadbent. Remember Broadbent's line about the person who wrote that book dying of greyscale?

Two different scenes...
The first one Sam talks about how he met Stannis' daughter and Broadbent talking about that advanced greyscale is different from that in infants. Sam has not found the cure in this one.

The next time we see Sam he has somehow found the cure in a book. And Jimmy boy says he knows about it.

The cure is essentially something written down by an old maester who himself died of greyscale.

Uh yes?
My umbrage is how Sam found out about that old maester and his book.

When I say I find it unbelievably convenient I mean it. It just doesn't feel especially plausible that Sam found that very book in less than a day. It's deus ex librī. (I might have fucked up the latin, but hopefully you know what I mean)

 

[Heshinsi]

Bad writing.

Even if he did know what ship to attack, the fact that he could attack it without any sort of warning is just nuts.

Also considering that no sane Admiral would leave their flagship on the outer perimeter, it begs the question how he launched a surprise attack on a ship that would most certainly be in the middle of the formation. I get that Yara's flag ship could have been at the spear point, but again, Euron came at them from either posrt side or starboard.

 

[RDreamer]

Do I really what? Believe?

I mean, Sam says that there only are two known cases where advanced greyscale has been cured. So yes?

Two different scenes...
The first one Sam talks about how he met Stannis' daughter and Broadbent talking about that advanced greyscale is different from that in infants. Sam has not found the cure in this one.

The next time we see Sam he has somehow found the cure in a book. And Jimmy boy says he knows about it.

Uh yes?
My umbrage is how Sam found out about that old maester and his book.

When I say I find it unbelievably convenient I mean it. It just doesn't feel especially plausible that Sam found that very book in less than a day. It's deus ex librī. (I might have fucked up the latin, but hopefully you know what I mean)

Personally him finding the book isn't terribly irksome. I would think these guys are pretty good at categorizing and filing books and so finding the guy that researched the hell out of grayscale probably wouldn't be the hardest thing ever.

The problem really comes in if he's able to actually use it successfully and not himself die of grayscale. That's the convenience, not really him finding the book.

Also considering that no sane Admiral would leave their flagship on the outer perimeter, it begs the question how he launched a surprise attack on a ship that would most certainly be in the middle of the formation. I get that Yara's flag ship could have been at the spear point, but again, Euron came at them from either posrt side or starboard.

Shouldn't even take an admiral to know that. You protect your leaders. That's just common sense. You also probably protect them more when they're carrying important emissaries on the same freaking boat.

 

[The Artisan]

Lol there's always that one guy. Man I recently rewatched the first season, and that part where he tells Ned of all the women he would bang, and the whole bit about doing the seven. Buddy was infatuated with Lyanna, but I doubt he really loved her. He probably viewed her as a possession that was his by right due to her being betrothed to him.

I think Robert was in love with her, but she was not in love with him. And he'll never fucking know that...

Nah, that shit was warranted. He did in fact work to have her killed for Robert, and she spent almost all her life believing that Varys was trying to kill her. But the minute he truly explained who he is fighting for, is the moment she realised that Varys was the truth. Hence why she requested he always be upfront with her.

Well, when Jon Snow shows up he should bring up the fact that his dad Ned fought late king Robert against killing Dany. That should work in Jon's favor.

Also, Tyrion never wronged her. I hope the seed that Olenna planted in Dany's mind doesn't get to her. And Tyrion really was trying to defend Varys.

 

[Cornballer]

- Onion A|V Club review
- Sepinwall's review
- Rolling Stone review
- Washington Post review
- Vanity Fair review
- The Ringer review

Videos:
- Inside Game of Thrones: Cast Commentary on Daenerys' War Council
- Season 7 Episode 2 Clip: Arya and Nymeria
- The Ringer’s Talk the Thrones aftershow (video)
- Promo for next week’s episode (please spoiler tag any discussion)

A bunch of interviews from this morning:
- Making Game of Thrones: Alfie Allen interview
- Making Game of Thrones: Pilou Asbæk interview
- EW: Ben Hawkey (Hot Pie) interview
- EW: Nathalie Emmanuel interview
- EW: Maisie Williams interview
- EW: Jessica Henwick (Nymeria review
- Cogman noting on Twitter last night that they did shoot a Jon/Ghost scene but it was cut

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

It is not unbelievable that someone found a book on a topic in a library.

 

[Lionel Richie]

It's because of the medium of film. The entire fleet was sacked, so they would have been killed/taken either way. It simplifies things to just have them all be on the flagship, which would stand out from the others.

Yeah, but how did he know about the dornish people? Even if the flagship they were on would stand out from the others, how did he know who would be there? Because his idea was to get a gift for Cersei and his nephews would not have been a good gift lol. This whole thing reeks of something that happens because it needs to happen to advance the plot, logic be damned and I know it comes with the medium, but damn that was too much and it just broke my suspension of disbelief in half.

Bad writing.

Even if he did know what ship to attack, the fact that he could attack it without any sort of warning is just nuts.

Yeah, he came out of nowhere with an armada he absolutely did not have reasonable time to build. Maybe Euron is a fucking ghost.

 

[Psychoward]

The ship battle was not the important thing about the episode. What's important is that Euron how has Yara and Ellaria, which is a stepping stone to bigger things and throws a wrench into Daenerys' plans.

I don't know how people were expecting Hardhome/Battle of the Bastards levels of fight choreography and production value.

Anyway, great episode overall.

There's 7 episodes in the season and they couldn't even do basic editing for the single fight in the episode. I'm not asking for battle of the bastards, I'm asking for something that flows well and makes sense and doesn't have horrible takes in it.

 

[soundscream]

It just looks that way when the camera pans out, probably because of clouds and what not. It looks like this in the most recent episode:

Actually it starts that way but changes to the picture i posted 5 seconds later.

 

[zeemumu]

That greyscale scene transition was disgusting

 

[The Artisan]

That greyscale scene transition was disgusting

not as disgusting as the poop/soup.

on repeated views the greyscale transition isn't as bad.

 

[Lashley]

That scene with Arya and the wolves, what was it meant to show?

 

[Psychoward]

Don't really like the storyline with the uncle guy. He had his fleet stolen and it feels like 2 episodes later he managed to rebuild it bigger and better then before. Then he manages to take them completely by suprise and jumps on their ship after activating god mode.

They stole all his best ships, but he used the lush forests to build 1,000 ships and found Yara with the help of his medieval radar.

He knew that the unguarded King's Landing would need no naval protection so he sailed directly to Dorne so he could intercept Yara's fleet.

The GODMODE on Euron is a bit ridiculous. Building those ships in record time with limited supply, stealthing the vast sea with his army of ships, ambushing with his invisible cloak like it was nothing. Ridiculous.

Guy is plot armored from here to Brooklyn.

Agreed.

 

[televator]

I bet that Baelish is fixing to assassinate Jon and make it look like Danny's fault while he's visiting her. It leaves him alone with Sansa while simultaneously putting her at odds with a royal contender.

Luckily Melly is in Dragonstone where Jon will be.

 

[berzeli]

Personally him finding the book isn't terribly irksome. I would think these guys are pretty good at categorizing and filing books and so finding the guy that researched the hell out of grayscale probably wouldn't be the hardest thing ever.

The problem really comes in if he's able to actually use it successfully and not himself die of grayscale. That's the convenience, not really him finding the book.

You're right in that the book isn't the worst part, and it would maybe be better phrased as "finding a cure and applying it".
It plays into my issue with the episode at large, it presents a problem just to have characters overcome/counter it in the next scene.

And what makes it worse is that we haven't heard about this maester before, or this method to cure advanced greyscale. It is, like I've said repeatedly, unbelievably convenient that Sam finds and applies a hitherto never mentioned way to cure greyscale in under a day.

It is not unbelievable that someone found a book on a topic in a library.

See above.

 

[sjboi]

I absolutely loved this episode and thought the end battle was really well done. They were caught off guard and got their asses kicked quickly. The fast cuts worked to help convey just how frantic everything was. Euron's axe was awesome, and I loved the choreography when he killed the Sand Snakes. They tried to tag-team him and kill him from behind like they did to Tristane, but he was ready. Nice throwback.

I enjoyed just about every scene. Mel, Olenna, Dany and Varys... it's about time these major characters had these important conversations to propel the narrative forward. Cersei shooting the arrow through the dragon's eye reminded me of when Joffrey shot a crossbow bolt through the stag(?) skull. Sansa needs to take several seats. Arya's scenes were enjoyable. And Sam is really getting things done this season. Finally, I enjoyed a lot of the transitional editing (the hot pie transition, for example).

I will concede that Euron was perhaps introduced too late and Dany took way to long to get to Westeros, and now their plots feel slightly rushed. Perhaps the show spent too much time spinning its wheels during the middle seasons. However, some posters here are so excessively negative I have to wonder why you even bother watching. It reminds me of the book OT at times, which is basically unreadable, because people seem to tune in just to bash every aspect of the production. Misery sure seems to love company in here.

 

[MisterShine]

... how did he know who would be there? Because his idea was to get a gift for Cersei and his nephews would not have been a good gift lol. This whole thing reeks of something that happens because it needs to happen to advance the plot, logic be damned and I know it comes with the medium, but damn that was too much and it just broke my suspension of disbelief in half.

The "rebel" greyjoys are the backbone of Dany's fleet, destroying a chunk and capturing whoever happens to be important on there is a pretty decent gift. Euron got lucky that the Dorne folk were there, we have no reason to believe he knew for sure that is who he was going for. This is not difficult to grasp at all.

Yeah, he came out of nowhere with an armada he absolutely did not have reasonable time to build. Maybe Euron is a fucking ghost.

This one definitely IS hard to swallow. They've had a year max between seasons, the iron born were kicked off the mainland by the Boltons and stuck on the iron islands yet somehow managed to build an even bigger fleet? That looks that damn good? Nonsense.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Yeah, but how did he know about the dornish people? Even if the flagship they were on would stand out from the others, how did he know who would be there? Because his idea was to get a gift for Cersei and his nephews would not have been a good gift lol. This whole thing reeks of something that happens because it needs to happen to advance the plot, logic be damned and I know it comes with the medium, but damn that was too much and it just broke my suspension of disbelief in half.

For sure there's some of that. Breakneck pace, this season!

That scene with Arya and the wolves, what was it meant to show?

To me it's reflecting the change in Arya. "I'm not your little Nymeria anymore, and you're not who you once were either."

 

[aBarreras]

Agreed.

Regarding the stolen ships, the iron fleet was about a thousand ships, and yara only stole like a 100, my brother was catching up yesterday and the scene were yara comes to offer herself to danny, danny tells that, since Euron has more ships why wouldnt she better ally with him.

 

[The Artisan]

i dunno if anyone else caught this, but how Carcetti was sighing when he found out Tyrion is Dany's Hand?

 

[RDreamer]

I will concede that Euron was perhaps introduced too late and Dany took way to long to get to Westeros, and now their plots feel slightly rushed. Perhaps the show spent too much time spinning its wheels during the middle seasons. However, some posters here are so excessively negative I have to wonder why you even bother watching. It reminds me of the book OT at times, which is basically unreadable, because people seem to tune in just to bash every aspect of the production. Misery sure seems to love company in here.

Because the first three seasons were fucking amazingly phenomenal and even if there's some gutter trash in these last ones fans of those seasons still want to see what happens. On top of that the show became a pretty big social phenomenon and people want to keep up and discuss things. It's really not such a hard thing to grasp.

 

[TimeEffect]

The last two episodes this season are 71 and 81 minutes long. All of the runtimes are listed in the OP.
It's unclear when they're going to have it ready. They said it'll either be 2018 and 2019, and they'll know more once they do some of the writing and preliminary production planning.

So thats pretty much like an extra episode.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

You're right in that the book isn't the worst part, and it would maybe be better phrased as "finding a cure and applying it".
It plays into my issue with the episode at large, it presents a problem just to have characters overcome/counter it in the next scene.

And what makes it worse is that we haven't heard about this maester before, or this method to cure advanced greyscale. It is, like I've said repeatedly, unbelievably convenient that Sam finds and applies a hitherto never mentioned way to cure greyscale in under a day.

See above.

That's the whole theme of the Citadel plotline. The maesters do have all this knowledge just sitting there, but don't share it because they see the realm at large as idiots, or are too afraid to apply it.

You're not wrong that we went from scoopin' poop to curin' cancer pretty fucking quickly, though.

 

[RDreamer]

That's the whole theme of the Citadel plotline. The maesters do have all this knowledge just sitting there, but don't share it because they see the realm at large as idiots, or are too afraid to apply it.

DEEP STATE!

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

DEEP STATE!

Oh heck the Maesters are white walkers!

 

[The Artisan]

So thats pretty much like an extra episode.

not really, seems more like a half an episode extra.

 

[Psychoward]

Runtimes in the OP wrong? It was only 55 minutes for me, instead of the 59 in the OP.

59 minutes with the previously on segment

 

[zeemumu]

Anyone else find it weird that they've got all of this other technology but are apparently just now getting around to inventing the ballista?

 

[Gleethor]

Seems like a lot of people are getting confused by the "that's not you" line.

 

[toastyToast]

Why the hell was that Sand Snake whipping an armoured Euron?

 

[Conkerkid11]

Anyone else find it weird that they've got all of this other technology but are apparently just now getting around to inventing the ballista?

That whole reveal was dumb as fuck. Dude revived a guy from the dead, so I'm pretty sure everybody was expecting something else.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

That whole reveal was dumb as fuck. Dude revived a guy from the dead, so I'm pretty sure everybody was expecting something else.

"We're working on a solution!"

...

"We're going to fucking shoot them!"

 

[Regginator]

Actually it starts that way but changes to the picture i posted 5 seconds later.

Yes, I know. But I just meant to say my pic and yours are the same thing, it's just that the clouds or whatever that is kinda obscures the image.

Anyway, this is a second or two after yours, when the camera pans out southwards. Pardon the shitty pic, I couldn't pause it at a perfect time, but you get the idea:

 

[Zutrax]

That whole reveal was dumb as fuck. Dude revived a guy from the dead, so I'm pretty sure everybody was expecting something else.

Maybe it was anti-climactic, but I feel like reviving a dragon from nothing but bones may have been a bit... far reaching for how reserved the magic in this show seems to be. I'm thinking (hoping) they're going to down a dragon, then zombify the fresh corpse of one.

 

[Heshinsi]

"We're working on a solution!"

...

"We're going to fucking shoot them!"

The dumbest thing about all this is that in 300 years, the only people to figure this out are Qyburn and you know Dorne lol.

 

[effzee]

It is not unbelievable that someone found a book on a topic in a library.

but how come they didn't show him reading every book until he found the right book?

 

[zeemumu]

Maybe it was anti-climactic, but I feel like reviving a dragon from nothing but bones may have been a bit... far reaching for how reserved the magic in this show seems to be. I'm thinking (hoping) they're going to down a dragon, then zombify the fresh corpse of one.

I think that's going to happen, but not for Cersei

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

but how come they didn't show him reading every book until he found the right book?

He was reading a bunch on defeating WWs's army. So not far fetched that he looked at disease books to find a potential method.

 

[aBarreras]

He was reading a bunch on defeating WWs's army. So not far fetched that he looked at disease books to find a potential method.

i think hes being facetious because, we really dont need them to show that

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

but how come they didn't show him reading every book until he found the right book?

Even I can't explain that away. We'll have to wait for the 47-hour deleted scene.

 

[LukasTaves]

Was that

Spoiler

Yara

hanged on the boat after

Spoiler

Theon

jumped in the water?

 

[zeemumu]

"We're working on a solution!"

...

"We're going to fucking shoot them!"

"We're working on a new type of ammunition called 'Black Arrows'. We here that a man in lake town was able to kill a dragon twice their size with nothing but an arrow, some rope, and a small child, although we've upgraded the design by replacing the small child with a wooden base to aim the arrow."

 

[Sokka]

Was that

Spoiler

Yara

hanged on the boat after

Spoiler

Theon

jumped in the water?

No, that was a Sand Snake.

 

[Zolo]

Was that

Spoiler

Yara

hanged on the boat after

Spoiler

Theon

jumped in the water?

That was the two sand snakes.

 

[Redhood]

We know mountain is totally gonna rape that last sand snakes girl in front of her mother.

 

[Elandyll]

but how come they didn't show him reading every book until he found the right book?

Maybe because the book was in the "Greyscale" section of the library, and not a forbidden book?

As the Maester said, they just consider the treatment as too involved, uncertain and too dangerous for the physician to be applicable.