wesleyshark
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Dany is really starting to embrace being a Targ.
That is not going to end well for her.
That is not going to end well for her.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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SuperStiltzkin
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CaviarMeths
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People keep saying "burned alive" as if it's not a fast, efficient, effective method of execution here. The Tarlys died in less than 2 seconds. Would you say that Ned Stark was "beheaded alive"?
I think it's because dead are burned in several cultures, but they are not beheaded after death.
Muppet of a Man
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I feel like Jon at least will be able to resist that temptation. All signs point to his father Rhaegar being a stand-up guy, after all.
DragoonKain
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Crazy off the wall theory that has zero chance of happening and that I don't believe, but I'm gonna say it for bragging rights in case it does happen:
They bring a wight back to King's Landing. Qyburn studies it, learns about it, and figures out a way to extract something from it to give to Cersei to allow her to control the army of the dead herself. Cersei becomes the new main enemy, and Jon teams up with the Night King to stop Cersei and her now army of the dead.
I had a hard time typing that without laughing, but if it happens I get to say I called it!
They bring a wight back to King's Landing. Qyburn studies it, learns about it, and figures out a way to extract something from it to give to Cersei to allow her to control the army of the dead herself. Cersei becomes the new main enemy, and Jon teams up with the Night King to stop Cersei and her now army of the dead.
I had a hard time typing that without laughing, but if it happens I get to say I called it!
Kenzodielocke
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Oh man, next episode will be the episode 9 of this season...
2 LEFT.
2.
And we possibly have to wait 2(!) years for the last season.
2 LEFT.
2.
And we possibly have to wait 2(!) years for the last season.
Are people forgetting the fact that the Mad King didn't burn prisoners-of-war alive he literally just started burning anyone who disagreed with him. And that includes anyone he imagined disagreeing with him. And he didn't even kill then with Dragonfire he killed them with a normal fire.
wesleyshark
Banned
Lol right?
I liked the moment between Tyrion and Varys later on. That's the level of concern everyone should have right now, if not more.
If only Barristan Selmy was still around. Hopefully Dany doesn't keep this story from Jon when all is said and done.
newtypepilot
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that plan to go up north and capture a zombie back to KL is a really stupid. I guess it's all part of the plan to rush the story along because they have less episodes. I wonder if Benjen will show to help Jon. Or maybe....Drogon with the rescue as it has sensed Jon is a Targaryan.
chicko1983
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Great episode, I was cheering when Tormund took Jon to see the brotherhood guys and the mounted.Then when the door opened and they walked out, I was hooting and clapping my hands like a little kid.
What a team.
Jon (because he is the main character), Hound (needs to fight the mountain), Gendry (needs to make the weapons), and Tormund (to lead the free-folk) will all survive.
The rest will die. This includes Jorah unfortunately - there is a reason he didn't get given a valerian steel sword, because he will die to a white walker.
I dont get the note and why littlefinger wanted Arya to find it?
What a team.
Jon (because he is the main character), Hound (needs to fight the mountain), Gendry (needs to make the weapons), and Tormund (to lead the free-folk) will all survive.
The rest will die. This includes Jorah unfortunately - there is a reason he didn't get given a valerian steel sword, because he will die to a white walker.
I dont get the note and why littlefinger wanted Arya to find it?
Bits N Pieces
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Thanks for the replies, I completely forgot Sansa was standing with Joffrey watching her Dad get beheaded and Arya looking on.
Still does feel a bit forced but then again those two girls have been through a hell of a lot and we don't know what that could do to them.
Plotting to save his sister
Kenzodielocke
Banned
For the longest time I was more or less okay with how the handle their timelines, but it has gotten really bad this episode. Like, Samwell left in S5E10, right? It has been 3-4 years since then and I am betting my ass he'll arrive at Winterfell this season, too.
Inyourprime
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I agree that these are the only ones I see walking away alive. They're all useful and needed for the long night. Except for the hound though; I'm not sure if they're still committed to showing the hound and mountain fighting. I, personally, don't see the point any longer but... eh, we'll see, I guess.
And that letter arya found is the same letter Sansa wrote to Rob saying their father is a traitor and he needs to surrender.
I kind of feel that we are missing a scene (or maybe I missed it?) where someone justifies the need to convince Cersei about the "army of the dead". I understand why Jon needs Dany, but she seems willing to help him already, even letting Jorah go with him. So all of this is for the army at KL that is all the way down south and completely outclassed by Dany's own forces?
That was an amazing episode, these last two have really knocked it out of the park compared to the earlier parts of the season.
Jon having his parents marriage be revealed was a great touch and having the dream team all come together felt so, so good.
Gendry's return was good as well, it's been four years since he was part of the show but having him return with Davos making his rowing joke was perfect.
Jon having his parents marriage be revealed was a great touch and having the dream team all come together felt so, so good.
Gendry's return was good as well, it's been four years since he was part of the show but having him return with Davos making his rowing joke was perfect.
chicko1983
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The hound was resurrected so he has to be of some importance to the story.
So littlefinger wanted arya to find the note, to get her offside with Sansa?
ZehDon
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Terrific episode.
So, thoughts about the "Stand by Me" troupe off to get the body: Benjen Stark told Branden in S6 that he couldn't cross the wall. Something about the magic in it preventing him from crossing. If Jon and crew bag themselves a wight and bring it back across the wall, would that have an impact on that magic? We've seen wights at Castle Black, which I supposed is technically through the wall?
So, thoughts about the "Stand by Me" troupe off to get the body: Benjen Stark told Branden in S6 that he couldn't cross the wall. Something about the magic in it preventing him from crossing. If Jon and crew bag themselves a wight and bring it back across the wall, would that have an impact on that magic? We've seen wights at Castle Black, which I supposed is technically through the wall?
Inyourprime
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Pretty much. He saw how Sansa reacted when Arya was training with Briann. So he is trying to find a way to divide them. As far as I can see, it it's the only play he has right now.
Of course it'll all be for not as I think Bran is going to tell Arya or Sansa about it anyway.
HandsomeCharles
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You could take back a corpse that turns into a wight. That's how one got into castle black IIRC. That or go around the wall, or conveniently forget the magic thing..
3-4 years? Has it really been that long?
Better way to die than being hanged and turned into human popsicles at the wall *shrug*
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Those Tarlys also aren't just prisoners of war, they are oathbreakers. She could just as well have had Drogon maul them alive and it wouldn't have made a difference, their lives weren't worth anything from the moment they joined the Lannisters.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Judging by little Sam.
Davos is always the MVP.
theignoramus
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Show version of Dany reminds me of Vladimir Lenin, idealism and ruthlessness all in one. Lot of grey area to what she does. As ugly as that Tarly burning scene was, she did give them a choice and when they were burned, they went out pretty quick.
Napoleonthechimp
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Bran already crossed it and we know that doing so with the Night King's mark destroys protective magic.
theignoramus
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They had a choice. Pride or die. They chose pride. Their death was fairly quick. They didn't suffer too much.
Benjen couldn't cross with them, though.
I guess that scene wanted us to have a little doubt about Dany? Or at least for Tyrion? Otherwise I have no idea what the point of Dickon's burning was, it felt a bit stupid as it is.
Napoleonthechimp
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I don't think he knew about the mark and how that impacts the magic. Could be wrong though.
Jorah won't just die to a white walker, he'll end up being proof. Then creepy Frankenstein Maester will try to restore his humanity somehow to extract information about Dany and her crew.
I swear if I'm anywhere close to right about this, I'll laugh like an idiot.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
So, I hope Benjen joins them.
Inyourprime
Member
Heh.
Yeah. The writing has not been that great since they no longer have the books to lean on.
CrowdChant
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So now that episode from last season should be retitled: Battle of the Bastards*
*Some participants may not be bastards.
*Some participants may not be bastards.
I think it's more likely Cersei will find a way to be able to communicate with the Night King through the captured dead and strikes a deal with him as the WW are the only possible way she can defeat Dany and retain the Iron Throne. Either by partnering in marriage to become the Night Queen or perhaps something to do with letting her and Jaime's royal baby be turned into a Walker as we've seen happen with babies before(perhaps as a "Night Prince" to succeed the throne).
Remember we've seen Dany's vision of the iron throne in a barren, frozen state.
It's possible, but I'd think they talked about what happened at the tree while they were walking to the wall.
That would make sense, actually.
Yeah people seem to be forgetting that they essentially gave their army to the Lannisters to then fuck over their own people. You can't trust an oathbreaker, one who has no legion.
Maybe that was just a hint at the D getting the Snow down?
Betting that line from the trailer "the pack survives but the lone wolf dies" will appear in the next episode. Sansa will say it to Arya when she is being accusatory about that letter. Hopefully Sansa will have the wits to ask Arya where she got the letter from, because if she knows that Arya got it from Littlefinger then she should be able to deduce that he made a play against her by drawing attention to the letter
Napoleonthechimp
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Benjen left them before Bran crossed so at that point the magic was still in place. The show made a point to show the Night King shattering the protective magic at the cave for a reason. He'll do the same to the wall.
Gendry is a fucking badass. I was getting so hype when the two pawns appeared. Not only did they deliver hammery goodness, but we got more Davos dialogue as well. Bless this show.
Eh, there's a ton of schlocky stuff in the series. Best not to take it seriously and just enjoy the ride.
Eh, there's a ton of schlocky stuff in the series. Best not to take it seriously and just enjoy the ride.
chicko1983
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That makes sense why Tyrion gave him that coin to return when he gets back.
I bet once he is restored he meets up with Tyrion and gives him that coin - that will be in season 8 though.
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