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[LowRoller]

Speaking of squids, I'm super excited to play Splatoon tomorrow! Team Ice Cream!

#Teamcake . Ice cream is for weiners.

 

[FantasyFreak07]

rip

 

[- J - D -]

the game is terrible. the game has terrible controls.

This is silly. Of all the complaints one could have about this game, controls 100% cannot be one of them.

 

[Karspankey]

have you heard of: ice cream cake

shit is my life

 

[Joeku]

#Teamcake . Ice cream is for weiners.

Squid Yolandi is the ultimate wiener, though.

 

[Death Metalist]

I'm not betting you a goddamn thing

 

[Salarians]

have you heard of: ice cream cake

shit is my life

it's so tasty

 

[Glass Shark]

Mario Sunshine had better controls than Mario 64, whatever else you say about it its controls are super tight.

the thing I like about Sunshine over Mario 64 is that when you press buttons Mario actually does the thing you want him to do all the time instead of just sometimes

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

have you heard of: ice cream cake

shit is my life

Ice cream is good. Ice cream cake is good. Just cake is bad.

 

[Piston Hyundai]

the game has incredible movement and proceeds to do next to nothing with it since it's so focused on FLUDD

 

[Glass Shark]

the game has incredible movement and proceeds to do next to nothing with it since it's so focused on FLUDD

FLUDD and the hover nozzle are a big part of that movement though, not sure how you can say this

 

[klonere]

the game has incredible movement and proceeds to do next to nothing with it since it's so focused on FLUDD

Nah, if you wanna do this game as fast as possible you damn well better be using near to every single movement tool they give you

 

[Fleet_of_Foot]

Oh watching them try to get 100 coins in some of these levels...yikes. It's going to take forever.

 

[The Technomancer]

#Cake all day

 

[- J - D -]

the game has incredible movement and proceeds to do next to nothing with it since it's so focused on FLUDD

But FLUDD actually helps improve movement though. You can use it to move faster than in any other 3D Mario game.

Whether or not the GB crew will actually figure it out is another thing entirely though.

 

[Alfredo]

Can't wait til someone (probably Dan) just cashes in the blue coins to get a shine to skip their turn instantly.

 

[DyslexicAlucard]

FLUDD and the hover nozzle are a big part of that movement though, not sure how you can say this

I think he means that there are a lot of locomotion options separate from (and including) FLUDD, which could make the game feel fast and kinetic. Instead, the game continually slows you down to do boring and finicky things like cleaning up mud all of the time. It's definitely one of the core issues.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

#Teamcake . Ice cream is for weiners.

#Cake all day

Let's settle it on the Spattlefield.

SW-7468-1853-0985

(Anyone can add me)

 

[Death Metalist]

Games that came out a year before Sunshine

MGS2
Silent Hill 2
Jak and Dexter
ICO
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Twisted Metal: Black
Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
SSX Tricky
Max Payne
Virtua Fighter 4
Soul Reaver 2
Capcom vs. SNK 2
Rumble Racing
Hot Shots Golf 3

 

[TheMadMan007]

Man, I really hope they don't play this game all the way through. It's going to take forever.

 

[Piston Hyundai]

But FLUDD actually helps improve movement though. You can use it to move faster than in any other 3D Mario game.

Whether or not the GB crew will actually figure it out is another thing entirely though.

but then the game expects you to move fast like two or three times throughout the entire game

"oh cool I can traverse the hub really fast" is nice, but they don't actually design any setpieces around the coolest shit you can do in the game

that, and the main functions of FLUDD make the platforming boring, as I explained before

 

[Fleet_of_Foot]

The crazy part of what's happening right now is when Alex actually gets in the cave, based on what I'm seeing, he's doomed.

 

[DyslexicAlucard]

Games that came out a year before Sunshine

MGS2
Silent Hill 2
Jak and Dexter
ICO
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Twisted Metal: Black
Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
SSX Tricky
Max Payne
Virtua Fighter 4
Soul Reaver 2
Capcom vs. SNK 2
Rumble Racing
Hot Shots Golf 3

Again, I don't think many here are saying it's amazing like Dan is. Even then, I'd put Sunshine against TM: B, BG: DA and SR 2 any day. It holds up better than the TM games, for sure. I recently tried TM: B and... yeaaah...

"3D World, if you count that." Thank you, Dan, for making that distinction. I feel like a few people wouldn't.

 

[Infinite Justice]

nice to see people seeing the light

Sunshine is not a good game.

 

[TheChits]

...........................

 

[Karspankey]

defeated by: simple platforming

 

[Hasney]

I'm playing Mario Sunshine as we speak. I couldn't resist while watching it.

 

[VeryGooster]

Games that came out a year before Sunshine

MGS2
Silent Hill 2
Jak and Dexter
ICO
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Twisted Metal: Black
Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
SSX Tricky
Max Payne
Virtua Fighter 4
Soul Reaver 2
Capcom vs. SNK 2
Rumble Racing
Hot Shots Golf 3

Grand Theft Auto 3

2001 was an awesome gaming year

 

[- J - D -]

but then the game expects you to move fast like two or three times throughout the entire game

"oh cool I can traverse the hub really fast" is nice, but they don't actually design any setpieces around the coolest shit you can do in the game

that, and the main functions of FLUDD make the platforming boring, as I explained before

I think that's because getting the most out of FLUDD takes some effort to master so revolving the whole of the game around the movement would've put off the broader audience. While I don't llove some of the slower mud-cleaning and/or spray-platforming segments that comprise a large portion of the game, I don't think it being a more methodical process makes it inherently bad. If anything I found it to be a pleasant change of pace.

 

[wild_fire987]

I love Alex, but he's playing this up for the camera right?

 

[DyslexicAlucard]

Grand Theft Auto 3

2001 was an awesome gaming year

Final Fantasy X as well, and Devil May Cry. (Edit: And Gran Turismo 3, right?)

And Halo. And Roque Squadron 2.

2001 was an insane year, so saying Sunshine isn't as good as some of the greatest games of all time is using a pretty high bar. Against, it's good to great, just not top-tier amazing.

Also, stop using the controls as an excuse, Alex...

 

[TheChits]

I am flabbergasted at the control complaints

 

[OdysseusVA]

Alex is right

 

[Death Metalist]

 

[Infinite Justice]

Beastcast: No Kiki's delivery service mention?

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

As soon as this turned into a Mario game they've run into a wall.

 

[J.W. Stillwater]

I am flabbergasted at the control complaints

The Shoemaker Special

 

[Twin Tails]

 

[Karspankey]

lol this controls exactly the same as 64

 

[wenis]

lol this controls exactly the same as 64

so like shit. mario 64 is also a bad game.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

You can see Vinny try to repress his homicidal rage with laughter. There will come a day when he is no longer able to hide it.

 

[TheMadMan007]

I can preform every move perfectly without thinking I'm going to screw up and not go exactly where I want in Mario 64, but in Sunshine the controls are obtuse and don't function properly half of the time, You end up going places you never intended to at all. Alex, Vinny and Abbey are all 1000% percent correct.

 

[Glass Shark]

I am flabbergasted at the control complaints

Same, Sunshine feels great, better than 64 or Galaxy imo

 

[Piston Hyundai]

I think that's because getting the most out of FLUDD takes some effort to master so revolving the whole of the game around the movement would've put off the broader audience. While I don't llove some of the slower mud-cleaning and/or spray-platforming segments that comprise a large portion of the game, I don't think it being a more methodical process makes it inherently bad. If anything I found it to be a pleasant change of pace.

The "put off the broader audience" argument falls apart once you look at some of the stupid bullshit you have to do in this game. They already do stupidly difficult stuff in the game, it's just that none of it revolves around the mechanics that are actually fun

 

[Death Metalist]

I don't think this is that far from Galaxy

 

[nckillthegrimace]

I don't like this game, but the controls are fine.

 

[Hasney]

They're insane. Even with the input lag associated with emulators, it controls super tight.

I don't think this is that far from Galaxy

He was talking about the tightness of the controls and on that point, he's right.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I can preform every move perfectly without thinking I'm going to screw up and not go exactly where I want in Mario 64, but in Sunshine the controls are obtuse and don't function properly half of the time, You end up going places you never intended to at all. Alex, Vinny and Abbey are all 1000% percent correct.

This is the opposite of reality.

 

[JBuccCP]

This is like watching my mom try and play a game.

 

[Karspankey]

so like shit. mario 64 is also a bad game.

compare dan to playing it to the rest of them

there may be something more than controls that are wrong