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No problems here, Social Club is pretty neat.
This sort of thing happens a lot with R*. Their games seem to really get people riled up. I guess R* kinda goes for that on purpose sometimes, but some people go way overboard with it.
Like Andrea Rene on Weekend Confirmed this week said "Oh, that's just how Rockstar is" or something similar to that when someone mentioned that there are no great or memorable female characters in GTA V. She said that's just "their style" if I'm remembering correctly.
Totally ignoring of course characters like Bonnie MacFarlane. Or the fact that the entire 3D era of GTA was kicked off by the player getting outsmarted and outmaneuvered by his girlfriend like five minutes into GTA III.
Spring-Loaded
Member
I tried this and it didn't work. The car never appeared in Michael's 4-car garage or his safehouse garage.
Ooh and now Michael's safehouse garage is locked cool
Your criticism of GTA V's economy and money progression applies to every mainline GTA. Lets take a look at GTA San Andreas, you start out with barely any cash. You're a low level gangbanger with a family home and that's about it.
Right after the first mission or two, Los Santos is your oyster. If you find a fire truck you can make $80,000 for twenty minutes of easy work. You then could gamble your money on horse races or do more activities that rake in easy cash. Such as vigilante missions, you start one up and then run in a fast food joint. Boom, the target is killed.
So after an hour of work in San Andreas you could potentially have a few hundred thousand dollars or more. Without exploits, doing activities and then betting on horse races may take a bit longer, but its still easy money.
Without being an entrepreneur early in the game, you can wait until Las Venturas opens up. Bet on blackjack tables, raise your gambling skill so you can go to the million dollar table. Better yet, you don't actually need a million dollars to bet that amount, if you lose you go into debt.
Fortunately the Japanese Yakuza casino has a save point right at the entrance. So any time you lose, you can reload your last save and try becoming a millionaire instantly once again.
GTA Vice City has similar exploits and oddities. GTA has never been a series where money has to be earned earnestly with tons of effort, if you find a way to make money, and a lot of it, in a timely manner, more power to you.
Pestilence11
Member
wtf is a podcast?
I just had a crazy encounter with a Gruppes Truck and police. Ended up having ditch the truck in the Ocean after losing 3 tires to police snipers and repeatedly dive under water to avoid chopper search cones with little more than a sliver of health.
ThaddeusMcGee
Member
Also I think it's the old "it's fashionable to dislike something popular". Aside from internet sources such as these, I have yet to meet a single human being in actual life that isn't enjoying the game. Well, if they play games. Not everyone does. You know what I mean.
If your whole thing is critiquing games and you have a podcast, you stand to gain nothing by just being like "This game's great." Blinking twice, and ending the podcast. I would recommend ignoring all of these things and to just enjoy the game. This isn't directed at you, I'm just speaking generally.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
Member
You just proved how shitty GTA V's economy is.
I can choose to do whatever activity I want in the old GTAs to make money, while the only viable method to make money here is to exploit the stock market. The old GTAs were infinitely more fun and interesting when it came to making money.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
Kind of agree here. can't remember the last mission that payed me anything. Sucks.
I don't have any problems at all with the story missions not giving much money outside of the heists and some special stuff. I feel it fits with the theme of the story really, really well. Most of the story in GTA5 is about people dealing with their personal problems. When the missions are actually about getting rich, the payoff is big and that makes it more consistent with the risk the characters take for the money. Otherwise, the only times they risk their lives is when there's something they actually care about at stake - their own lives, their freedom, the lives of their friends and family, their passions, etc. It's a great narrative.
But what I do have a serious problem with, is the way properties are handled in the game. The stock market is fantastic. It works the way its supposed to, and there's a high risk when playing with the system outside of the scripted stock movements due to missions. On the other hand, the property management in the game is nonsense. It's poorly designed and balanced, and feels like the weakest link in the game's optional content.
The price you pay for most of the properties don't match up with the returns, and even worse, there's no way to influence the returns or get a refund. You can't sell properties back, you're stuck with them. You can't do optional stuff to improve the returns of the property, even though that makes sense and would have added depth to the game system. If you buy a cinema or a bar, why aren't there missions which you can do to improve the popularity of those businesses? Why can't you invest further into the business by paying for upgrades, marketing, or renovations?
Instead all you get are crappy ass missions from time to time which only serve to punish you if you don't do them by reducing your already low earnings. It's really awful. First you pay lots of money for something that doesn't get you much in the way of returns. Then you have to do garbage filler missions which add zero benefit to your returns. And if you fail those missions or don't want to do them, you end up making even LESS money that week.
Aside from the properties which do give you huge benefits like the Nuclear Waste Disposal Facility and Los Santos Customs, it's actually a bad idea to buy any of the properties in the game. You get no simulation enjoyment out of it, you lose money, and there isn't even good gameplay unlocked. Truly a terrible system which was rushed in at the last moment. Disappointing.
With regards to there being a lack of ways to make good money, I think I agree too. They should really have considered having more sports tournaments too, which are challenging but offer good rewards for those who want to take part in them. A golf tournament, a tennis tournament, doing daredevil stunts for a TV show, etc. The gameplay systems are already there, might as well make use of them right?
But what I do have a serious problem with, is the way properties are handled in the game. The stock market is fantastic. It works the way its supposed to, and there's a high risk when playing with the system outside of the scripted stock movements due to missions. On the other hand, the property management in the game is nonsense. It's poorly designed and balanced, and feels like the weakest link in the game's optional content.
The price you pay for most of the properties don't match up with the returns, and even worse, there's no way to influence the returns or get a refund. You can't sell properties back, you're stuck with them. You can't do optional stuff to improve the returns of the property, even though that makes sense and would have added depth to the game system. If you buy a cinema or a bar, why aren't there missions which you can do to improve the popularity of those businesses? Why can't you invest further into the business by paying for upgrades, marketing, or renovations?
Instead all you get are crappy ass missions from time to time which only serve to punish you if you don't do them by reducing your already low earnings. It's really awful. First you pay lots of money for something that doesn't get you much in the way of returns. Then you have to do garbage filler missions which add zero benefit to your returns. And if you fail those missions or don't want to do them, you end up making even LESS money that week.
Aside from the properties which do give you huge benefits like the Nuclear Waste Disposal Facility and Los Santos Customs, it's actually a bad idea to buy any of the properties in the game. You get no simulation enjoyment out of it, you lose money, and there isn't even good gameplay unlocked. Truly a terrible system which was rushed in at the last moment. Disappointing.
With regards to there being a lack of ways to make good money, I think I agree too. They should really have considered having more sports tournaments too, which are challenging but offer good rewards for those who want to take part in them. A golf tournament, a tennis tournament, doing daredevil stunts for a TV show, etc. The gameplay systems are already there, might as well make use of them right?
What could you actually buy in San Andreas and Vice City anyway though? In San Andreas you buy weapons, clothes, tattoos, haircuts, and safehouses littered throughout the state. In Vice City you have to buy rackets and store fronts to progress through the game, besides storefronts and safehouses you can buy weapons.
After Fire Trucking for 20 minutes in San Andreas I had enough money to buy anything expect safehouses for more than half the game. That one activity paid for any clothes or weapons I could want or need.
Money only has meaning when there's shit to buy. And the shit to be bought in GTA V requires the player to not just rely on traditional means to get those things, sorta like real life.
Net_Wrecker
Member
I never said any of the games did it perfectly, but literally everything you just posted is more gameplay heavy, "in game," and satisfying than the stock market of GTAV. And even without those exploits or quick cash ins you can become filthy rich at a decent pace through missions + properties. something that would take AGES in V because missions barely pay for 80% of the game, and properties are terrible sources of income.
That's probably true. And honestly, it doesn't bother me. I couldn't care less about people on the internet not enjoying something. It's their opinion.
It's just when people start spouting shit that's patently false (like the stuff about Rockstar's "style" being terrible female characters) that it starts to get kind of annoying.
Yes it is! I have been getting high as fuck lately while playing this game and it makes driving so much fun. You know what's even better? Grabbing a fast motorcycle and going top speed on the freeway seeing how long you can go without getting smashed to bits by some knucklehead in a car.
I can drive for like an hour straight just racing around being crazy while high in this game. Such a great experience.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
Member
I don't exactly see how there's any kind of risk in the stock market when you could just roll-over a previous save lol.
You can load saves to recover a loss, but you'll still be at the mercy of the Social Club for all BAWSAQ listings. The risk is that if you buy too late or sell too early, you're missing out on making even more money. That's what makes it fun.
Net_Wrecker
Member
This is exactly why I feel like Rockstar missed the point with the criticism of GTAIV's economy. Okay, there's stuff to buy that's incredibly pricey, but the ONLY way to make enough to buy it is through the stock market. The boring, menu based stock market where you either hold off on Lester's missions until post-game and instantly become a billionaire (which nobody does unless they read it online), or join in on whatever's trending up on BAWSAQ and, again, instantly become a millionaire/billionaire through the boring menu based stock market.
The theme of the game is robbery. You can buy businesses. Let me do heists, and become rich through legit businesses. It's all right there:
- There's a strip club in the game, there's a car dealership, there's an impound lot; there's a weed shop = Franklin.
- There are upscale clubs, there are movie theaters, there are banks, there are country clubs + a golf course = Michael
- There's a meth lab, there are bounties, there are airports/airfields, there's an animal ecosystem, there are farms that can be used for Mary Jane TO SUPPLY FRANKLIN = Trevor
It's all right there. Why didn't they use any of it?
In Vice City that isn't the case. My recent playthrough of Vice City meant me driving around all over Vice City to collect cash from my rackets. Vice city amounts to either being extremely patient and collecting what you own, or doing side activities to make time go faster and to earn extra cash. Using exploits is also an option.
If someone doesn't want to be a cab driver or a pizza delivery man, the only choice is to drive around Vice City and wait for money to be amassed. Get enough money, buy another racket, do the racket missions, and repeat.
In my recent playthrough of San Andreas I didn't need to do other activities after the firefighter missions. $80,000 to start with almost breaks the game early on. Why would I do any other activities when I have enough cash to cheese any scenario in the game? Why be semi truck driver when the cash I earn won't change anything?
My guess is that they simply ran out of time. At some point you have to ship the game and stop expanding features even though they seem really cool. Rockstar's biggest mistake here is that they made a game with too much potential. In fact, putting properties in the game and not being able to flesh them out is probably the biggest mistake. They should have left the system out, and introduced it as part of a larger expansion later on imo.
Whew. Had a blast through the story, but then got really annoyed with some things while going for 100% (turbulence has no business being in the game). Now to make all three billionaires.
Random notes:
It spawns like this, and I don't know why:
Landed it!
My pimped out ride*:
* I put it in the garage at Franklin's safehouse, but it disappeared almost immediately. I'd be sad, but it was inexplicably replaced with the
Space Docker
ShiroAmakusa
Member
I mentioned it a few pages before, but I strongly advice to use a cargo helicopter (e.g. The Cargobob) to get your sub to your desired location. It might not safe much time, depending on your destination, but it's a fun way to do it.
Oh, and check the junkyard(?) right next to the Sandy Shores Hangar. At least in my safegame there is a submarine there. So you don't need to pick up the sub at the Sonar Dock, just to fly it all the way back to the east shore.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
Member
I'd rather do a firetruck mission or any of the activities from the previous games to make money than to use the dumb stock market.
I fail to see how watching numbers go up and down on R*'s glitchy servers with absolutely no player input and no way to affect it as being "fun".
I'd rather have more places to rob, or plan side heists. I absolutely hate playing fictional police man or firefighter, never had fun doing any of that stuff in past GTA's. Only reason to do it was to earn money or some sort of perk, and with enough money you don't actually need to do the other activities.
Net_Wrecker
Member
If they ran out of time on an addition like that, that would tell me they weren't on the right track in the first place. A major complaint with GTAIV was that there was nothing to do with the money you got, especially after the bank robbery where you became rich for no reason all while Niko complained about being poor. Very early on in GTAV's hype cycle there was an interview with someone at Rockstar, and they acknowledged the criticism, and gave hints that they would be fixing it for this game. It's not fixed IMO, at all. Now we have super expensive properties (and vehicles), but mission payouts are rare, and business income takes longer than ever for a smaller percentage of what we need the money for. In the end people run to stocks because it's the only realistic way to buy everything.
Then you AGREE with me. The point isn't firefighter and police missions, the point is giving the player work to make money to buy things to make more money to buy bigger things to make more money. The loop in GTAV feels half finished.
I'd sacrifice GTAOnline, and all of the activities we have now for a real economy revolving around the heists + side heists + the businesses/activities I mentioned above. It would be a much stronger, more focused game because of it.
Restrain This
Neo Member
How'd you get that much money? Was that solely from the Lester stock tips?
scytherage
Member
The only thing that bothers me is the graphics in the actual game look nothing like the trailers. Jaggies everywhere and it looks PS2 quality at night.
Other than that, I'm having fun with this.
Other than that, I'm having fun with this.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
Member
The Hunter is so much cooler than the stupid Buzzard.
maneil99
Member
Major Ending Spoilers
So Pissed off, literally quit playing because of this
So Pissed off, literally quit playing because of this
Thought Deathwish meant Franklin would die so I killed trevor, now because I have no save game I am forced to be locked out of both the trophy for 3 man wanted rating and all of Trevors Side Missions. Dumb move R*
SolidChamp
Banned
Speaking of the economy and businesses with wasted potential, buying the Hen House bar was the biggest waste of money ever.
I've come across 3 or 4 Fleeca banks while playing. I enter every one of them, expecting to be able to rob them, but I always leave disappointed. I expect/hope Rockstar has plans for them in either future DLC or GTAO.
Question, where do I find the 'Bugatti' in this game. I need it badly.
I just want more heists, and more chances to pillage and steal. Money has never been a motivator for me in GTA, I just want money to buy the tools I need to have fun in the sandbox. You aren't wrong, a stronger emphasis on earning money and how earning it could be captivating are great ideas.
For what GTA V is though I've had a blast, still am actually.
Yeah those plus the random encounter with the accountant who gives you a stock tip. I had already done the first two of Lester's missions early on, before I knew about how to use them to exploit the market. I saved the other 3 for later use after I found out.
LOL
CosmicGroinPull
Member
Indeed! Awesome feeling of prepping for a heist and the thrill of carrying out the plan. Wish there was at least 50% more heists.
Shhhhhh!!!!
s74rshaped
Member
Yeah. Start -> Settings -> Display (think its called display) -> Brightness.
Choose brightness and it shows the calibration picture.
Net_Wrecker
Member
It's not that I'm not having fun (a lot of the missions are really good), just that the metagame is broken and isn't engaging. Buying "tools for the sandbox" doesn't appeal to me anymore, especially not in this game where you die in 2 seconds from everything. I want real content, and real goals, and real rewards from doing that content. Like duckroll said, there's so much potential on display that it's frustrating.
Keep in mind that I've put >50 hours in and still have a number of missions to complete. Again, it's not like I dislike the game, I just wish what's mostly a very good game was better.
Go to the Social Club site, link whatever account you're playing the game on. Really simple process.
King Tubby
Member
Best finale ever.
Perfect.
I chose C of course. Save my homies AND kill the motherfuckers who had me working for free the whole game? Hell yes. And just to put a capper on the whole thing, I kidnap Devin Weston as Trevor, taunting him like a psychopath should and Alan Parsons Project "I Wouldn't Wanna Be Like You" is playing on the radio.
Cheers, found it.
Well, plot wise, the only one of the three trying to make money is Franklin. Michael doesn't really need money and neither does Trevor.
I am hoping for more heists to be added later. Rockstar have given the impression that heists will not be ready by Online's launch and will be added later. Maybe they had they idea of recurring heists for single player as well but it wasn't ready in time.
On the whole economy subject, it is pretty much the worst in GTA's history. Businesses are just money sinks and manipulation of the stockmarket is the only way to make above and beyond on the last heists take.
The single player market doesn't make sense. I have had headlines saying the price of a stock has crashed etc, when it has barely moved or gone the other way. Which leaves the online model as the only real way to make a ton of cash.
Not that any of it matters, as crap businesses are the only thing to sink the money into.
From Michael's house go straight down the hill, go past the Ponsonby's on your left, go over the next crossroads and it's parked on the right hand side of the road.
I was/am really annoyed with this. When the game was first telling me there would be followup missions involving my properties, I had the impression I'd be improving the places or otherwise contributing to increased profitability. But nope.
I vaguely recall Rockstar saying there wouldn't even be properties when the game was initially unveiled, which was really disappointing to me. I was pleased to hear about their reversal, but it's pretty half-hearted.
Net_Wrecker
Member
Trevor is 100% trying to make money. Did you miss all the "Trevor Phillips Enterprises" talk, or the meth lab, or running guns, or him being the one to speak up when he isn't getting paid?
And anyway, the plot in a game this unfocused is irrelevant to this discussion (aside from wanting more side activities that match the theme of the narrative). Money can be the player's motivation if the main missions aren't dealing with it. Rockstar obviously made it a part of the game, however slight, by including insanely expensive things to buy. I just wanted it and the businesses to be a more substantial part of the game.