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[rofif]

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Gaming is doomed if great games from inexperienced studios don't show up on Shill up goty list. Wukong and Stellar Blade missing​

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Not a single mention of Wukong and Stellar Blade.
Probably 2 of the best games released this year.
I know Stellar Blade is my goty easily. Such a great game and achievement from a studio that never did a full AAA game. (yes, it's more than boobs)
And dragons dogma 2 being so low? tragedy.

He says in the beginning of the video that he "AnD hiS hARd workING tEAm" played all the games this year.

This is a disgrace. Probably the biggest yt reviewer and he completely skips two best games this year.
These games from basically new studios, should be rewarded.

edit: What it's up to me? He says he is a professional full time reviewer and he and his team worked VERY HARD and played everything this year.
So this is me evaluating his work. Bad judgement of games and skipping real gems. I don't even disagree with GOTY pick. sure, it's his list... but not to recognize some of best games released this year? nah man. nah

 

[Radical_3d]

I don’t even know what outlet is that…

 

[Big Baller]

 

[Schmendrick]

Yadda yadda doom and gloom Yadda yadda.

It's not a review outlet but a content creator. And for those it boils down to taste.

I'd not have mentioned Stellar Blade or Wukong in that list either.

 

[Bojji]

Monkey as main character is not diverse enough, maybe if it was female monkey?

I don't need to tell you what problem they had with SB, lol.

 

[rofif]

Yadda yadda doom and gloom Yadda yadda.

It's not a review outlet but a content creator. And for those it boils down to taste.

I'd not have mentioned Stellar Blade or Wukong in that list either.

He is a professional. It's his work.
1 million subs. he is too big of an influencer to skip those. He is in a position of responsibility.
Studios and future games like that will suffer if more reviewers have bad taste.
His personal taste is one thing. but even if he disliked those, HE SHOULD mention those. He says himself it's his and his team professional work.
It's not just some youtube guy

 

[BlackTron]

Admittedly it's not as easy for a totally original game that isn't Harry Potter to sidestep media support, but people bought those games because they were good anyway.

Gaming isn't doomed over Skill Up's GOTY opinions

 

[The Cockatrice]

random youtuber shares his opinion about games. I dont like his opinion the thread!!!

wukong sucked btw.

 

[Gaiff]

Doesn’t even look like he made a full review. Can’t find the video at least.

random youtuber shares his opinion about games. I dont like his opinion the thread!!!

wukong sucked btw.

It’s great.

 

[MikeM]

Console market alone is how many millions? This channel has 1 million subs? So the overwhelming majority of gamers don’t know who this is?

I watch this channel but lets be real- their reach is about a drop in the bucket in comparison to the market. They sway about as much as a wet fart in sales numbers.

 

[Madflavor]

Stellar Blade and Black Myth showed up as positive entries in Act Man’s list, who btw is trending to surpass Skill Up’s views. Just thought it worth mentioning.



Also the success of a game doesn’t hinge on a popular YT’s opinion, come on man. Skill Up glazed Veilguard in his preview, but that didn’t help the game’s sales.

 

[Gonzito]

Youtubers and influencers are so full of themselves. I hate this stupid trend

 

[Fake]

Can't say I care about Skill Up opinion. This guy said Diablo 4 was his GOTY even with all that shit problems.

 

[Zathalus]

Wukong Is surely doomed now, only sold in excess of 20 million. No coming back from that.

 

[Spiral1407]

It's his opinion though. Neither of those games are on my list either. That doesn't stop you from liking them.

 

[SirTerry-T]

Haven't played the game, so forgive my ignorance but if Stellar Blade was the same game but with characters that were decrepit looking hags would it still be as well regarded? Isn't it just another 3rd person Bayonetta/DMC type "thing".
I get the appeal, if it was on the green teams plastic box I would probably play it, just intrigued to know if it's appeal is any deeper than it's looks?

 

[T4keD0wN]

 

[duck_sauce]

Fuck off with the never ending Wukong and stellar blade hype. Two very overblown games.
It all comes down to taste and you snowflakes need to realize that your personal taste is not the gold standard for gaming. Thank god!

 

[Edgelord79]

I’m not a huge fan of either of the games, but clearly they were good games due to sales and the zeitgeist. I agree with the OP here. They didn’t have to win, but they probably should have been mentioned. Or at least explained why they weren’t.

Dragons Dogma was very disappointing though so I agree with that one. Fuck that game.

 

[rofif]

It's his opinion though. Neither of those games are on my list either. That doesn't stop you from liking them.

you don't understand. He is not a personality reviewer.
He is a general reviewer and a professional at that.

Haven't played the game, so forgive my ignorance but if Stellar Blade was the same game but with characters that were decrepit looking hags would it still be as well regarded? Isn't it just another 3rd person Bayonetta/DMC type "thing".
I get the appeal, if it was on the green teams plastic box I would probably play it, just intrigued to know if it's appeal is any deeper than it's looks?

yes. the game is fantastic. Main character just added bonus and taking the spotlight.
It's soulsy dmc / character action game. Plenty of skills, great combat, tons of enemies and varied environments.

Fuck off with the never ending Wukong and stellar blade hype. Two very overblown games.
It all comes down to taste and you snowflakes need to realize that your personal taste is not the gold standard for gaming. Thank god!

you don't have to like them but have you played them?
Nothing overblown about stellar blade. people just focus on Eve but the game is great as is.

 

[Iced Arcade]

dude literally says games he liked right at the start of the video "we content creators make a list of games that we liked"

open and shut case.

 

[Spiral1407]

you don't understand. He is not a personality reviewer.
He is a general reviewer and a professional at that.

So? He's still a person. Everyone has their own opinions/biases and they WILL bleed into any "professional reviews" they make. This is why I don't pay attention to what the gaming press has to say and you shouldn't either. Just enjoy what you want to enjoy.

IGN gave one of my favourite games of all time a 4/10. And guess what, I couldn't care less. I still replay it yearly to this day.

 

[KXVXII9X]

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Make this thread about POP Lost Crown and I would agree.

 

[Glass Prison]

Plenty of great games from inexperienced studios showed up on his list.
Maybe your thread's title should be "gaming is doomed if my favorite games didn't show up on yet another youtuber's list".

 

[rofif]

So? He's still a person. Everyone has their own opinions/biases and they WILL bleed into any "professional reviews" they make. This is why I don't pay attention to what the gaming press has to say and you shouldn't either. Just enjoy what you want to enjoy.

IGN gave one of my favourite games of all time a 4/10. And guess what, I couldn't care less. I still replay it yearly to this day.

He is a team and got responsibilities before bigger audience... at least he acts like that.
We all know why these games are not on the list.

 

[Hugare]

Wukong was my GOTY, but if SkillUP didnt like it and doesnt want to include on his list, why should I care?

There's no such thing as "factually great game", just like there's no "factually great movie" or factually great music". Its all down to personal taste. You may not enjoy Clair De Lune from Debussy, and thats ok.

"We all know why these games are not on the list". Oh right, the far right monkey game, or something. Please.

Basically, you should be more mature about it, OP

 

[rofif]

Wukong was my GOTY, but if SkillUP didnt like it and doesnt want to include on his list, why should I care?

There's no such thing as "factually great game", just like there's no "factually great movie" or factually great music". Its all down to personal taste. You may not enjoy Clair De Lune from Debussy, and thats ok.

Basically, you should be more mature about it, OP

its not that he didn't like it. If You believe that, you are missing the bigger picture

 

[ProtoByte]

Fuck off with the never ending Wukong and stellar blade hype. Two very overblown games.
It all comes down to taste and you snowflakes need to realize that your personal taste is not the gold standard for gaming. Thank god!

2014 was the worst year of gen 8. Neither Stellar Blade or Black Myth would've been a footnote in that year.

 

[onQ123]

I don't know who that is but I think logically & logic tells me that everyone doesn't have the same taste.

 

[Windom Earle]

The guy who completely danced around Shitguard's wokeness is a disingenuous shill? Shocking.

 

[rofif]

2014 was the worst year of gen 8. Neither Stellar Blade or Black Myth would've been a footnote in that year.

You are delusional. Do You even know good games?
Cmon with outrageous takes. WE get it. You dont like video games.

All I am saying is that he ignored those games for political reasons. Not for the quality which is undeniably amazing

edit:
If thats not good then I dont know what is

 

[Spiral1407]

He is a team and got responsibilities before bigger audience... at least he acts like that.
We all know why these games are not on the list.

The only responsibility he has is to give his own opinion. That's also the reason why those games aren't on the list.

He (and other reviewers) aren't required to shill popular games just for the sake of it. Unless you actually want COD and EA-FC/FIFA on every professional reviewer's list of course...

 

[Hugare]

its not that he didn't like it. If You believe that, you are missing the bigger picture

First of all, you are making assumptions

He reviewed Stellar Blade, for example, something that he didnt do with Hogwarts Legacy, and even recommended it.



He just didnt feel like it should be on his GOTY list. And thats fine.

And even if he has an agenda, please, the man has 1M followers, not 1B. Who gives a shit? He didnt review Wukong and it sold tons of copies. He influences an incredibly low amount of people.

I enjoy his reviews, but I didnt give a damn about his TLOU Part II review, bought it and loved it anyway.

Just accept that a man doesnt like the same toy as you and move on

 

[Puscifer]

The guy who completely danced around Shitguard's wokeness is a disingenuous shill? Shocking.

You have to be fishing for attention if the you think him saying "Every piece of dialog sounds like Human Resources was in the room" isn't a scathing critique against the games writing.

And realistically both games are yet another souls like and while one of those games is just a lesser Nier Automata with sex appeal as a selling point.

 

[rofif]

First of all, you are making assumptions

He reviewed Stellar Blade, for example, something that he didnt do with Hogwarts Legacy, and even recommended it.



He just didnt feel like it should be on his GOTY list. And thats fine.

And even if he has an agenda, please, the man has 1M followers, not 1B. Who gives a shit? He didnt review Wukong and it sold tons of copies. He influences an incredibly low amount of people.

I enjoy his reviews, but I didnt give a damn about his Part II review, bought it and loved it anyway.

Just accept that a man doesnt like the same toy as you and move on

He is just a bad reviewer then?
Unpredictable?
Reviewers job is to be somewhat objective if he is not a personality guy like angry joe or something

 

[Lucifers Beard]

It's all personal preference really. For example you think that Dragons Dogma 2 should be higher on the list, whereas I think it shouldn't be on any GOTY lists, since it's crap.

 

[Topher]

He is just a bad reviewer then?
Unpredictable?
Reviewers job is to be somewhat objective if he is not a personality guy like angry joe or something

A reviewer's job is to give their personal opinion which is always subjective. Your opinion just doesn't align with his. This is hardly uncommon.

 

[Hugare]

He is just a bad reviewer then?
Unpredictable?
Reviewers job is to be somewhat objective if he is not a personality guy like angry joe or something

Hopefuly you dont enjoy movies or music enough to look for reviews of your favorite stuff. Otherwise, oh boy, you would throw a tantrum way more often.

There's no thing as an objective review unless he is just there to analyze technical aspects like Digital Foundry. Everything else is opinion based.

Did you know that Roger Ebert, one of the most acclaimed film critics of all time rated badly Die Hard? Or The Thing? And said that Home Alone 3 was the best of the bunch?

Fuck me, you are a Forspoken fan, how do you still dont know this concept? Since you disagree with every reviewer that teared this game apart giving it a low MC score?

 

[Zathalus]

You may not enjoy Clair De Lune from Debussy, and thats ok.

I’m not sure how anyone cannot like Debussy. I personally love Debussy. Many an evening I will finish my day with Debussy. Although sometimes when the mood takes me I may finish on the Bach.

 

[rofif]

It's all personal preference really. For example you think that Dragons Dogma 2 should be higher on the list, whereas I think it shouldn't be on any GOTY lists, since it's crap.

A reviewer's job is to give their personal opinion which is always subjective. Your opinion just doesn't align with his. This is hardly uncommon.

Hopefuly you dont enjoy movies or music enough to look for reviews of your favorite stuff. Otherwise, oh boy, you would throw a tantrum way more often.

There's no thing as an objective review unless he is just there to analyze technical aspects like Digital Foundry. Everything else is opinion based.

Did you know that Roger Ebert, one of the most acclaimed film critics of all time rated badly Die Hard? Or The Thing? And said that Home Alone 3 was the best of the bunch?

Fuck me, you are a Forspoken fan, how do you still dont know this concept? Since you disagree with every reviewer that teared this game apart giving it a low MC score?

This topic went way over your guys heads.... waaay over. I am not saying Dragons Dogma 2 should be his n1. But to say that it should not be on the list at all Lucifers Beard ? what the hell. It was a very dry year and DD2 was amazing. It was so much fun combat and physics.
and yes. I am a forspoken fan. So what? I was able to recognize and enjoy a game everyone else turned a blind eye on to... so what? Am I worse for that? No. I am better because I was able to play something open minded and see what it is without prejudice of influencers.

if this doesn't deserve a mention. nothing does.


What are you even talking about Hugare? Yes. I am a movies fan. This is not what we are talking here at all

 

[kaizenkko]

I'm playing Stellar Blade right now. There's good things, but I definitely can't say that is one of the best games of the year.

People just can think different of you, OP.

 

[rofif]

I'm playing Stellar Blade right now. There's good things, but I definitely can't say that is one of the best games of the year.

People just can think different of you, OP.

what do you not like ?
I found the music to be incredible, locations, environments, Eve, combat.. It was just very engaging for 50 hours for me

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

Wukong was my GOTY, but if SkillUP didnt like it and doesnt want to include on his list, why should I care?

There's no such thing as "factually great game", just like there's no "factually great movie" or factually great music". Its all down to personal taste. You may not enjoy Clair De Lune from Debussy, and thats ok.

"We all know why these games are not on the list". Oh right, the far right monkey game, or something. Please.

Basically, you should be more mature about it, OP

If Debussy doesn't move you, you factually have no soul and must be executed at midnight to save the village from your Satanic possession.

...but also yes, this thread is fucking nuts and I love Stellar Blade.

 

[Topher]

This topic went way over your guys heads.... waaay over.

lol...what? I was replying to a specific point you made. If you don't want to reply to my post then don't quote it.

 

[Punished Miku]

GOTY is a cancer that is breaking people's brains. Don't vote. GOTY doesn't exist. Most people cannot even play everything.

Stop obsessing over the mainstream top and start discovering the new, experimental middle and bottom

 

[clarky]

Dragons Dogma 2 and Stellar Blade wouldn't make my list either?

Why is gaming doomed because you don't agree with random guy on the internet?

 

[ManaByte]

I know Stellar Blade is my goty easily. Such a great game and achievement from a studio that never did a full AAA game. (yes, it's more than boobs)

No it's not. It's a pretty standard action game that if it had any other main character would get absolutely zero attention. It is a MUCH better game than that garbage unoptimized UE5 tech demo Wukong though.

Astro Bot, Helldivers, and FFVII are WAY better PS exclusives last year.

And dragons dogma 2 being so low? tragedy.

Dragon's Dogma 2 requires a $700 console upgrade to be playable.

 

[kaizenkko]

what do you not like ?
I found the music to be incredible, locations, environments, Eve, combat.. It was just very engaging for 50 hours for me

Boss fights are good. Music is good. Eve is good.

But I don't like the level design, those big open areas with some random enemies. Not appealing at all. And enemy design is just bad.

I started playing back in April, but dropped and come back now... But I honestly don't think this games is too much. I can see good things on it, especially being made by a unexperienced studio, but the game never clicked for me.

 

[Calico345]

He is a professional. It's his work.
1 million subs. he is too big of an influencer to skip those. He is in a position of responsibility.
Studios and future games like that will suffer if more reviewers have bad taste.
His personal taste is one thing. but even if he disliked those, HE SHOULD mention those. He says himself it's his and his team professional work.
It's not just some youtube guy

That's the problem, though. He makes his living as a professional YouTuber lol. You're contributing to his profit margin by advertising his video for him. Stop caring what other people think or don't think about something that you clearly don't need their help to decide on. It's fun and entertaining to watch YouTubers to a degree but what they say isn't gospel, and you cannot control what other people think and say.

Yes, I get what you mean by "responsibility" since many people do listen to content creators, but it also really isn't their responsibility to do or say anything. Some sell out to the corpos, other speak their mind and stay true to themselves at the cost of money, others still just do their own weird thing regardless of money or trends. Ultimately you cannot hold them accountable for their "opinions" when they disagree with your opinions. And I say this as a fan of both Wukong and Stellar Blade. If people stopped putting so much faith and stock in what these digital muppets said. we wouldn't be having this discussion.