Feel Like I'm On 42
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You mean on PC? Cause there's no RT on Series X.
I doubt Starfield will have rt gi in vanilla version even on PC.
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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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You mean on PC? Cause there's no RT on Series X.
I doubt Starfield will have rt gi in vanilla version even on PC.
mrqs
Member
This is the most insane performance capture I’ve ever seen. Dear lord.
GymWolf
Member
They literally said real time global illumination in the deep dive, i'm sure they were also talking about the console version.
Probably one of the reasons for the 30 fps.
GymWolf
Member
That game was made mostly by bend and probably in a short time\low budget, it's a shitty remake that looks barely better than a ps4 game.
ND is smart, they are gonna use 1440p or the most resource gentle upscaling tech to reach 4k, 30 fps only and the rest of the power for the actual graphic.
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RDR2 had GI too. It's a catch all term for any kind of light bouncing tech no matter how low quality it is.
TheRedRiders
Member
Yup I remember there was some fif-faf around Demons Souls having ray-tracing because one of the developers said it had some sort of real time dynamic GI system, I don't even remember but yes it wasn't RTGI.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
I remember that clearly and he said it had Ray Tracing. Not "real time gi" but ray tracing.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
"Real time gi" is different than RT (ray traced) gi
Lethal01
Member
Okay, show me the best, show me a screenshot or to of the midblowling landscape you are seeing, artistically the game just looks mediocre.
You severely underestimate how quickly technology advances. Going by history, a hypothetical PS8 would launch ~2040, 20 yr gap. Here is a screenshot from one of the best looking games 20 years ago running on the best console hardware.
You severly underestimate the amount of power it takes to go from the best looking realtime graphics to the level of pre rendered cinematics, You may see something and think that it only looks twice as good but it doesn't matter how you feel about it, it takes 100x more power to run.
To be fair, Moore's law is pretty much dead. I don't know if we can keep expecting major technological advances every gen.
You severely underestimate how quickly technology advances. Going by history, a hypothetical PS8 would launch ~2040, 20 yr gap. Here is a screenshot from one of the best looking games 20 years ago running on the best console hardware.
Buggy Loop
Member
I know this thread is chasing more the hyper realistic genre of technical showcases but, Jusant demo on PC blew my mind last night. When the art style is perfectly expressed via pixels on a screen, i don't care much about anything else. This is a beauty on unreal engine 5. It feels like a CG demo from earlier days but filled to the brim with geometry (nanite?).
It's Ico (without annoying hand holding) + Mirror's edge color popping esthetics.
On another subject, it not an attainable rig for most peoples as its $$$$, but i can't believe how immersive these sim rigs are
Or with VR and motion rig
I need this!
It's Ico (without annoying hand holding) + Mirror's edge color popping esthetics.
On another subject, it not an attainable rig for most peoples as its $$$$, but i can't believe how immersive these sim rigs are
Or with VR and motion rig
I need this!
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Just watched it and was gonna post it. The stuff wet dreams are made of.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Could this be why the graphics suck? Rushed to meet the movie.
This, plus doubling the city size (why? The first game was already kinda lacking density. They shouldve gone narrow but high detail instead of wider with Spiderman 2 ..muh big open world tho
Huh, actually makes you think. I don’t think it is a coincidence honestly, both releasing in October. Funny thing is I wasn’t even aware there was a Kraven movie lol.
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H . R . 2
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GOW and Horizon tv shows will also release when the next installment in each series comes out
"I don't believe in coincidences"
arkhamguy123
Banned
How we all feeling about FF16? Anyone get their hands on it yet?
TheKremlinBossMan
Banned
I have it preloaded, and SE was nice enough to send me my collector's edition bonus items code so midnight my friend. Midnight. I'm going to wait about a week before posting things to not spoil anything.
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Still awaiting the day a game looks better
Feel Like I'm On 42
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Where in the game is this from? It looks better than anything I've played of fw
Msamy
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Avatar will coming soon
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arkhamguy123
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The horizon FW fellatio is hitting parody levels. It’s a good looking, hell it’s a great looking souped up PS4 game. But it can’t hang with the next Gen only big boys in my opinion. (Read again: “in. My. Opinion.”)
I’m convinced it’s GIF friendly nature, vibrant high contrast color palette, and BRIGHT lighting have fooled many into thinking it can actually hang with all of the upcoming and already released next Gen only games out there. only WOW moment I had with it was the photorealistic clouds in burning shores and Aloys character model in photo mode. To me, it’s maybe about on par with Rift Apart if not a little better, destroys the likes of say Spider-Man 2, TLOUP1, Star Wars Jedi, dead space remake, GOW:R. And trades blows with the demon souls remake, if not slightly below DS for me. And of course it gets destroyed by the matrix demo. Goes without saying.
But looking ahead at avatar, fable, starfield (yes I’m aware of the character models, still stand by it), and that new Star Wars game? Oh my god. They mop the floor with horizon. They expose it as the cute cross Gen game it always has been. When I pick up FF16 I look forward to seeing how that stacks up graphically. I reckon it’ll trounce horizon 2 in some parts but get trounced in others.
I’m convinced it’s GIF friendly nature, vibrant high contrast color palette, and BRIGHT lighting have fooled many into thinking it can actually hang with all of the upcoming and already released next Gen only games out there. only WOW moment I had with it was the photorealistic clouds in burning shores and Aloys character model in photo mode. To me, it’s maybe about on par with Rift Apart if not a little better, destroys the likes of say Spider-Man 2, TLOUP1, Star Wars Jedi, dead space remake, GOW:R. And trades blows with the demon souls remake, if not slightly below DS for me. And of course it gets destroyed by the matrix demo. Goes without saying.
But looking ahead at avatar, fable, starfield (yes I’m aware of the character models, still stand by it), and that new Star Wars game? Oh my god. They mop the floor with horizon. They expose it as the cute cross Gen game it always has been. When I pick up FF16 I look forward to seeing how that stacks up graphically. I reckon it’ll trounce horizon 2 in some parts but get trounced in others.
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Msamy
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only in character models other than that , I am not agreeing with you
mxbison
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That's so awesome. It's been way too long since we had a big advance in making games more immersive. The worlds are bigger and look nicer but it's still all just a facade. No physics, no real interaction with NPCs.
This could be the biggest jump since 2D -> 3D.
Yeah, honestly when I watched that I was in awe of the tech. This would be one of the biggest jumps in videogame history like you mentioned. We need immersion and immersive worlds, proper interactions, realistic NPCs etc. Keeping an eye out on this tech and its evolution.
Everything looks great with 480p gifs. That's the reason it's always some low res gif often covered with film grain.
The game looks great in darker scenes but i well-lit scenes the lighting looks very flat almost reminiscent of ff14 obviously the fidelity is much better. I wish the game was more consistent visually but damn the highs seem to be stunning.FFXVI Screenshots. Post-demo so I'm slapping spoiler tags on these bad boys. #4-5 are from a particularly stunning scene in terms of lighting but sadly the image most likely won't do justice.
KXVXII9X
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The games still have that plastic-y feel. I hope games can stylize somewhat to get rid of that gloss on everything.
ChiefDada
Member
Fair point.
Even "RTGI" is being used very loosely to imply higher quality than present.
Jusant?
Buggy Loop
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TheKremlinBossMan
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FFXVI Screenshots. Post-demo so I'm slapping spoiler tags on these bad boys. #4-5 are from a particularly stunning scene in terms of lighting but sadly the image most likely won't do justice.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It's still technically the best looking game on any platform. Burning shores' clouds are indeed a wow moment. But yes, all you have to do is go back and start playing it again and its shortcomings becoming obvious as you can see below.
You can find ugly screenshots of any game, but what these screenshots do is point out several sacrifices they had to make in order to get this game running on PS4.
- underwhelming lighting in many areas
- low level of detail on rocks and stones, not just mountains in the distance. see first screenshot.
- some really bad looking grass in several areas. very odd considering foliage rendering is the game's strong suit
- simply poor interiors
- poor LODs in the distance. Flying exposes just how bad some trees look from the distance especially palm trees.
- just a general lack of object density. you wont notice it because they do such a good job with the cinematography but a lot of the times they have the same foliage, textures and other objects repeating. i get that its supposed to be procedurally generated but Burning Shores is the first time i picked up on how simple the environments are in Horizon. At first I thought it was too much detail that was giving me an eye sore, but its actually the opposite. everything blends in because there isnt enough differentiating between different trees, foliage, and other world objects.
This is one of the few games where I took more ugly screenshots than good screenshots. It's surprisingly inconsistent.
Msamy
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That's exactly what makes avatar looks better , that's aside I think death stranding 2 and horizon 3 will look far better than hfw , I searched on the LinkedIn profiles for guerilla , naughty dog any sony santa monica programmer's and I found that guriella games have many experienced programmer's than any other sony studio's and they even add more talents right now which make me believe decima engine are major part of sony future plans , also naughty dog have very high profile programmer's (who don't leave the studio since 2008 ) and I can't wait to see their new rendering engine ingame graphics.It's still technically the best looking game on any platform. Burning shores' clouds are indeed a wow moment. But yes, all you have to do is go back and start playing it again and its shortcomings becoming obvious as you can see below.
You can find ugly screenshots of any game, but what these screenshots do is point out several sacrifices they had to make in order to get this game running on PS4.
- underwhelming lighting in many areas
- low level of detail on rocks and stones, not just mountains in the distance. see first screenshot.
- some really bad looking grass in several areas. very odd considering foliage rendering is the game's strong suit
- simply poor interiors
- poor LODs in the distance. Flying exposes just how bad some trees look from the distance especially palm trees.
- just a general lack of object density. you wont notice it because they do such a good job with the cinematography but a lot of the times they have the same foliage, textures and other objects repeating. i get that its supposed to be procedurally generated but Burning Shores is the first time i picked up on how simple the environments are in Horizon. At first I thought it was too much detail that was giving me an eye sore, but its actually the opposite. everything blends in because there isnt enough differentiating between different trees, foliage, and other world objects.
This is one of the few games where I took more ugly screenshots than good screenshots. It's surprisingly inconsistent.
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arkhamguy123
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I disagree on the first sentence. But I’m open to changing my mind. Could you expand on how it is “technically” the best looking game on any platform?It's still technically the best looking game on any platform. Burning shores' clouds are indeed a wow moment. But yes, all you have to do is go back and start playing it again and its shortcomings becoming obvious as you can see below.
You can find ugly screenshots of any game, but what these screenshots do is point out several sacrifices they had to make in order to get this game running on PS4.
- underwhelming lighting in many areas
- low level of detail on rocks and stones, not just mountains in the distance. see first screenshot.
- some really bad looking grass in several areas. very odd considering foliage rendering is the game's strong suit
- simply poor interiors
- poor LODs in the distance. Flying exposes just how bad some trees look from the distance especially palm trees.
- just a general lack of object density. you wont notice it because they do such a good job with the cinematography but a lot of the times they have the same foliage, textures and other objects repeating. i get that its supposed to be procedurally generated but Burning Shores is the first time i picked up on how simple the environments are in Horizon. At first I thought it was too much detail that was giving me an eye sore, but its actually the opposite. everything blends in because there isnt enough differentiating between different trees, foliage, and other world objects.
This is one of the few games where I took more ugly screenshots than good screenshots. It's surprisingly inconsistent.
Cause to me it looks great but I’d call that a sizable exaggeration. What’s under the hood that makes it so impressive? No advanced physics or simulations or anything to my knowledge?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I meant technically until better looking games come out later this year or next year. Not technically as if its doing technical things better than other games.
As inconsistent as HFW can be, i still find it more consistent than Cyberpunk and Ratchet, the other two contenders. nothing released so far this year has come close. Matrix obviously looks better but not a real game.
arkhamguy123
Banned
I think DS takes it. Parts of ratchet take it. But that’s just me.
ChiefDada
Member
It's still technically the best looking game on any platform. Burning shores' clouds are indeed a wow moment. But yes, all you have to do is go back and start playing it again and its shortcomings becoming obvious as you can see below.
You can find ugly screenshots of any game, but what these screenshots do is point out several sacrifices they had to make in order to get this game running on PS4.
- underwhelming lighting in many areas
- low level of detail on rocks and stones, not just mountains in the distance. see first screenshot.
- some really bad looking grass in several areas. very odd considering foliage rendering is the game's strong suit
- simply poor interiors
- poor LODs in the distance. Flying exposes just how bad some trees look from the distance especially palm trees.
- just a general lack of object density. you wont notice it because they do such a good job with the cinematography but a lot of the times they have the same foliage, textures and other objects repeating. i get that its supposed to be procedurally generated but Burning Shores is the first time i picked up on how simple the environments are in Horizon. At first I thought it was too much detail that was giving me an eye sore, but its actually the opposite. everything blends in because there isnt enough differentiating between different trees, foliage, and other world objects.
This is one of the few games where I took more ugly screenshots than good screenshots. It's surprisingly inconsistent.
Dude you've been on a roll with your takes over the past week or so. Who are you and what have you done with the real SlimySnake!?
Will the real SlimyShady please stand up!
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Ff16 quality mode. No spoilers. Just some combat and early area.
Just look how amazing it loks when the light hits correctly.
It's just a ragdolled enemy.
The guys in the back don't have shadows because they are in shade but the knight in front does have a shadow. it's just very subtle. Should probably be harsher.
But even so, I love how the pbr materials on armours. They have some problems in shaded areas but when there is light, it looks very good
Just a random dead enemy up close in photo mode:
Some shots in the forest look great
And this is how HDR looks. HGIG. I later switched to DTM with dtm calivration and it also looks good. Game uses ps5 system level calibration. This is why I insist that HDR is so important. Even though iphone shot does not show it enough, it's better than just a screenshot
Just look how amazing it loks when the light hits correctly.
It's just a ragdolled enemy.
The guys in the back don't have shadows because they are in shade but the knight in front does have a shadow. it's just very subtle. Should probably be harsher.
But even so, I love how the pbr materials on armours. They have some problems in shaded areas but when there is light, it looks very good
Just a random dead enemy up close in photo mode:
Some shots in the forest look great
And this is how HDR looks. HGIG. I later switched to DTM with dtm calivration and it also looks good. Game uses ps5 system level calibration. This is why I insist that HDR is so important. Even though iphone shot does not show it enough, it's better than just a screenshot
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