HeavenlyStriker
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damn hype ass season so far
im entertained
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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That was Arya's wolf from season one. It ditched her because it doesn't recognize Arya as a member of it's pack, nor does it accept Arya as a Stark. Either that or Arya is actually the Waif.
The Artisan
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Jon is stronger than Ned was. Does Carcetti even know about his resurrection?
dude no, we have discussed this several times in the thread already,
nymeria doesnt want to go to winterfell and be a pet a domestic dog, just much like arya didnt wanted to be a lady and marry some lord
thats not them
if nymeria didnt recgonized her, arya would be dead
You're using the wrong definition of recognize. I know the wolf knows who Arya is, it doesn't acknowledge Arya's validity, try some reading comprehension.
Second, nothing you said opposes the idea of what I said. It's both.
And the Waif comment was a joke.
The Artisan
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dude, thats what the creators of the show said
And? I didn't say it was wrong, lol. I said it's more than that. They even spell it out in the show when she says (paraphrase) "You've chose your pack."
She doesn't say that, she says, "it's not you", which aBarreras has explained why that was said.
Nothing to do with packs or recognition.
That seems poorly handled then. As the wolves are the most blatant metaphors in the entire series. And do represent the children's relationship to their family/pack.
The Artisan
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It's a call back to an earlier scene in season one. And the metaphor is that nymeria won't be domesticated just like arya won't be a lady
which is why, i'm hoping, that's not the last we see of Nymeria...
yeah i really hope it wasnt just a "look we didnt forget about nymeria!" because with their recent handly of ghost it seems they dont care about the direwolfs anymore
The Artisan
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where the fuck even is ghost? 2 episodes in one can argue that they retconned the fucker right outta the show
Umm. Duh?
But thematically it'll make no sense unless Arya decides to outcast from the rest of the Starks going forward.
i will cut them some slack because Ghost being at the battle of the bastard would have mean its demise, so im fine with him not appearing in that episode, but season finale and these 2? where th fuck is Ghost
thematically means that both of them do whatever the fuck they want, so it fits
neurosisxeno
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Pretty sure he hasn't been seen since the first episode of Season 6.
The scene where Jon is being crowned King of the North and it pans out with him standing behind the table would have been so much more badass with Ghost sitting at the foot of the table in front of him.
CG budget spent on wolves, dragons fly away, CG budget spent on dragons, wolves run away.
D&D have already said they've eschewed putting the direwolves in scenes because of the cost ever since needing to show dragons more.
It works on a character level but not in the broader familial sense. We already know Arya does whatever she wants, it's been that way since season one. What is less clear is Arya's current relationship with her family and what to expect with it going for. Reiterating her most basic character trait is a waste of goddamn writing.
It works on a character level but not in the broader familial sense. We already know Arya does whatever she wants, it's been that way since season one. What is less clear is Arya's current relationship with her family and what to expect with it going for. Reiterating her most basic character trait is a waste of goddamn writing.
It's not about her family, at all. It's about not being tamed, about Arya not being some lady for some Lord in some castle with some shitty princes and princesses like Sansa wanted, that's not her. Nymeria is a Direwolf, she wants to be out in the wild being what she is supposed to be, she doesn't want to be tamed. Neither of them want the lives that others tried to put them into.
"Didn't recognize Arya as a Stark?" lol
Arya recognizes herself as a stark. That was literally a pivotal part of her journey. The wolf scene made no such determination to the contrary.
It was meant to draw a parallel. Arya is feral and unlady like. Just as her wolf Nymeria. The wolf became what was in it's nature just as Arya did. Nymeria is a wolf and Arya is a wolf (Stark). Arya is going to reunite with her pack, byt Nymeria already has a pack of its own.
Arya recognizes herself as a stark. That was literally a pivotal part of her journey. The wolf scene made no such determination to the contrary.
It was meant to draw a parallel. Arya is feral and unlady like. Just as her wolf Nymeria. The wolf became what was in it's nature just as Arya did. Nymeria is a wolf and Arya is a wolf (Stark). Arya is going to reunite with her pack, byt Nymeria already has a pack of its own.
I'm sure this is a book thing but I always thought it was a bit odd how they were lions but no one has ever spoken about actual lions in the show. Like, are they alive some or have they all died out? Are they still in Essos?
Nameless
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Depends how far you stretch the metaphor, but I agree. Especially when Arya literally stood at a crossroad and chose to go home to her pack a few scenes earlier.
The Artisan
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yah. this isn't fair.
thanks, now you just ruined the s6 finale for me for thinking of this alternate
why can't HBO just give them a bigger budget??? they clearly would still profit from it
victreeb3l
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Seriously. What a missed opportunity.
The wolves are always about her relationship to her family always. For the writers to fail to establish this meaning in a key scene with a wolf is failure on their writing. I don't care about any appeal to what the "show runners" think, they are dead and don't matter.
Seductivpancakes
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They keep saying Dany has fully grown dragons, but do we really know that? It's not like they're dragon experts. None of the maesters have actually seen em.
Brazzers pls
WHAT IS WORSE, IS LADY MORMONT CALL HIM THE WHITE WOLF WITHOUT EVEN SHOWING HIS GODDAMN WHITE WOLF THERE.
it was like a no brainer scene
The Artisan
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i feel like, Jon's direwolf itself was a clue at his Targaryen heritage. All the other direwolves had mixed coats, but Jon's was all white, like the Targaryen's hair
yes!
This death of the writers thing is such a cop out when the scene specifically shows what it's about, then they say that it's about that, but you disagree with them and pulling out "death of the author" somehow means you're correct over the show creators.
The scene was about them being who they are and not being tamed. You're trying to insert a circle into a square peg. If you REALLY want some family parallels, then read televator's post, which does a better job doing that then you just ignoring D&D because you feel like it.
Where is Ghost?
"Everyone just keep chanting and maybe he won't notice the Ghost budget is in the very next scene."
"THE KING IN THE NORTH THE KING IN THE NORTH THE KING IN THE NORTH THE KING IN THE NORTH THE KING IN THE NORTH...How long until he stops looking for Ghost? THE KING IN THE NORTH THE KING IN THE.."
Nameless
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Definitely. Grey Wind always made Robb look like a bigger deal than he was. I hate we haven't gotten to see King Jon with his wolf.
Diprosalic
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The wolf scene is fine and makes sense but it was made because they didn't want a giant ass cg wolf next to arya the rest of the season.
lastplayed
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Theon will get picked up by the Kraken, then we can have a giant monster fight!
sad but true
its kinda nuts, that the BIGGEST SHOW OF OUR TIME has budgets constrains >_>
Who?
he calls littlefinger that way because it is a character the actor played on another show, its kinda annoying, but harmless i guess
The Artisan
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I have a habit of calling petyer baelish littlefinger - Carcetti
it's just force of habit. if it was bothering you then you should've told me. there were people in the iron fist thread calling harold meachum faramir and i rolled with it
victreeb3l
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Plus if Ghost was next to Jon Snow during the town halls, all of these Lords would think twice about defying him. It really does make him way more badass.
Whatever CGI budget theyre saving now better be used for when Ghost rides one of Danys dragons and they go on a fucking rampage together.
Dude seriously. No CG needed, just zoom in on the face of a white ass wolf. Done.
Whatever CGI budget theyre saving now better be used for when Ghost rides one of Danys dragons and they go on a fucking rampage together.
Dude seriously. No CG needed, just zoom in on the face of a white ass wolf. Done.
imean its fine, just a fast google and we are set, like i said it is pretty harmless
No. The metaphor falls apart completely when you have a reunion of Arya with her family as representing her pack, and Nymeria choosing a different pack instead of going back to Arya. The extremis of the metaphor will only make sense if Arya doesn't reunite with the Starks in the end, but instead goes off with possibly the Brotherhood. Which may happen then I'll concede to the Wolf scene not being a waste.
A wolf and a dragon in one scene!? HBO just went bankrupt because of that sentence.
The Artisan
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I'll be very upset if Arya goes to the bannerless instead of her brother and sister.
Heisenberg
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Kind of annoying the narrative of the story is being dictated by the CGI budget. Made some sense in early seasons but considering how huge the show is now I would have thought they could make it work better.
Why do you keep trying to make this about her family, though? Arya being tamed is not about her love for her family, she wants to be with them again, going back to her "pack" doesn't tame her, just like Nymeria going back to her's doesn't either. Nymeria going with humans is being tamed, Arya becoming a lady and going against her nature, like she asked Nymeria to do in this episode, is being tamed. The metaphor of being tamed doesn't crumble if she goes back to her family, it only crumbles because you're trying to make the metaphor in that scene something it wasn't. This is not a failing of the show or its writers, but you trying to see something that is not there.
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