The Artisan
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do I just have to keep watching episode 1 every day till the next episode to fucking wait it out
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
The Artisan
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valid point.
I like this.
I don't remeber this being mentioned. If i recall Jon was the one kinda jealous of Robb, he being the Ace at everything but also admired him because of it.
Cathelyn was the one that actually shunned if not outright hated Jon.
darkstar0155
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Yes I like this too.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
He's still a Stark by blood through Lyanna. I assume he would be considered the rightful heir to Winterfell if Bran weren't alive.
She insults Tommen's memory because he slighted her when he killed himself.
Pretty sure she is evil.
Whether she went full evil due to her mind breaking, or that she always was, might be left to discussion I guess.
But in the course of 6+ seasons... Have we -ever- seen her doing anything just basic nice, decent or compassionate? (Outside of her own kids/ Jamie)
Ever?
The Artisan
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No.
ComputerBlue
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She was always evil but it's clear that we've seen her mind deteriorate as the story progressed.
On Sansa's wedding to Tyrion, she tried to prevent Joffrey from tormenting Sansa, by suggesting he go and socialise with Margaery.
In fact Cersei and Sansa had a great, complex relationship. There were many times Cersei seemed to pity her, I imagine she saw herself in her. And then there were other times were she was cruel to her.
Atomic Playboy
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The Artisan
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was that really for Sansa?
Nameless
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Dany's push to end slavery often left places worse than when she got there, and let's be honest, was more an excuse for conquest that her being fully altruistic. It's also not like she didn't kill innocents -- after all not every master was responsible for the Walk of Punishment but she indiscriminately tortured/executed scores of them just the same. I also recall Tyrion expressing to her the problem with killing those devoted to her, so it's not like she's above that either. Jorah and Ser Barristan talked her down from taking the easy, most violent approach on multiple occasions.
Her lack of regard for Westoros by unleashing dragons and a super army on a starving country that's been decimated by years war(and now Winter) also speaks to her selfishness and recklessness. I'm not calling her evil either for the record, but let's not act like she hasn't done her share of narly shit.
Yes, I'm fresh out of a 6 season rewatch.
It was clear Joff was getting up with a grin on his face to pester Sansa and Cersei immediately grabs him.
Was blowing up the Sept basic nice?
I feel like this was them reminding us there are no happy endings in this world. Fully prepared for the series finale ending with the last few heroes dying and Winter & the dead claiming Westoros for good.
I bet the showrunners instead go safe and all the fan favorite characters (Dany, Jon, Tyrion) and remaining people of 'good morality' will somehow make it to the end while all the villains get some kind of karmic deaths with action movie one-liners. Except heroes who make heroic self sacrifices (probably the Hound, Jorah, etc)
Sansa would come before him, so he would be 2nd in line for Winterfell.
Pagusas
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She tried to have Ned's life spared.
Now that Bran is back he'd also be above John and Sansa, righ
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Sansa certainly "admires" Cersei. Sansa's hair this season matches Cersei from season 3.
Sansa wears it better. Probably because its not an obvious wig.
That was purely to prevent a war and to get the best possible outcome (get Jaime back alive/unharmed).
Robdraggoo
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I dont think that's how that works lol
Im not so sure about the Night King.
Don't remember in which interview, but GRRM stated "A hero is a villain of the other side". To whatever race the Night King came from, the Night King is their hero and we still don't know his (?) true motive.
Robdraggoo
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Bran has a penis. So that automatically puts him above sansa
Atomic Playboy
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All he's trying to do is kill everyone and turn them into his army of mindless ice zombie slaves. Is that truly evil?
He's actually Bran trying to stop our Bran from unravelling space and time any further.
I think that was just meant for Joffrey to not make a public reprehensible ass of himself like always. Cersei's way is make her enemies look bad and not herrself. Play it politically and be a reprihensible ass on the inside.
ComputerBlue
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He knows winter is coming and is sparing the living from a slow cold death by giving them immunity to cold.
Yeah I know. But knowing GRRM, there is more to the Night King than that.
Yeah, the poster I was quoting was talking about Jon(if his true parentage was revealed)
It would be Bran as King in the North, with Sansa his heir until he had a child, Jon would be next in line after Sansa.
More for political reasons though.
As mentioned above, seems she had pity for Sansa, once.
SiegfriedFM
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Not if you are a mindless ice zombie slave and want more company.
As for Hound and co, aren't they headed north? The Mountain isn't going anywhere.
The Artisan
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If i'm being honest, Dany was doing what she thought was right, not for an excuse of conquest. She didn't have anything to prove to her followers, they were already loyal to her. And she said to all the Unsullied that they will fight for her as free men, and free to walk away back to their families if they wish.
She is willing to hear her enemies out though. That one slave master that she ended up marrying, didn't want to hear what he had to say but eventually allowed him to bury his father. She really didn't want to open up the fighting pits but did so because her husband wanted it. But she hated it the needless killing.
She's also willing to hear out counsel. Dany said she wanted to burn cities to the ground and Tyrion was able to get her to understand how she sounds bonkers. She listened.
Honestly man, I think you just dislike Dany and of course you have the right to an opinion, but there's absolutely no fucking way I'll ever agree that Dany's actions are comparable and evil to Cersei.
that's true, I remember that - the only possible thing I could think of is Tyrion getting involved and Cersei not wanting Joffrey to deal with that.
Otherwise, considering how evil Cersei is, it is a bit out of character. Why would she care?
She didn't try hard enough, obviously, and stopped caring pretty quickly.
I think the white walkers are symbolic to global warming/climate change/human meddling. If I am right about this, I think that just reinforces the genius of GRRM.
Nameless
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You're acting like Tommen didn't betray her and sign her death warrant all after she gave him a second chance abandoning her the first time.
She took Sansa under her wing, comforted Cat in S1, and tried to spare Ned's life. She also showed legitimate regret/remorse at what Joffrey had become. Either way [the lack of] those qualities make her unlikeable, not evil. You can say similar things about people like Olenna and Tywin.
sonycowboy
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Benjen should be before Sansa and Jon right? I mean if Jon is released from the nights watch, then so should Benjen
The Artisan
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O.O
it almost sounds like you're saying that what Cersei says, believes, and does, are justified
The Artisan
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she ordered the killing of 100+ people when her son was still alive
Yeah, and those people were controlling her son's mind, to the point that he betrayed Cersei. Arya just killed, what, +50 people in the last episode? Is she evil, too? Killing people in Game of Thrones doesn't make someone evil, because if it did, everyone would be evil.
Netherscourge
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Jon Snow has TWO ruling houses of blood in him already.
He's a Starkgaryen.
He's a Starkgaryen.
Netherscourge
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Benjen should be before Sansa and Jon right? I mean if Jon is released from the nights watch, then so should Benjen
"Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come."
Did Benjen "die" like Jon? Or did he kinda-sorta cure himself before he almost kinda died? Is his "watch" still active?
DarkJediKnight
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Joffrey has been dead for years at this point. You must prepare the face for use. The show made that quite clear. Which means it has to be a fresh kill. I doubt Arya brought along a bunch of faces from Bravvos.
Dany's kill count is way higher than cercei.
Shes also a dishonest liar. She negotiated a deal with the unsullied trainer, then kill him without paying a dime.
sonycowboy
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The Artisan
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she was attempting to control her own son's mind too, you think she was a better influence on her son than his wife was? also, did those fucking people deserve to die?????
you're right, killing people in game of thrones doesn't make someone evil. killing innocent people makes you evil. the people arya murdered weren't innocent. the people cersei killed were. she didn't just do it for vengeance, she did it for power.
Yeah, Stark blood (ice) and Targaryen blood (fire). His parents story were love in secrecy.
He truly is a song of ice and fire.
Benjen's dead
Half-dead.
Either way, Ned was Warden of the North, not Benjen.
Rule of succession is Ned's children.
Netherscourge
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Benjen's dead
Did he fully die though?
Didn't the Three Eyed Raven save him though? Or one of those tree people?
The Artisan
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the people Dany got rid of made the world a better place, like how Tyrion said even though he didn't kill Joffrey, the world is a better place without him.
she was dishonest to another despicable Thrones character, a slave owner who thought of his own slaves as vermin. You don't think that he deserved to go?
I don't understand where these arguments are supposed to mean. Cersei had people killed for power and vengeance and to instill fear. Dany had people killed who deserved it.
Pagusas
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Well she did "give" him the dragon...
But yeah. Dany is evil. She might be evil for the "right" purposes, but the path to hell is paved in good intentions. She's a murdering evil woman. I'm hoping she is defeated by the end of the show, but I think she has plot armor.
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