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Game of Thrones - Season 2 - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Sundays on HBO
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BenjaminBirdie
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Yeah, I was dying. It was so spot on. I wish the show was more true to the food obsession so they could do another one. About the food.
(spoiler about number of Dany chapters in COK?)
Dany only has 5 chapters total in the book. Don't expect a lot from her because she doesn't really do much.
Agreed. I thought the Arya scenes were great this episode. People are complaining about needing to show her more, but I don't think they realize that over 1/5 of this episode was spent on Arya. She had like 10+ minutes in a 50 minute episode. She has the second most chapters in the book, so obviously they won't be able to show every detail of her arc. My only disappointment with it was that they should have had Arya actually kill someone in the battle.
Also, for people bitching about not seeing the war-torn countryside [ASOS]
this is just even more reason to NOT put the Red Wedding in season 3. Doing so would only force them to rush to that point, and they would be once again forced to condense Arya's travels through the Riverlands. If they put RW in season 4 and give season 3 some breathing room, we would have time to adequately show Arya's travels.
I genuinely LOLd.
For more humour I encourage you to visit Nathan Fillion's twitter where he is getting responses such as:
@NathanFillion Do you think a Lannister always spays his pets? #gameofthroneisms -- ethelthedean (@ethelthedean)
His Irish accent came out a lot when he got upset with Tyrion. It was pretty noticeable for me.
Also, it's kinda of a shame that they recast the mountain imo, the original actor looked perfect for the part. But yeah it's not a huge role so whatever.
They seem to be showing every detail of Tyrion. How much screentime did he get in this episode and the last vs Arya? In the book, she's just as much of a main character as Tyrion. In the show, it doesn't seem that way at all. At the point in the book where she went to Harranhal, it was her 6th chapter. She had more story than anyone else except Tyrion.
They aren't showing every detail of Tyrion. They've cut out a lot of the chapters where he walks across King's Landing to go fuck Shae lol. Also, Arya had just as much screen time this episode as Tyrion did, and only a bit less last episode. Everyone should know that they were going to have to make cuts with everyone, but it's only episode 3, so I think we should wait a bit and see what they're going to do with Arya's storyline before we damn the whole thing.
Arya's arc in Clash was my favorite in the book and one of my favorites in the series, but you just have to realize that they'll never be able to match the amount of detail and development that the novels have and take the show for what it is.
Harry Potter
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I would like Arya to have more minutes, hell I'd like Bran and Sansa to have more minutes also but we have to be realistic about it. I think Arya's scenes this episode were good, the reason some people are disappointed is because they are still figuring out how to do large scale fights involving multiple people properly. I think they have improved the one on one combat as we saw with Brienne and Loras.
Supermanisdead
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Too much time spent on Shae. I get that it's for Tyrion, but I can't stand her. I hope we get more scenes with Bran and Maester Luwin, they are great actors.
Last night's episode was excellent. My fiancee stays in the room while I watch it but she's usually just fucking around on her iPhone and not really paying attention but she commented on the show multiple times last night. A good sign. I think she really likes Arya which makes me happy since she is by far the best character in the series as far as I'm concerned.
The Elite
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Books keep getting bigger and the running time stays the same. Simple as that.
Absolutely, I've been surprised by the amount of time they have spent on Bran. I thought they were almost going to cut him out entirely, they've made every scene with him count so as to get the most for the few minutes he has. Oh and for some reason I enjoy watching Sansa and Shae arguing. I may be one of the few people that is not annoyed by either of them. I liked it better than that scene with Sansa eating dinner with the Lannisters that had all the bad acting. Sometimes Lena Headey looks good as Cersei and other times very odd.
They don't have many minutes to spare. The bigger problem I had with Lommy's death was that it was so obvious he was going to die in that scene. They should have made us believe that the Lannister soldier was actually kind of nice until the end when he slashes his throat. Oh and it should have been a slash to the throat instead of that strange needle piercing.
biosnake20
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Damn it feels good to be a Lannister.
Yep, if they're looking for places to make cuts, there's room for plenty. The pointless 5 minute brothel scene from episode 2 which wasn't in the books. Both the bedroom scenes of Renly/Loras and Renly/Margaery which weren't in the books. I would say it's a little more important establishing a connecton with Arya and showing what's happening in the Riverlands than making a new scene just to remind us that Renly is gay.
Just because a scene wasn't in the book doesn't mean it should be cut. TV is different than novels and you have to tell the story in a different way for it to be effective. That scene did more than just remind us that Renly is gay. And Arya is one of the most well-loved characters in the whole show, I think they are doing a fine job of establishing a connection with her.
I'm wouldn't say I'm happy about the condensing of Arya's story as I love those chapters, but I can understand them. It would have been nice to have an episode of her and the gang wandering around and seeing how the war is affecting the Riverlands, but I imagine the TV already considers this season to be slow paced so they might not react well to that. Its the sort of thing which works very well in the books but probably wouldn't translate so well to TV. Also, budget was clearly a factor in the skirmish at the end. As much as I'd have liked to see
, there are much more important scenes to funnel money into.
Arya hacking at people as they climb over the wall
The Lamonster
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I was really disappointed with the lack of that scene. It would have been really cool, with flames everywhere, etc. oh well
Emerson
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I think in the books Lommy died that way too, a stab rather than a slash.
[ACoK]
Only enough room in the budget for one fire-doused, wall-storming battle in this season.
It was still affecting if only due to the fact it's a little kid getting a sword through his throat. I didn't have a problem with it personally. Yoren was given an excellent death -- he was the absolute star of a good 5 minutes or more straight on top of all the other screen time he'd received. You really cannot ask for more on such a difficult and large-scale show like this.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Again, they have to pick and choose what they're going to develop. They're heavily playing up Renly & Loras's relationship for dramatic reasons, they also seem to have their own ideas about Margaery's character, which is fine as she's more or less a non-entity in A Clash Of Kings.
I'm not sure I like Alfie Allen as an actor, he sometimes seems to somehow just be out of his league during scenes... but I sure as fuck love the way he looks as Theon. Even if he wasn't quite as I imagine he'd look, he definitely has the air of what I'd feel a generic "Iron Islander" might look - and when he was standing on that rocky shore, disheveled, wet hair, he really looked like he had some iron and salt in him. I wish I could always believe his performance, though.
Also, Natalie Dormer looks SMOKING in this series... never hooked on her in Tudors. Me-ow.
Also, Natalie Dormer looks SMOKING in this series... never hooked on her in Tudors. Me-ow.
I liked this weeks episode.
Since I haven't read the books this thread is almost pointless to me, all you guys do is argue about changes being made an screentime characters have. How about just enjoying the show for what it is?
Maybe there should be a thread for people who only watch the show and haven't read the books... ;-)
Since I haven't read the books this thread is almost pointless to me, all you guys do is argue about changes being made an screentime characters have. How about just enjoying the show for what it is?
Maybe there should be a thread for people who only watch the show and haven't read the books... ;-)
Of course. And I disagree with what they're developing. So do many people. The new Renly scene is nowhere near as valuable or important as Arya's trek through the riverlands where they're bonding, seeing the devastation of the land, and struggling to survive.
I can't tell if you're winking because you know there already is a thread like that, or if you're winking because you're being sarcastic about your entire commentary and are making a statement about others who would issue such complaints in this topic
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They haven't made it clear that the war is already affecting the villages, but then again we haven't had THAT much warfare yet so if we suddenly had Arya going through three different villages per episode which have been raped by the war, I'm not sure if it'd feel right. ACOK/ASOS/AFFC
There's plenty enough time for that in ASOS, given how all Arya does in that book is travel. And after ACOK we've actually had the Blackwater battle, so I think that'd be the better spot to start showing the effects of war. Plus a big portion of AFFC is spent to really flesh out the Seven Kingdoms, the regular folk & everything that the war has done to them.
So... yeah, I really don't think it's a big deal that we aren't seeing much of how the war has ravaged the land. And, again, I think they want to have a bigger emphasis on Harrenhal with Arya's storyline. That's easier on the budget too, given that they can just build a set and keep shooting there instead of having to think of new shooting locations for each episode.
So... yeah, I really don't think it's a big deal that we aren't seeing much of how the war has ravaged the land. And, again, I think they want to have a bigger emphasis on Harrenhal with Arya's storyline. That's easier on the budget too, given that they can just build a set and keep shooting there instead of having to think of new shooting locations for each episode.
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Because she basically is? She's not the good girl she acts like when in public.
(ACOK)
The amount of screentime Renly is getting is baffling. He's gonna die next ep, and I doubt anyone will give a flying fuck. Whatever, my only worry is that they might shoehorn Margarey in later eps. I don't understand what are Benioff/Weiss worried about, the show has more than enough female characters for wimmenz to care about, if that's their problem.
What are you talking about?
Hahaha her character is so underdeveloped in the books you forgot that she basically is a huge whore. It actually made a lot of sense what she did in that scene.
But, I love the expanded nature of her character. Shows she's a schemer and mover just like the rest of the power hungry lot, and not some docile playing piece.
Edit: Also, I think it's kinda funny that Natalie Dormer's role in Tudors and Game of Thrones is not so far removed - both basically powerful scheming females desperate to get pregnant by their king so they can secure their position.
Yeah, I wonder where they're going with this.
Part of the charm of Feast is whether or not Margaery truly has a secret plan and if it's just Cersei's madness, which is not quite believable after making her more of a predator. I guess they could work around that, though. It would be cool if they "flesh out" Feast into Cersei vs Margaery.
Well (Series spoiler)
there's a little difference between "probably not virgin" and "I want to have a threesome with you and my brother". Not counting that her ambiguous "nature" is basically the center of half AFFC for god's sake.
She's what 15, 16 in the book at this point? I doubt she was much of a schemer. TV-Margarey is just a different character. She barely even exists in ACOK. I can already see how she'll keep popping up and wasting time through the rest of the season.
it's only 'ambiguous' if you thought Renly being gay and calling his guard "The Rainbow Guard" is also ambiguous, because it's pretty clear she is a total whore in the books if you are at all used to GRRM's written style.
You think being young excludes you from scheming? If anything, it's likely to make you more susceptible to scheming. And, actually, like Anne Boleyn's family, it makes sense that Margaery's family will have persuaded her how important moving up is to their families ambition, which by extension is her own ambition.
jett said:
You think being young excludes you from scheming? If anything, it's likely to make you more susceptible to scheming. And, actually, like Anne Boleyn's family, it makes sense that Margaery's family will have persuaded her how important moving up is to their families ambition, which by extension is her own ambition.
PhoenixDark
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Lommy wasn't important enough to spend multiple scenes "expanding" him; what is there to say about him, outside of him being a jerk to Arya initially, then getting killed?. Yoren had multiple scenes in S1 and S2, I thought he was handled well - and better than in the novels.
This episode was amazing. Best of the season easily. Highlights are everything including Theon, Tyrion's game and the way it was cut, and Bran's scene with Luwin. iirc it's the first ep this season where they don't force every major character into the 50 minutes, and the ep is better for it.
It's been a while since I read CoK, but the Arya changes don't seem that drastic to me.
Am I missing something essential here?
It's been a while since I read CoK, but the Arya changes don't seem that drastic to me.
They skip the part where Arya's spying on the soldiers, letting her hate grow. They just skip one step, kill off Lommy sooner and bring the party immediately to Harrenhal... Of course, for fleshing out Arya's character, it's too bad this had to be cut. Plot wise though, I could think of worse changes.
Am I missing something essential here?
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