It's more cost effective to spread development resources and risks over 3 SKUs for slightly more investment rather than hedging all bets on a single SKU. Better to develop less games and port them around rather than trying to support each platform with specific exclusive content too (hello Sega & Capcom).AssMan said:
Gamespy's #1 prediction for 2005: Nintendo will become cool again!
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TomthebombServo
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I dunno, dawg. What third party excluding the pimpin' Tecmo team ninja has gotten rich off XBox? Maybe you can help break down some 3rd party sales for us on XBox and Cube since you've obviously analyzed the situation coherently and feel both system's 3rd party games always do so poorly.
Bioware isn't a publsher though, and currently on Xbox they're a one hit wonder. LucasArts has actualy done on average better on GameCube than Xbox.Azih said:
If we're looking at only developers, Sonic Team and Amusement Vision have both done done really well financially almost entirely because of their GameCube support.
Guns N' Poops
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Jarrod fights his usual Gamecube fight.
Doom_Bringer
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jarrod said:
Show us a link.
Guns N' Poops
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jarrod said:I couldn't care less about GameCube honestly. Nice to see you in your usual role though.
I believe this news. That's why you never stop to whine about why there's so much unfairness to the Gamecube. Not that you are entirely wrong, but this nitpicking discussion shit around it is annyoing. Seriously, why even bother every time if you are happy with your handheld fast food.
Doom_Bringer
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And I fail to see this:
Someone please tell what the "rough treament" was!!
Jonnyram said:
Someone please tell what the "rough treament" was!!
If you were around 2 boards ago, you should remember anyway. I've no idea where to find that information now.Doom_Bringer said:
But if this is the burden of proof needed, can I get a link from anyone saying Sony holds an 8% stake in Square Enix? Because if I can't, then clearly they don't.
I don't whine about unfairness, I debate issues. Seems like a good thing to do on a gaming discussion board, certainly better than criticizing someone over doing it. Fanboi.Guns N' Poops said:
deadhorse32
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Doom_Bringer said:
PSTwo lack of HDD support would be one of them
Doom_Bringer
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Milhouse31 said:
So they will ditch PS3 just because of that?
deadhorse32
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It's just a guess but Square back in the day ditched Nintendo because they didn't listen to them about using Cd-Rom in the N64. Maybe they asked HDD support for the PSTwo and Sony gave them the finger.
who knows ?
who knows ?
Doom_Bringer
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Milhouse31 said:
hmm interesting stuff
worldrunover
Member
Nintendo's always BEEN cool!!!
*cries in corner*
TomthebombServo
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AniHawk said:
Uh...yeah. And there's a lot Ford F150 owners who feel they're on the "side of light" too, what's with the "light vs. dark" melodrama? If by "light" you mean Sony is light on respect for the 3rd parties they deal with (the same claim leveled against Nintendo which has been very true in the past and may still be somewhat now) then I see what you mean.
TomthebombServo
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AniHawk said:
AHHHH. My bad. I thought that conversation was still about Square/Enix defecting to Nintendo. Didn't realize it was a star wars joke.
TomthebombServo said:AHHHH. My bad. I thought that conversation was still about Square/Enix defecting to Nintendo.
It's okay. I was wondering why you were getting all defensive on LucasArts and taking me so seriously (and why your post made no sense in relation to what I said).
TomthebombServo
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AniHawk said:
Too bad you weren't cuz yeah...it was a fun vent. :lol
After the infamous MEGATON announcement I thought this forum might be tired guessing based on vague hints that never seem to pan out.
Anyway, I think I have teh answer.
Nintendo's revolution will have the 'coolest' sales of any previous Nintendo console and Square will start supporting Microsoft.
Anyway, I think I have teh answer.
Nintendo's revolution will have the 'coolest' sales of any previous Nintendo console and Square will start supporting Microsoft.
TomthebombServo
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But "Uncle Yamamoto's Old Timey Manga Quarterly" has an ad saying "Annuncement of Earth Shattering Revolution" is going to occur. I'd pay attention cuz they have connections, man!
radioheadrule83
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Guns N' Poops said:
Bare in mind I think you know full well some of the stuff I'll say here, so I don't intend to seem patronising:
But if people like Jarrod didn't post, there'd be complete dolts ranging from the misinforming moron to the clinically stupid saying all sorts of nasty things about this console or that console... people making dubious recommendations and condemnations of various games. And no one would challenge them. Know what we'd have then? Misinformed, unwittingly stupid people. It'd be an infectious plague, the likes of which even the IGN boards rarely sees.
And in any case, if you don't agree with someone or you feel something they're saying is wrong - then why not take them up on it? Isn't that what you're effectively doing in the post I've quoted above? Just because they're saying something positive about a company's product doesn't make it some mindless act of defence, or some act borne out of a twisted malignant love for a game company you hate.
AND not correcting people sucks. Cases in point:
1) Someone spinning things to their own agenda. i.e.: The spec sheets from the beginning of this generation and their poly counts. Raw polygons or realistic performance in-game?
2) Someone flies in the face of the facts. ie. A person buys new iPod mini. Tells people it holds more than regular iPods.
3) Someone flies in the face of objectivity and tells you that reality-TV cash-in horror story, My Little Eye, is better than the Godfather.
4) Someone flies in the face of subjectivity and argues one side in a pointless Star Wars VS Lord of the Rings debate.
I can see why anyone might be frustrated with the terminally brain-dead people who, by some invention of spastic neurones, manage to interface with their computers in order to post anti-Nintendo crap here. Or anti-Microsoft & anti-Sony crap for that matter. I can see why people are irritated when they read something that demeans or devalues their purchase when they don't necessarily agree. Ideally this would be a place of discussion and recommendation, devoid of spurious slander and childish fanboyism. As it's not an ideal world, this is what we get.
PS. G n' R fucking rule!
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
What I find interesting is that the defacto solution punits lay on the table for Nintendo to get back on top is to "beat" their so-called kiddie image. As if the only thing that ever "went wrong" with the balance of power in the entire gaming industry was Nintendo failing to become teh mature.
Personally, I suspect a big part of what really "went wrong" was a combination of Sony doing so damn good on their first try, and Nintendo goofing up with the N64 driving third-parties away - and not driving them away due to "teh kiddie" image, but the myriad of concrete factors that did the dirty deed.
I bet if Nintendo had allowed their image to grow as it has, right to the present with the current state of the Marionation, BUT had handled the N64 hardware and third-party problems differently, nobody would be moaning Nintendo is teh kiddie and d00med because of it.
Oh, the path not taken.
Personally, I suspect a big part of what really "went wrong" was a combination of Sony doing so damn good on their first try, and Nintendo goofing up with the N64 driving third-parties away - and not driving them away due to "teh kiddie" image, but the myriad of concrete factors that did the dirty deed.
I bet if Nintendo had allowed their image to grow as it has, right to the present with the current state of the Marionation, BUT had handled the N64 hardware and third-party problems differently, nobody would be moaning Nintendo is teh kiddie and d00med because of it.
Oh, the path not taken.
TomthebombServo
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whoops, double post
radioheadrule83
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Kaijima said:
Yeah, I don't think it's anything to do with a kiddy image either. The way the gaming media caught onto the kiddy thing probably made it a bigger deal than it really is.
While it's markedly improved over the N64 generation, they just don't have the third party support that their competitors do, particularly in the west. That means less games, less hype. The reluctance to move to optical discs when fighting PlayStation, and the lack of multifunctionality this generation against PS2 and Xbox hurt Nintendo too.
TomthebombServo
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Kaijima said:
I think for all the many factors we could go on forever about, many folks keep forgetting it's really almost as simple as Miyamoto convincing Yamauchi to skip the magnetic discs (someone else can elaborate on what this media was gonna be better than I can) in favor of cartridges. That one move ALONE drove away Square and almost all of Konami's support, then Square convinced Enix to leave and the rest is history. So it wasn't this "Ohhhh, stealthy Sony steadily stole Nintendo's thunder." If Nintendo had gone with the original discs for the N64 (or just plain ole CDROM) then Square for one almost certainly wouldn't have left. Not to say Sony didn't do an excellent job taking advantage of the situation. Then they were able to forge ahead of the N64's initial lead.
The kiddy thing HAS affected Nintendo greatly. Yes, there are other mistakes, but Sega showed and Sony amplified the fact that Nintendo isn't as cool with the mainstream. This, in turn, effected their image as a whole, their mindshare and thusly their marketshare. In the eyes of the mainstream, the press and even the gaming media GCN was in last before it even launched...why...'cos the kiddy attack started by Sega, amplified by Sony was only multiplied a million fold when Nintendo themselves unveiled the purple lil' cube with the fisher price controller. Enter X-BOX's unveiling to steal the "Dolphin's" thunder. Mistakes, yes...but image more than anything is Nintendo's greatest weakness. Even when it comes down to advertising (they've recently improved ad's greatly though) at GCN launch or generating hype in the press or doing anything to improve their image they have failed the most. Even DreamCast (despite it being premature, done by Sega, a company with many failures in it's past and the debt to prove it, etc.) was taken more seriously amoung gamers and the press. Image!
As far as Square leaving for Sony...yeah they might've stayed with Nintendo if CD's were the medium for N64, but I think around the time the SNES CD-ROM Sony/Nintendo fiasco Sony & Square talked. Alot of Square developers didn't like Nintendo's restrictions, nor did Square as a whole like being held back from breaking into the mainstream in the west and there were plenty of times near the end of the SNES life-cycle that showed Nintendo & Square were not getting along.
Also, it wasn't just Square trying to convince Mr. Yamauchi to go with CD's vs Mr. Miyamoto wanting carts...it had alot to do with alot of major Japanese publishers basically trying to tell Mr. Yamauchi what to do. Developers who were already starting to make games for the PlayStation. Namco's old president was said to have stormed out of Mr. Yamauchi's office raising hell saying that Nintendo would never see a Namco game on one of their systems again 'cos he could not convince Mr. Yamauchi to use CD's in the Ultra 64. Soon after Namco *really* went out of their way to make it known that they were Sony exclussive with an advertisement that said "in the 32-bit/64-bit console wars Sony has an unfair advantage..." and you open the ad and it blaires at you with the first images of Ridge Racer & Tekken saying: "...US!!!"
Back on the topic of a "major defect" this could mean anything. Someone or some team leaving a company, or a company becoming exclussive to a console maker. Here's some hints of stuff I've noticed:
1) Mr. Kojima didn't want MGS 2 on X-BOX, Konami higher-up's forced him to do it anyways. Mr. Kojima is good freinds with Mr. Mikami and the joke arrissed on which remake would sell better on GCN (RE or MGS?) so he plans to remake MGS on GCN. He voiced that since the first MGS was on PSone and MGS 2 was on PS2 that MGS 3 should be on PS3...Sony hears about his MGS remake on GCN and disagree...soon after higher-ups at Konami (who are subserviant to the market leader) force Mr. Kojima to work on MGS 3 for PS2 keeping him from personally handling the MGS remake on GCN. Note that MGS 3 isn't a sequal...it's a prequel right? Not saying Mr. Kojima is leaving or anything like that, but just showing a trend...
2) Mr. Mikami once swore to cut his own head off if RE4 appeared on anything but GCN this generation or next. Sony and CAPCOM higher-up's (who are subserviant to the market leader) disagree...and thusly RE4 will be on PS2 afterall. Worse thing about it is CAPCOM not only sabatoge's the GCN version of RE4 sales before it even launches by announcing it's coming to PS2 also...but they sabatoge GCN Holiday sales by announcing it before the big shopping season. Who's idea was this...probably Sony's. Mr. Mikami doesn't like Sony to begin with and he usually speaks his mind about his anti-Sony/pro-Nintendo evangelism, but where is his voice now? I imagine he (and possibly all of Clover) is already packing to leave CAPCOM...and where would this predominantly Nintendo supporter go? Nintendo...
3) Before Nintendo launched GCN in Japan they planned announcements aimed to hurt Sony's standings with Japanese developers. The first actually happened...the RE exclussivity deal. The next was Namco's support (originally meant to be Soul Caliber 2 exclussive along with major RPG announcements one meant to be totally exclussive to Nintendo, Baiten Kaitos and one being a game in their most popular Tales RPG franchise) was ultimatly delayed. The biggest was meant to be Mr. Yamauchi (together with only one of the original FF creators) creating a "loop-hole" company that would allow Square to make FF games for GCN...problem with that announcement is that not everyone at Square liked this idea so they (who are subserviant to the market leader) instead banded with Sony to have them help pad their losses on their joint "Spirits Within" movie failure which then delayed the "FF on GCN" announcement. Sony bought like 18% (or was it 16%) of Square stocks basically helping to quiet the "Square back on Nintendo" rumors when GCN launched. Square's first couple of games on PS2 were pretty much experiments (Driving Emotion S, a baseball game, The Bouncer and I think maybe a wrestling game), but I think when it became clear that Sony would again dominate with PS2 they started making FF games again. The "Square + Nintendo" announcement was eventually made, but really...not as big as intented thanks to the investment Sony had just made. Soooo...enter the "MEGATON" rumor and alot of people thought it was that DQ would end up on GCN...no...didn't happen. But Enix did end up merging with Square which ultimatly made Sony's investment in Square hold less water. Square-Enix plans major support for GBA...Sony makes PSP...Nintendo makes NDS...Square-Enix seems to beleive that the money is still on Nintendo handhelds and therefore haven't really gone for PSP. Square-Enix have high hopes for online gaming...recently there's been buzz about Mr. Miyamoto saying that Square-Enix & Nintendo are working on online games. Only time will tell, but I think if it prevents Square-Enix from reaching online gamers on the PC then they won't do it...Crystal Ball: MAYBE there's been a fallout behind the scenes with Sony and they're just finnishing up PS2 developements (as they did with SNES developements) and are planning on a full-on Nintendo comeback??? ((NP mag, NOA & Mr. Iwata seem to just love RPG's and if any genre they've been trying to nail this generation it's been RPG's)) There are also rumors that Revolution includes a HD which would work well in tandem with Square-Enix's online plans...they (and Nintendo, who are making the system with Square in mind) are just waiting to drop the bomb on it?
4) "CAPCOM 5"...yeah...well we know the end result, but just something to think about why it ended the way it did. Around this time CAPCOM asked Nintendo to invest in them. Nintendo then said it would make little sense to try and buy another publisher 'cos if they did there's the risk of all the talent leaving. Mr. Okamoto (huge CAPCOM veteran) leaves CAPCOM over management disputes to form his own company based on game MAKERS, not publishers. CAPCOM 5 Veiwtiful Joe & Killer 7 are whored out to PS2. Nintendo invests Bandai. CAPCOM management pissed...probably runs to Sony's teet and Sony promices to make it all better if they do a sabatoge RE4 for PS2 announcement. Crystal Ball: Management continues to lose touch with their talent...talent leaves for Nintendo and/or Mr. Okamoto's company...
5) I know this isn't much, but there was this suppossed "Konami 10" after the "CAPCOM 5" announcement. The Konami America boards ended up flooding with responces to this rumor and the moderator there said that Nintendo would get theire'. Then the MGS remake was announced...then this same mod said something to the effect of "you will see less and less exclussives and more and more multiplatform stuff" sorta cryptically like Mr. Dyack's comments...who was in on the MGS remake afterall...dun dun dun! Crystal Ball: Konami is reforming and next generation they'll have a better multiplatform focus like their western competition.
6) Nintendo's investment in Bandai was a good idea IMO. One Bandai family member higher up dude (who's subserviant to the market leader) is against the investment 'cos he wants to continue to suckle from the Sony teet...the rest of the higher-up's though like Nintendo. Crystal Ball: Nintendo will get equal or better support from Bandai next generation...in the best case scenerio Nintendo will absorb Bandai and pool their resources on their games *and* animation ventures...
7) Tecmo's Team Ninja defected to DC-pissed and moaned about Soul Caliber outselling them, then to PS2-pissed and moaned about how hard it is to make games for, then to X-BOX-was happy 'cos they are the premier Japanese developer on the system, have no other fighting games to compete with & it's an easier/more powerful system to play with. I'm sure they take into account that many believe that MS paid them off and don't like that stigma. Then there's the whole business of them feeling Sony doesn't take them seriously and them already hating on PS3 forgetting their "we make games for the best hardware" talk. So who knows what this situation will end up being like...Crystal Ball: Team Ninja will find new ways to rip off Sega arcade games and give them bigger boobs no matter what platform they choose...
8) Sonic Team being sold off rumors. If Sega/Sammy is willing to sell off Visual Concepts who knows. Sammy has been re-organizing the Sega teams, but Sonic Team still seems to be outside this circle. Mr. Naka *still* holds onto the dream of Sega making their own hardware again...Crystal Ball: MAYBE Sonic Team will become absorbed by Nintendo 'cos they want their hand in hardware again...?
So this whole "defection" thing could be anything...I can't help but think it has something to do with Nintendo 'cos GameSpy seems to think Nintendo will be "cooler" this year. Maybe since GameSpy was originally gonna help Nintendo out with their online game thing maybe it has something to do with that?
Anyways, it's kinda interesting to sorta "dream" about the possibilities...and possitibilities that seem ALOT more doable now than back at the end of the N64 days...Would be kinda cool if Nintendo ended up with even better support next generation and possibly ending up with one or all of the following:
-Bandai
-Team Ninja
-Sonic Team
-Clover Studio's
EDIT: Grammer and forgot some details/rumors
As far as Square leaving for Sony...yeah they might've stayed with Nintendo if CD's were the medium for N64, but I think around the time the SNES CD-ROM Sony/Nintendo fiasco Sony & Square talked. Alot of Square developers didn't like Nintendo's restrictions, nor did Square as a whole like being held back from breaking into the mainstream in the west and there were plenty of times near the end of the SNES life-cycle that showed Nintendo & Square were not getting along.
Also, it wasn't just Square trying to convince Mr. Yamauchi to go with CD's vs Mr. Miyamoto wanting carts...it had alot to do with alot of major Japanese publishers basically trying to tell Mr. Yamauchi what to do. Developers who were already starting to make games for the PlayStation. Namco's old president was said to have stormed out of Mr. Yamauchi's office raising hell saying that Nintendo would never see a Namco game on one of their systems again 'cos he could not convince Mr. Yamauchi to use CD's in the Ultra 64. Soon after Namco *really* went out of their way to make it known that they were Sony exclussive with an advertisement that said "in the 32-bit/64-bit console wars Sony has an unfair advantage..." and you open the ad and it blaires at you with the first images of Ridge Racer & Tekken saying: "...US!!!"
Back on the topic of a "major defect" this could mean anything. Someone or some team leaving a company, or a company becoming exclussive to a console maker. Here's some hints of stuff I've noticed:
1) Mr. Kojima didn't want MGS 2 on X-BOX, Konami higher-up's forced him to do it anyways. Mr. Kojima is good freinds with Mr. Mikami and the joke arrissed on which remake would sell better on GCN (RE or MGS?) so he plans to remake MGS on GCN. He voiced that since the first MGS was on PSone and MGS 2 was on PS2 that MGS 3 should be on PS3...Sony hears about his MGS remake on GCN and disagree...soon after higher-ups at Konami (who are subserviant to the market leader) force Mr. Kojima to work on MGS 3 for PS2 keeping him from personally handling the MGS remake on GCN. Note that MGS 3 isn't a sequal...it's a prequel right? Not saying Mr. Kojima is leaving or anything like that, but just showing a trend...
2) Mr. Mikami once swore to cut his own head off if RE4 appeared on anything but GCN this generation or next. Sony and CAPCOM higher-up's (who are subserviant to the market leader) disagree...and thusly RE4 will be on PS2 afterall. Worse thing about it is CAPCOM not only sabatoge's the GCN version of RE4 sales before it even launches by announcing it's coming to PS2 also...but they sabatoge GCN Holiday sales by announcing it before the big shopping season. Who's idea was this...probably Sony's. Mr. Mikami doesn't like Sony to begin with and he usually speaks his mind about his anti-Sony/pro-Nintendo evangelism, but where is his voice now? I imagine he (and possibly all of Clover) is already packing to leave CAPCOM...and where would this predominantly Nintendo supporter go? Nintendo...
3) Before Nintendo launched GCN in Japan they planned announcements aimed to hurt Sony's standings with Japanese developers. The first actually happened...the RE exclussivity deal. The next was Namco's support (originally meant to be Soul Caliber 2 exclussive along with major RPG announcements one meant to be totally exclussive to Nintendo, Baiten Kaitos and one being a game in their most popular Tales RPG franchise) was ultimatly delayed. The biggest was meant to be Mr. Yamauchi (together with only one of the original FF creators) creating a "loop-hole" company that would allow Square to make FF games for GCN...problem with that announcement is that not everyone at Square liked this idea so they (who are subserviant to the market leader) instead banded with Sony to have them help pad their losses on their joint "Spirits Within" movie failure which then delayed the "FF on GCN" announcement. Sony bought like 18% (or was it 16%) of Square stocks basically helping to quiet the "Square back on Nintendo" rumors when GCN launched. Square's first couple of games on PS2 were pretty much experiments (Driving Emotion S, a baseball game, The Bouncer and I think maybe a wrestling game), but I think when it became clear that Sony would again dominate with PS2 they started making FF games again. The "Square + Nintendo" announcement was eventually made, but really...not as big as intented thanks to the investment Sony had just made. Soooo...enter the "MEGATON" rumor and alot of people thought it was that DQ would end up on GCN...no...didn't happen. But Enix did end up merging with Square which ultimatly made Sony's investment in Square hold less water. Square-Enix plans major support for GBA...Sony makes PSP...Nintendo makes NDS...Square-Enix seems to beleive that the money is still on Nintendo handhelds and therefore haven't really gone for PSP. Square-Enix have high hopes for online gaming...recently there's been buzz about Mr. Miyamoto saying that Square-Enix & Nintendo are working on online games. Only time will tell, but I think if it prevents Square-Enix from reaching online gamers on the PC then they won't do it...Crystal Ball: MAYBE there's been a fallout behind the scenes with Sony and they're just finnishing up PS2 developements (as they did with SNES developements) and are planning on a full-on Nintendo comeback??? ((NP mag, NOA & Mr. Iwata seem to just love RPG's and if any genre they've been trying to nail this generation it's been RPG's)) There are also rumors that Revolution includes a HD which would work well in tandem with Square-Enix's online plans...they (and Nintendo, who are making the system with Square in mind) are just waiting to drop the bomb on it?
4) "CAPCOM 5"...yeah...well we know the end result, but just something to think about why it ended the way it did. Around this time CAPCOM asked Nintendo to invest in them. Nintendo then said it would make little sense to try and buy another publisher 'cos if they did there's the risk of all the talent leaving. Mr. Okamoto (huge CAPCOM veteran) leaves CAPCOM over management disputes to form his own company based on game MAKERS, not publishers. CAPCOM 5 Veiwtiful Joe & Killer 7 are whored out to PS2. Nintendo invests Bandai. CAPCOM management pissed...probably runs to Sony's teet and Sony promices to make it all better if they do a sabatoge RE4 for PS2 announcement. Crystal Ball: Management continues to lose touch with their talent...talent leaves for Nintendo and/or Mr. Okamoto's company...
5) I know this isn't much, but there was this suppossed "Konami 10" after the "CAPCOM 5" announcement. The Konami America boards ended up flooding with responces to this rumor and the moderator there said that Nintendo would get theire'. Then the MGS remake was announced...then this same mod said something to the effect of "you will see less and less exclussives and more and more multiplatform stuff" sorta cryptically like Mr. Dyack's comments...who was in on the MGS remake afterall...dun dun dun! Crystal Ball: Konami is reforming and next generation they'll have a better multiplatform focus like their western competition.
6) Nintendo's investment in Bandai was a good idea IMO. One Bandai family member higher up dude (who's subserviant to the market leader) is against the investment 'cos he wants to continue to suckle from the Sony teet...the rest of the higher-up's though like Nintendo. Crystal Ball: Nintendo will get equal or better support from Bandai next generation...in the best case scenerio Nintendo will absorb Bandai and pool their resources on their games *and* animation ventures...
7) Tecmo's Team Ninja defected to DC-pissed and moaned about Soul Caliber outselling them, then to PS2-pissed and moaned about how hard it is to make games for, then to X-BOX-was happy 'cos they are the premier Japanese developer on the system, have no other fighting games to compete with & it's an easier/more powerful system to play with. I'm sure they take into account that many believe that MS paid them off and don't like that stigma. Then there's the whole business of them feeling Sony doesn't take them seriously and them already hating on PS3 forgetting their "we make games for the best hardware" talk. So who knows what this situation will end up being like...Crystal Ball: Team Ninja will find new ways to rip off Sega arcade games and give them bigger boobs no matter what platform they choose...
8) Sonic Team being sold off rumors. If Sega/Sammy is willing to sell off Visual Concepts who knows. Sammy has been re-organizing the Sega teams, but Sonic Team still seems to be outside this circle. Mr. Naka *still* holds onto the dream of Sega making their own hardware again...Crystal Ball: MAYBE Sonic Team will become absorbed by Nintendo 'cos they want their hand in hardware again...?
So this whole "defection" thing could be anything...I can't help but think it has something to do with Nintendo 'cos GameSpy seems to think Nintendo will be "cooler" this year. Maybe since GameSpy was originally gonna help Nintendo out with their online game thing maybe it has something to do with that?
Anyways, it's kinda interesting to sorta "dream" about the possibilities...and possitibilities that seem ALOT more doable now than back at the end of the N64 days...Would be kinda cool if Nintendo ended up with even better support next generation and possibly ending up with one or all of the following:
-Bandai
-Team Ninja
-Sonic Team
-Clover Studio's
EDIT: Grammer and forgot some details/rumors
Guns N' Poops
Banned
You are sick.
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
Screw third-party support. I buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games.
One thing Nintendo is doing right; expanding into other markets. We saw the seeds of it in the pokemon craze, with card games and it's own anime to go along with it (Granted, nintendo already manufactured playing cards, and they also manufacture Go equipment).
Then, we saw GBA video, by Majesco and Nintendo, a little bit more expanding into the market of cartoons and anime.
and, well, earlier this year, the announcement of Nintendo's own anime studio.
Not to mention the fact that they publish a few of the anime games for the GC, and are co-developing two new anime games, including JSS for the DS.
Sure, it's only one area they're expanding into. But anime is starting to really boom globally. Nintendo is looking ahead and seeing this. And if they (and this is a big if) can come up with a big anime hit, Nintendo will have a firm placehold in the anime industry for a long time.
Then, we saw GBA video, by Majesco and Nintendo, a little bit more expanding into the market of cartoons and anime.
and, well, earlier this year, the announcement of Nintendo's own anime studio.
Not to mention the fact that they publish a few of the anime games for the GC, and are co-developing two new anime games, including JSS for the DS.
Sure, it's only one area they're expanding into. But anime is starting to really boom globally. Nintendo is looking ahead and seeing this. And if they (and this is a big if) can come up with a big anime hit, Nintendo will have a firm placehold in the anime industry for a long time.
arter_2
Member
Wow great post gakman. I have to add, I believe in adidtion to the stuff you said about square-enix they also where very mad at the redesign of the pstwo where they lost hard drive support basically rendering usless ps2s ability to play final fantesty XI. idunno if i threw all this money at a game and the one sytem that supports it revises its designa lowwing my game to not be played id be really angry.