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Girl/Dating Age Part 2: A combined effort to give advice for those in need

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Thanks everyone ^_^

I'll do a re-edit throughout the day today while at work and def get rid of the no girlfriend part. I'll post if any successes come up.


-I think youre slightly over-selling yourself. IMO youre mostly coming of as a guy who wants a "friend" not a girlfriend.

any suggestions to fix this?

again thanks ^_^
 
any suggestions to fix this?

again thanks ^_^

Just incorporate the rest of the listed suggestions into the context of your profile and it should be fine.

Also

Risks are a measure of people.
People who wont take them are trying to preserve what they have.

People who do take them often end up by having more.

Some risks have a future, and some people call them wrong. But being right may be like walking backwards proving where you've been.

Being wrong isnt in the future, or in the past.

Being wrong isnt anywhere but being here

- Paul Arden

Took it from this incredibly cheesey, cheap book about business strategies, but it makes sense. Because remember, its not how good you are but its how good you want to be. Hopefully it helps to sell yourself as a better product when youre out there.
 
Okay, so, dating-GAF

I have ~a problem~

My last real relationship was about eight months ago and she moved, thus ending it. About five months after that, I met someone new and we really hit it off. At some point, after I had developed strong feelings for her, she told me the distance (about two hours) was too much. I was saddened by it, but I could still see the logic in it, so I agreed and we didn't talk for a while.

Literally as I'm contemplating removing her from my Facebook friends today because I didn't want to see a relationship status update or something, she messages me and starts making normal chit-chat. Except it's, like, weirdly flirty now. Moreso than she has ever done before.

I'd say something like "I don't want to sound like your mom, but you should get that passport stuff done," and she'd say "You're way cuter than my mom." Which...okay. Thanks?

At the end of the conversation, in which she told me she was about to get in to the shower, she told me she'd be back later to talk some more. We were barely talking about anything in the first place, so I'm not sure what more she wants to talk about.

I was finally over this girl and now it seems like she's pushing herself back in to my life. My question is, do you think this is some weird moment where she's trying to feel better about her guilt or second thoughts? Or do you think she wants to try again and I should just let her in?
 

SMT

this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
Okay, so, dating-GAF

I have ~a problem~

My last real relationship was about eight months ago and she moved, thus ending it. About five months after that, I met someone new and we really hit it off. At some point, after I had developed strong feelings for her, she told me the distance (about two hours) was too much. I was saddened by it, but I could still see the logic in it, so I agreed and we didn't talk for a while.

Literally as I'm contemplating removing her from my Facebook friends today because I didn't want to see a relationship status update or something, she messages me and starts making normal chit-chat. Except it's, like, weirdly flirty now. Moreso than she has ever done before.

I'd say something like "I don't want to sound like your mom, but you should get that passport stuff done," and she'd say "You're way cuter than my mom." Which...okay. Thanks?

At the end of the conversation, in which she told me she was about to get in to the shower, she told me she'd be back later to talk some more. We were barely talking about anything in the first place, so I'm not sure what more she wants to talk about.

I was finally over this girl and now it seems like she's pushing herself back in to my life. My question is, do you think this is some weird moment where she's trying to feel better about her guilt or second thoughts? Or do you think she wants to try again and I should just let her in?

It looks like she's keeping her options open, that's what I would do.
I mean she's flirting with you, and keeping you close lol.
She knows the dating game more than she lets on.

It has nothing to do with guilt, girls don't think like that dude, only you do.

If you want to pursue her go for it, but it's hard to gauge what she's plotting, I'd take a wait and see approach, and you can report back more of the symptoms later so we can study them.

Hard to figure out her plans, or get a read on the situation... She could want something, but too vague.
 

I agree. Dude needs to, stop & drop "The Game" terminology and any refences to it. I read that book year ago and infinitely by far regret ever doing so.. despite forcing me out of my safe zone and giving me a small confidence boost never helped me on my experience with women.

An aquaintance of mine is taking/took suggestions and advices from it, and has literally had zero/minimal succes with women thus far. On the contrary he's intimidating them far more anyway if anything.
 

GiJoccin

Member
I agree. Dude needs to, stop & drop "The Game" terminology and any refences to it. I read that book year ago and infinitely by far regret ever doing so.. despite forcing me out of my safe zone and giving me a small confidence boost never helped me on my experience with women.

An aquaintance of mine is taking/took suggestions and advices from it, and has literally had zero/minimal succes with women thus far. On the contrary he's intimidating them far more anyway if anything.

one of my friends bases his entire game based off of that book and other PUA material. he has tremendous success... if you measure success by one night stands whenever he wants.
 
I agree. Dude needs to, stop & drop "The Game" terminology and any refences to it. I read that book year ago and infinitely by far regret ever doing so.. despite forcing me out of my safe zone and giving me a small confidence boost never helped me on my experience with women.

An aquaintance of mine is taking/took suggestions and advices from it, and has literally had zero/minimal succes with women thus far. On the contrary he's intimidating them far more anyway if anything.

LOL, what the is "the game" and what does it tell you to do? Im guessing it tells you to be the kind of guy that only a certain type of guy can actually be?
 

Minamu

Member
LOL, what the is "the game" and what does it tell you to do? Im guessing it tells you to be the kind of guy that only a certain type of guy can actually be?
It's a book about a journalist who goes undercover in the PUA community and gets good at getting laid. And it lists pretty much every major technique they use like an instruction manual. Some people like it, others don't. No different in here :) Edit: And no, anyone can do it if they set their mind to it.
 
It's a book about a journalist who goes undercover in the PUA community and gets good at getting laid. And it lists pretty much every major technique they use like an instruction manual. Some people like it, others don't. No different in here :) Edit: And no, anyone can do it if they set their mind to it.

Ima check this book out then.
 
Winter quarter started today. I only had one class but good lord there are some beautiful women in it.

With that said, how do you guys refrain from putting women on pedestals like we talk about in this thread? Is it just a mental thing? If so, how did you guys retrain your mind to prevent this from happening?

This has always been a problem for me when I meet new women. I've seen a couple Brent videos on this subject but it was mostly him reiterating his fundamentals. Would love to hear some insight from anyone who has it on this area. I imagine this is something a lot of us struggle with.
 
25 so a bit LTTP when it comes to relationships.....

There I was thinking I would be a foreveralone geek but then it happened.

So if I can have success you guys can too!

Hey I'm 26 and have had nothing lasting longer than a week that was never her or my fault, just situation based (moved away, not ready etc)

I totally am happy for you since I know what it's like waiting do long. I'm optimistic so no worries plus I'm not sitting on my ass and making it a point to get better in this area of my life

You give me hope ^_^

EDIT: wondered why my OkCupid had a ton of straight guys as visitors... Saw one was "dudebro" and I remember good GAFers helped me out lol; again thx
 
Hey I'm 26 and have had nothing lasting longer than a week that was never her or my fault, just situation based (moved away, not ready etc)

I totally am happy for you since I know what it's like waiting do long. I'm optimistic so no worries plus I'm not sitting on my ass and making it a point to get better in this area of my life

You give me hope ^_^

EDIT: wondered why my OkCupid had a ton of straight guys as visitors... Saw one was "dudebro" and I remember good GAFers helped me out lol; again thx

lol, that happens.

Though I did have a gay guy message me once, if only to tell me that while he wasn't into straight guys (of course), he did think I was good looking.

If anything, it makes for a great story to talk about with other OKC folk. :)

And I haven't been in a relationship in 5 years, but this thread does give me hope that someday, if I just keep plugging away at it, I'll find something good.
 

What? Is it bad to view yourself in a bright light and show other people your best quality? If so, I want no part of whatever "game" you're in.

And yes, The Game is a legit good novel. A lot of the advice in there is pretty valuable in building up a better person. I've gotten a lot better with going out with women, since I read that novel. It helped reframe my mindset, and I have a bit more confidence in myself, and that book is one of the reasons.


Before I forget, congrats on the relationship, Vampire. I love my success stories. Btw, has anyone heard from Pear in a while? What is he up to?
 

Tenks

Member
Game terminology is fairly legit and if anything it gives a noun to an over arching term. DHV actually means something (in other words you can google it) but just saying "You should try to sell your good qualities and not focus on the bad" yields more questions about how to do that.
 
What? Is it bad to view yourself in a bright light and show other people your best quality? If so, I want no part of whatever "game" you're in.

And yes, The Game is a legit good novel. A lot of the advice in there is pretty valuable in building up a better person. I've gotten a lot better with going out with women, since I read that novel. It helped reframe my mindset, and I have a bit more confidence in myself, and that book is one of the reasons.


Before I forget, congrats on the relationship, Vampire. I love my success stories. Btw, has anyone heard from Pear in a while? What is he up to?

I don't care If it's a good novel or not, using "pua" terms comes off douchey & cheap.

The process of dating women doesnt need to be analyzed down to every detail with buzzwords to the point that you take the human element out of it. 90% of the battle is developing yourself.

Shortcuts arent the genuine article, and cheating yourself in self development will come back to bite in other areas, including actual relationships which is usually the end game.
 
With that said, how do you guys refrain from putting women on pedestals like we talk about in this thread? Is it just a mental thing? If so, how did you guys retrain your mind to prevent this from happening?

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Picture them taking a smelly ass shit. Brings them down to your level.
 

Schlep

Member
With that said, how do you guys refrain from putting women on pedestals like we talk about in this thread? Is it just a mental thing? If so, how did you guys retrain your mind to prevent this from happening?
My approach is that most women are going to disappoint me because they're not smart enough, generous, caring, good at sex...take your pick.

The very rare time when I do find someone who has everything I look for, then it's harder to control.
 
I don't care If it's a good novel or not, using "pua" terms comes off douchey & cheap.

The process of dating women doesnt need to be analyzed down to every detail with buzzwords to the point that you take the human element out of it. 90% of the battle is developing yourself.

Shortcuts arent the genuine article, and cheating yourself in self development will come back to bite in other areas, including actual relationships which is usually the end game.

What cheating? If a person acquires confidence in themselves, understand that getting rejected means very little, and teach them to sincerely believe the girl is missing out, how is that a bad thing? The main point of many PUA is to develop yourself. That's a core message for Brent and Style: If you don't like yourself, no one will like you back; love yourself first before any women.

Some people don't exactly know how to interact with women. This is evident by some of the posts on this thread, so what's the harm from learning some techniques and acquire some advice from these books? My friend had a difficult time with women and had an actual fear of rejection, because of these "douchy & cheap" books, he is in a committed relationship. I've met the girl also, she's pretty cool and quite cute to boot.

Yes, I'll agree some of the PUA books are douchy, but calling the entire genre douchy and cheap tells me the extent of your ignorance on that field. Have you read "The Game?" Or are you simply assuming it's a manual on picking up women?
 

threenote

Banned
Gahh! I said something majorly stupid in the heat of the moment last night. We had a great date, and we started making out, I stupidly asked her when she would be mine. She was a bit puzzled and said she didn't know. But after that we continued making out passionately and cuddling and she just couldn't get enough.

The biggest reason I said that was because she said she had a lot of feeling for me, and she's never felt this way about a person before.

She keeps texting me and calling me, so I didn't fuck up the relationship. I just want us to be exclusive. I guess she's not ready which makes sense.

Edit: also, does anyone have tips on improving my tongue kissing? She said she loves my kisses, but I feel like I'm not up to par with the tongue kissing...which is strange since I have a lot of experience lol
 
Gahh! I said something majorly stupid in the heat of the moment last night. We had a great date, and we started making out, I stupidly asked her when she would be mine. She was a bit puzzled and said she didn't know. But after that we continued making out passionately and cuddling and she just couldn't get enough.

The biggest reason I said that was because she said she had a lot of feeling for me, and she's never felt this way about a person before.

She keeps texting me and calling me, so I didn't fuck up the relationship. I just want us to be exclusive. I guess she's not ready which makes sense.

Give it time, three. You seem to be on the right track :)
 

News Bot

Banned
A girl I've known for a few years who I find very attractive admitted yesterday that she's "always liked me". We're going on a date tomorrow.

Thing is, I'm not really feeling it even though I like her, but that's probably because it came completely out of left field suddenly. I'm taking it as it comes, but I'd appreciate some wise words.
 

threenote

Banned
A girl I've known for a few years who I find very attractive admitted yesterday that she's "always liked me". We're going on a date tomorrow.

Thing is, I'm not really feeling it even though I like her, but that's probably because it came completely out of left field suddenly. I'm taking it as it comes, but I'd appreciate some wise words.

No harm in hanging out with her once. At least make out with her.
 
A girl I've known for a few years who I find very attractive admitted yesterday that she's "always liked me". We're going on a date tomorrow.

Thing is, I'm not really feeling it even though I like her, but that's probably because it came completely out of left field suddenly. I'm taking it as it comes, but I'd appreciate some wise words.

Take it easy, enjoy yourself, and see what happens. You really don't have much to lose. Take the opportunity to get to know her better and see if you might be interested. Don't put pressure on yourself and be open to the idea of another date in the future if need be, unless you just aren't interested even in the slightest at the end of the night.
 
Gahh! I said something majorly stupid in the heat of the moment last night. We had a great date, and we started making out, I stupidly asked her when she would be mine. She was a bit puzzled and said she didn't know. But after that we continued making out passionately and cuddling and she just couldn't get enough.

The biggest reason I said that was because she said she had a lot of feeling for me, and she's never felt this way about a person before.

She keeps texting me and calling me, so I didn't fuck up the relationship. I just want us to be exclusive. I guess she's not ready which makes sense.

Edit: also, does anyone have tips on improving my tongue kissing? She said she loves my kisses, but I feel like I'm not up to par with the tongue kissing...which is strange since I have a lot of experience lol

Look at it this way, even though you may have said something "stupid," she didn't really seem to mind, and kept on going. Sounds like steady progress to me.

Btw, how long have you been dating her?
 
So I'm sitting here on Facebook, with the chat window open and neither of us having acknowledged the other yet. I updated my status so she knows I'm online. Maybe she wants me to message her, but she messaged me last time and gave me no pertinent reasons to message her this time, but maybe she knows that I know that but maybe she also knows that I know that she knows and

*closes window*


....


*opens window back up again*

THIS IS STUPID AND I HATE IT AND GODDAMNIT I AM DRUDGING UP FEELINGS FOR THIS GIRL AGAIN DESPITE EVERYTHING
 

-PXG-

Member
I'm offically in my first relationship!

*squeels!*

Hopefully your new GF teaches how to properly configure the graphics settings for your PC games too, especially GTA IV and Skyrim.

Those are the ugliest, most fucked up screenshots I've ever seen. Dat constrast, dem colorz
 

You're putting too much emphasis on "chatting." I see why Soultron feels relieve with deleting his account. He doesn't have to deal with this crap. What's the backstory behind this girl? If you have her number, just give her a call or shoot her a text to begin a conversation and arranging a possible meet up.
 
You're putting too much emphasis on "chatting." I see why Soultron feels relieve with deleting his account. He doesn't have to deal with this crap. What's the backstory behind this girl? If you have her number, just give her a call or shoot her a text to begin a conversation and arranging a possible meet up.

It's less the chat and more that she flew out of my life because of her own reasons two months ago and now, just as I'm getting over her, she comes back in being flirty and chatty as if that never actually happened.

It doesn't really matter if it's on facebook or in text or on the phone. I'm trying to think of what significance she thinks coming back in to my life means and whether being the first person to contact this time makes it clear that, yeah, she guessed right, I'm not as over her as I thought.
 
It's less the chat and more that she flew out of my life because of her own reasons two months ago and now, just as I'm getting over her, she comes back in being flirty and chatty as if that never actually happened.

It doesn't really matter if it's on facebook or in text or on the phone. I'm trying to think of what significance she thinks coming back in to my life means and whether being the first person to contact this time makes it clear that, yeah, she guessed right, I'm not as over her as I thought.

I would say block her for being flakey and bitchy towards you. You deserve better than that, man.

Though you probably won't do that, so here's an alternative so you can at least try to make a move on her. Invite her out, begin to flirt with her (i.e. light non-sexual touches slowly leading to more active touch, which is kissing), remember to act sexual (don't be afraid to make sexual jokes), and when you get the chance, kiss-close. If it doesn't work, who cares? Her loss.

Then, ignore her and follow through with some better women. If you succeed, cool. In my book, it's a win-win situation. The former allows you to search for better women, and the latter allows you to hook up with her and if you choose, form a relationship with her.
 
Well, I messaged her because I am literally the stupidest man on earth.

We talked for a little bit about our day and then she went to bed.

I am no closer to figuring out what she wants than I was earlier today.
 

threenote

Banned
Look at it this way, even though you may have said something "stupid," she didn't really seem to mind, and kept on going. Sounds like steady progress to me.

Btw, how long have you been dating her?

We've been dating for less than a month, but we've had feelings for each other for 3 years. We both have very strong feelings for each other and we admitted that before the stupid thing I said.
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
Well despite my slight New Years success I can't seem to meet any girl that is the least bit interested in me. It's rather frustrating as I haven't had a proper relationship since high school and I am 25 now. I'm on a few dating sights sending messages with no luck so far.

Anyone ever get a creeping feeling that you are somehow the ugliest guy on earth, even though you see uglier guys with girlfriends? Frustrating as hell. I'll keep dredging on, but it's an odd feeling thinking high school was your prime, even though you're only mid twenties. :)
 

-PXG-

Member
So I'm sitting here on Facebook, with the chat window open and neither of us having acknowledged the other yet. I updated my status so she knows I'm online. Maybe she wants me to message her, but she messaged me last time and gave me no pertinent reasons to message her this time, but maybe she knows that I know that but maybe she also knows that I know that she knows and

*closes window*


....


*opens window back up again*

THIS IS STUPID AND I HATE IT AND GODDAMNIT I AM DRUDGING UP FEELINGS FOR THIS GIRL AGAIN DESPITE EVERYTHING

This line of thinking is toxic as hell. STOP IT.

Not using FB or deleting your account altogether will alleviate a lot of stress.
 
We've been dating for less than a month, but we've had feelings for each other for 3 years. We both have very strong feelings for each other and we admitted that before the stupid thing I said.

I'm a little surprised you were successful in dating her if you two didn't do anything for three years. Heh, exceptions to the rule. Good job on that front.

Anyway, you should give her a few more weeks. I would like to think a month and a half is enough time to bring up the topic of exclusivity.

Well despite my slight New Years success I can't seem to meet any girl that is the least bit interested in me. It's rather frustrating as I haven't had a proper relationship since high school and I am 25 now. I'm on a few dating sights sending messages with no luck so far.

Anyone ever get a creeping feeling that you are somehow the ugliest guy on earth, even though you see uglier guys with girlfriends? Frustrating as hell. I'll keep dredging on, but it's an odd feeling thinking high school was your prime, even though you're only mid twenties. :)

Here's the thing, women don't care *that* much about appearances (looking clean is always better than looking like shit). The vast majority of the time, women will preference personality over appearance. This is when the 80/20 rule is most applicable, also the rule is 80% personality and 20% appearance. This is the usual rule for women, I've even asked several females friends who are straight, and they agreed with me on this one rule.

Your post resonated a defeatist attitude.The uglier guys have confidence, and they probably like themselves more. Hell, your post wasn't exact, but it's easy to date someone if standards are non-exist.

It might be beneficial to read "The Game", since Struss talks about this guy who was virgin up to your age, and who was from a fundamentalist family, yet he was successful in the dating game after learning some moves, and not giving a fuck.
 
Well despite my slight New Years success I can't seem to meet any girl that is the least bit interested in me. It's rather frustrating as I haven't had a proper relationship since high school and I am 25 now. I'm on a few dating sights sending messages with no luck so far.

Anyone ever get a creeping feeling that you are somehow the ugliest guy on earth, even though you see uglier guys with girlfriends? Frustrating as hell. I'll keep dredging on, but it's an odd feeling thinking high school was your prime, even though you're only mid twenties. :)

Been there, bro. What you need to do is not worry about other people and focus in yourself. Learn to love yourself, of course, and you will be able to not worry about your own looks so much as possibly being a deterrent.

I'm in the same kind of boat as you - 25, limited success, no proper relationship in years (though this was due to my own fault; I threw myself into my career and battled being overweight and unhappy with who I was), but I'm trying to better myself every day, learn new things, lose weight, and just be confident that I'm OK; other people maybe just haven't seen that yet.

The fun thing is sometimes I do think the old adage, "Those who can't do, teach" applies to me, but I usually refer to it in a humorous manner, considering that I've helped others into their relationships (including one of my exes ... no, seriously) yet I've not found anyone yet. However, what I do have is a massive databank of knowledge on all kinds of things, and while I do need help every once in a while, I'm confident enough that I can hook someone if I meet them in person.
 

-PXG-

Member
Well despite my slight New Years success I can't seem to meet any girl that is the least bit interested in me. It's rather frustrating as I haven't had a proper relationship since high school and I am 25 now. I'm on a few dating sights sending messages with no luck so far.

Anyone ever get a creeping feeling that you are somehow the ugliest guy on earth, even though you see uglier guys with girlfriends? Frustrating as hell. I'll keep dredging on, but it's an odd feeling thinking high school was your prime, even though you're only mid twenties. :)

You gotta remember, unless you're really ugly or a really horrible person, chances are, it ain't your fault. You just have shitty luck and just not in the right place at the right time.

I'm kind of in a drought at the moment. I went on a date Monday night. I wasn't really feelin' it, but the girl I went out with totally digs me and had a great time. She just ain't my type at all. Plus, she smokes. We made out for a bit, but the taste of smoke in her mouth started to make me sick. I can't stand that shit. It's foul and utterly disgusting habit.

Anyway, as much as I love being employed and moving towards my goals, I have this ever growing feeling that I will never again have the time or the opportunity to encounter a girl I can see having some kind of future with. Sure, as they all say, that sort of thing is unpredictable and comes into your life when you least expect it. I sure as hell didn't expect to meet my last GF or expect to actually end up being in a relationship. So, yeah, I guess things will end up starting out the same way.

It just depressing coming home from work, spending my free-time alone. I'm too tired to do any artwork or play video games most nights. Lately, I just browse the internet or read a book, before going to bed. I want more that. I have friends, who I see some nights during the week and usually on weekends, but that isn't as fulfilling as I'd like that to be. I miss having a companion and someone special to talk to and spend time with. Now that I have substantial means of taking care of myself and paying for shit, I miss that even more.

I'm just afraid that everything else will work out, but that one aspect of my life will continue to drift and be perpetually empty. When will I meet a girl who's really cool, smart, down to Earth and is actually interested in the kind of relationship I want? Most girls who I meet who fit that criteria are either already taken, or too busy with their own lives to even consider a relationship. So what do I do? Quickies and one nighters aren't fun or interesting for me. I desire a bit more substance and something more meaningful. I'd like that sooner, than later of course. It's been getting me down lately, and has even started distracting me at my job. I can't get these thoughts out of me head. No matter what I do to pre-occupy my mind, they keep coming back.

I'm never happy wherever I am. When I'm at work, I want to be at home, but when I'm at home, I want to be at work. When I'm alone, I want to be out with others, but out with others, sometimes, I see myself just being better off alone. Although I don't want to come off as someone who needs a female to validate his existence, I've noticed I'm much more at ease, happier and overall, much more stable with a lady to call my own. I'm a completely different person. I notice that I have more energy and more motivation. My life feels complete and I get this feeling that everything is going to be okay. Basically, I hate being single. That's just how I am and that's never going to change. I've been single since September and it's been taking a toll on me with each and every passing day. Solitude is something I love and fear. Being alone gives me time to reflect and think. It allows me to go about my business uninterrupted. However, I'm a human being. I'm a social animal. At some point, I need to get out of my own little world and interact with others. It's funny how when I don't want to deal with people, others seem to want me, but when I need them, no one is around. I'm content with who I am and what I do, but I want more than just contentment. I want true happiness and peace of mind. That's something I can't achieve alone and something that I cannot do at my current state. The voids I need filled can only be filled by another. And no, it ain't just sex, as much fun as that is. I miss the emotion, the romance and the passion that relationship gives you. It's a wonderful feeling, especially if you're in love. Love is indescribable. It's something you have to experience yourself. It's a level of devotion, trust, respect and attraction that is beyond written or verbal explanation. I've been in love before. It's an amazing feeling, and I want it again. Not ever having been in love is much easier on the soul than once having it and then losing it. Trust me.


I was going to say more, but I realized I'm just rambling at this point. I guess I'll stop for now.
 

threenote

Banned
I'm a little surprised you were successful in dating her if you two didn't do anything for three years. Heh, exceptions to the rule. Good job on that front.

Anyway, you should give her a few more weeks. I would like to think a month and a half is enough time to bring up the topic of exclusivity.



Here's the thing, women don't care *that* much about appearances (looking clean is always better than looking like shit). The vast majority of the time, women will preference personality over appearance. This is when the 80/20 rule is most applicable, also the rule is 80% personality and 20% appearance. This is the usual rule for women, I've even asked several females friends who are straight, and they agreed with me on this one rule.

Your post resonated a defeatist attitude.The uglier guys have confidence, and they probably like themselves more. Hell, your post wasn't exact, but it's easy to date someone if standards are non-exist.

It might be beneficial to read "The Game", since Struss talks about this guy who was virgin up to your age, and who was from a fundamentalist family, yet he was successful in the dating game after learning some moves, and not giving a fuck.

Yeah, I hear you on that one. I was even friend zoned by her 3 years ago. She told me that was a huge mistake on her part. Anyways, thanks for the advice!
 
What cheating? If a person acquires confidence in themselves, understand that getting rejected means very little, and teach them to sincerely believe the girl is missing out, how is that a bad thing? The main point of many PUA is to develop yourself. That's a core message for Brent and Style: If you don't like yourself, no one will like you back; love yourself first before any women.

Some people don't exactly know how to interact with women. This is evident by some of the posts on this thread, so what's the harm from learning some techniques and acquire some advice from these books? My friend had a difficult time with women and had an actual fear of rejection, because of these "douchy & cheap" books, he is in a committed relationship. I've met the girl also, she's pretty cool and quite cute to boot.

Yes, I'll agree some of the PUA books are douchy, but calling the entire genre douchy and cheap tells me the extent of your ignorance on that field. Have you read "The Game?" Or are you simply assuming it's a manual on picking up women?

Please read what I said again.

Not everyone uses terms like "DHV Spikes", or whatever buzzwords they use so it does come off as douchey and lazy to use them in response to people who possibly haven't purchased that book and may have no idea what they mean. it would've been much more useful to others coming into the thread to read an explanation, rather than buzzwords you pulled out of a how to get women book.

Congrats to your friend.
 

threenote

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Please read what I said again.

Not everyone uses terms like "DHV Spikes", or whatever buzzwords they use so it does come off as douchey and lazy to use them in response to people who possibly haven't purchased that book and may have no idea what they mean. it would've been much more useful to others coming into the thread to read an explanation, rather than buzzwords you pulled out of a how to get women book.

Congrats to your friend.

All of the shit I've ever read on PUA forums or books never worked for me. People need to be their selves, and read up on body language. That's key, in my opinion.
 

hipgnosis

Member
Long post.

This is exactly how I feel too. I don't know how to be without a woman anymore. I just love the nights of closeness, watching a movie and having a good time. Then waking up next to somebody in the morning. I'm 23 years old and the last time I was single was when I was 16.

Also the thrill of going to dates and making out for the first time etc. is something special. To me weekdays are boring as fuck if I don't have some plans with women.

This mindset is something I should try to change though, it is not healthy for you and it is probable that there will be times when you're all alone.
 
Here's the thing, women don't care *that* much about appearances (looking clean is always better than looking like shit). The vast majority of the time, women will preference personality over appearance. This is when the 80/20 rule is most applicable, also the rule is 80% personality and 20% appearance

It's true but when appeareance shows personnality it makes the difference. I dress better than 99% of the other men from where I live and I can assure you it makes a big difference. Not than I am especially good looking (not ugly either), but it helps to improve your self-confidence and to show off your personnality and tastes without even talking.

I noticed that the guys who think they're ugly and not really the ugliest ones, most of the times they're just random and they don't have any style.

Also, except from the objective good looking guys and ugly guys (which are a minority, especially the ugly ones) we are all the ugly guy of someone. You can't be attractive to everybody.
 

Xun

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Just noticed we're not far off 20,000 posts again!

Also the fear of being ugly still taunts me, despite the fact I know it doesn't completely matter either way.
 
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