Dubbedinenglish
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Wait, so how did Jorah Fedorah wind up back in Westeros, I thought he was still on the other side of the world.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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I got temp banned in this thread last year for even alluding to the fact that the b**ks were different from the show
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Greyscale makes you an incredible swimmer.
There is no real explanation how he got there. He just went there, probably to see if the Maesters knew a cure, or so that Maesters could use him as a research subject.
On a boat, I imagine.
I mean, literally every character of consequence who was in Essos last year is now in Westeros. Why not him?
CountAntonius
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Yeah it's silly how worked up it's getting people. Dude looks the part lol.
Will the Thrill
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Well that's another show, to me the montage really felt out of place for Game of Thrones. I think Arya had one last season as well focused on training. Other than those have they ever even done them? It was just jarring and IMO not funny. You could totally have a scene without that that still shows off the mundane/annoying shit (No pun intended) Sam goes through at the citadel leading up to the part with him and the locked area.
Jon is, like, "wait, why am I actually being smart right now? I'm not killing people because of idiotic tradition, it's almost like my dad isn't even Ned".
LEAVE ED SHEERAN ALONE
Just completely took me out of the episode because i knew that it was ed sheeran..took me out of the game of thrones world if that makes sense. Immersion breaker?
DragoonKain
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I haven't even read the books.
TimeEffect
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I still find the Daenaryes storyline to be the weakest and she just annoys me as a result. Im still really confused as to how she got so many soldiers who obey her so easily. Surely they have their own inter-fighting, which would be tedious to show I know, but it still feels all so easy how she has allies, how she got the eggs, how she wasn't killed considering how vulnerable she was in a foreign land.
Im also just not a fan of her since her dad was evil and all that, so Im obviously not cheering for her arc.
But from what I gather, it feels as if the conflicts are supposed to be put to the side as everyone unites against the Walkers, right?
Man Im so anxious about how all of this unfolds and how it all ends. A part of me just wants to see everyone be friends and defeat the white walkers and live in peace forever, but I know it's going to be a long road of anxiety lol.
Im also just not a fan of her since her dad was evil and all that, so Im obviously not cheering for her arc.
But from what I gather, it feels as if the conflicts are supposed to be put to the side as everyone unites against the Walkers, right?
Man Im so anxious about how all of this unfolds and how it all ends. A part of me just wants to see everyone be friends and defeat the white walkers and live in peace forever, but I know it's going to be a long road of anxiety lol.
She's killing them all.
Remember that scene after the red wedding where she finds Frey soldiers talking shit about the starks? and how she killed all of them? (with the help of the hound) . This is a mirror, a takeback, they are going to show us our little girl Stark is gone
I think i's important for her character development. It shows that there's some humanity in her still even after she's killed dozens of people. She was going to kill them all until they befriended her.
This actually has me more worried about Sansa. I was expecting here to be agreeing with LF early on, and then making the pivot back towards Jon at the end. If she's being a smartass to LF in the first episode right off the bat, that means that if there's fuckery to go done with Sansa, she'd be hopping on the LF express mid season. I don't see them going back and forth with this :/
I thought she intended to pass through. She didn't even want to join them.
The Lannisters are a single house. How do you expect them to guard the West (their base) and King's Landing, reinforce the Freys and keep the borders of the Crown Lands with the Reach and Dorne protected, plus take and hold Dragonstone at the same time?
So privileged and entitled, that she started the show being sold into slavery by her abusive brother to a barbarian. Don't knock her for achieving things in spite of her beginnings. Every single person supporting her, all her advisors, her dragons, and the Unsullied, support her without coercion, without fear, and because they genuinely like her.
Nope, that scene never happened. I haven't heard the word "white walker" mentioned to Dany ever.
Watch it be Daario that fuck boi.
She's killing them all.
Remember that scene after the red wedding where she finds Frey soldiers talking shit about the starks? and how she killed all of them? (with the help of the hound) . This is a mirror, a takeback, they are going to show us our little girl Stark is gone
I think this being a mirror of that scene is why she won't kill them, the other guys had it coming in the eyes of the audience, these dudes are just normal guys who helped out a stranger. If she kills them, then it's to reinforce that she is completely heartless then, but I don't think she will kill them because the show is trying to tell us that she still has a heart deep down.
DragoonKain
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I honestly didn't even know who Ed Sheeran was until I heard people talking about him. I looked him up and never heard of him or his music.
molnizzle
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My wife told me. She was like "wtf it's Ed Sheeran." I had to ask who he was.
Felt good.
The One and Done
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Who?
TimeEffect
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The time travel stuff is so intriguing to me, but I hope it doesn't get ruined by getting too heavy handed.
Im still confused about it all, but its really fascinating how its written. Didn't realize Bran was Lord of Light, when was this alluded to?
Are you saying the mad king heard voices, which were Brans? Why? How?
I assume there really is a Lord of Light and something opposite to it, but I don't expect gods to play a direct role in anything.
DragoonKain
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Assuming there will be some type of a war or major battle vs the White Walkers-which there may not be, we simply don't know, but I'd find it hard to believe they built this up for this long for it to end with a handshake truce or a negotiation. But assuming there is a war, the writers have to keep as many "special" characters alive for as long as possible, as they will all be necessary to defeat the White Walkers to some capacity.
In theory anyway.
In theory anyway.
Hes literally the number 1 musician in the entire world right now lol
molnizzle
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They didn't really allude to it, I'm just speculating after what happened with Hodor. Doesn't seem too far-fetched that Bran tries to go back and warn the "Mad King" about the coming winter, which actually causes the mad king to turn into the Mad King. Nothing beats winter like fire. Burn them all. A Song of Ice and Fire. etc.
Just speculating. Seems like a Game of Thrones ass move.
WesternHeretic
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Have you not been to a wedding within the last 5 years? That's one place where you can't avoid his music.
The One and Done
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Um...I think the answers to your questions are quite obvious. Some of them were blatantly answered as well. Very odd these questions given your handle...
As for Bran being the Lord of Light I think it's highly probable. We know Bran can communicate through time and space. We also know his messages are not exactly loudb and clear. In fact, his communication has only caused confusion for characters impacted. It seems highly likely that he's been trying to communicate in various other ways and it continues to be misinterpreted or causes tragedy.
They ah, actually don't seem to mind following someone who isn't a dick to them. It isn't a novel idea. It's easy for people to follow you when you're not a giant cunt to them. You're not a fan of her because of her father? Hmm, well Jon's dad is Rhaegar Targaryen, which makes the Mad King his grandpa. Let me guess, you don't like him too right?
Milkncooke
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Bran can't change the past. Why would he try to warn the mad king when the mad king is dead? He can't help them now.
DragoonKain
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I've completely cut myself off from mainstream music. I heard my first Adele and Lady Gaga songs last year, no joke.
molnizzle
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GoT is playing with "whatever happened happened" rules. So if Bran did go back in the past and "change" something, that change is already part of history. He can only do things he has already done. It's an endless loop.
TimeEffect
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The One and Done;243676188 said:
Lol. I mean, why does Bran go back to the Mad King, and how? I mean, the time paradox is confusing, so how will that be explained and not be a total mess.
How is that statement correct, when we saw Bran fuck with past Hordor, while turning him into the adult Hordor we've come to know?
Captin Quacker
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so does anybody know where
that place was Clegane was talking about when he looked into the fire?
Unless he was screaming burn the corpses! Kings Landing was built on a Targarian burial site!
All they have to do is show Bran going back and messing with things that cause what we know have already happened. We knew Hordor had that weird speech thing, but we didn't know why.
The One and Done
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Once you introduce time travel to any story it inevitably causes a paradox.
East Watch, maybe? I'd have to watch the scene again to know for sure if that fits his description.
molnizzle
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Right.
Bran was probably also Brandon the Builder, one of the First Men, the founder of House Stark, and architect of The Wall itself.
imo
That's consistent with the idea that the Mad-King was only mad because Bran had messed with his mind in the future.
Robdraggoo
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There are 16 castles along the wall. One is east watch by the sea. Coincidently the same place tormund is going to.
The One and Done
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By definiton that means the timeline we're seeing is one altered by Bran.
That was incidental to his presence there. It's the type of time travel where the results of messing with the past are already felt in the present before being messed with. Therefore, the Mad King being mad is already felt, so you could reason that trying to contact him is pointless.
The One and Done™;243676602 said:
But if Bran knows it, which he should (cuz Hodor), then he has zero reason to try and change anything thus it wouldn't become altered (cept Hodor).
Yeah I know, the show has been anything but subtle about its intentions with these scenes, but being this the final road, this is the kind of "shock" they look for, and Arya's road has been very rough, and it makes no sense she is going to kill the lannister queen with the help of lannister soldiers. She is going to kill the queen regardless of that, including killing lannister soldiers with babies, lannisters soldiers with hope, that is the whole point of it.
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I always thought the Lord of Light was The Stranger from The Seven since no one prays to him.
Also, the one who warned The Mad King was the three-eyed raven, who was his brother. That's why he told Bran it's not a good idea to change the past.
I'm not sure what you are saying, but I can think of a couple of potential reasons to contact a Targaryen. Maybe that's how people learn secrets about dragonglass or anything related.
Though, didn't the Three-eyed Raven before Bran have the same powers? So it could have been his fault.
Milkncooke
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Bran interacting with Hodor in the past didn't change Hodor's fate, it was his fate. Also a lesson to Bran not to fuck with the past.
Whatever Bran does in the past has already happened. So what exactly is he going to try to make the mad king do? It's already happened so he won't need to make contact with the mad king unless he knows he has to.
Whatever Bran does in the past has already happened. So what exactly is he going to try to make the mad king do? It's already happened so he won't need to make contact with the mad king unless he knows he has to.
The One and Done
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Yeah to many "coincidences". Bran The Builder, building the Wall, Winterfell etc. It would be messed up if he ultimately realizes the Walkers win so he goes back in time to ensure his birth and path to ravenry and get a second chance. Hell that may be the very timeline we're witnessing now.
molnizzle
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Bran probably has to learn that lesson for himself though. He's the three-eyed raven now.
I think that'll happen after he tries to alter history by warning the Mad King, but all he does is create the Mad King. That'll be the point where he realizes his role in this time loop. Then he'll go back and build The Wall, etc.
TimeEffect
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But that all just feels fairly simple because it's an army of people who have no character or thought. They just are a huge powerful number who obey Dany, except for that one commander dude who seems to get some character.
And if Im not remembering incorrectly, she amasses other soldiers and ex-slaves.
Dany's whole thing is to resume her father's role, even though he was mad, and I just didn't care much for how quick and easy her rise all felt. Its always felt like one convenient thing after another, and it always felt quite different in quality to the other stuff.
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