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Vigilant Walrus
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I think you're right.
Taunts problem in WoW was that it turned you into a guy who had to keep up aggro/threat, and just spam taunt every time it went off cooldown. That was really the problem. GW2 doesnt have threat mechanics like that, so Taunt is just going to be a pretty cool control ability. I am not worried about that at all.
What I am worried about though, is CC in PvP. I like that GW2 has relatively little CC. Or at least that a lot of CC is breakable. Unbreakable CC just annoys the shit out of me. I don't mind things like slow or chilled, because you're just hindered, you still play. But if I have to sit there and be turned into a sheep for 8-10 seconds with no way of breaking out of it - It makes it not very fun. And when I played WoW, the PvP had a lot of, and I mean a lot of CC. I heard they reduced that some years ago though.
I hope the new CC can be broken. I mean it really should. I like the way, almost every class can equip themselves with a lot of escape cards. I often do that. I always have Shake it off on me, aka "The Taylor Swift Shout", but also that if you dont have any escape cards, then you will suffer control effects.
And that is good. That is great about GW2 pvp that we still have to think about what sort of things we take with us. Utility skills matter.
Which is something I am wondering about;
1) You can't equip two weapons like Engineer and Ele can't, but the active Legend you equip decides the heal, utility and elite skills.
So no interchanging swapping? You can't have the Janis Dwarf Legend active, and then take the heal spell from one of the other legends?
Because doesn't that take away from the customization? We knew we wouldnt be able to swap weapon skills, but I am surprised if you can't individual deck out the right skill bar?
Kos Luftar
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I may have Taunted Jira.
It's official, jumping puzzles are the worst >_< My left thumb hurts like hell from all the excessive jumping and I'm still nowhere near neither the diving goggles nor the achievement and chest for completing this shit (you gotta do it twice yeah? Not So Secret jp)... This jumping mechanic is worse than Little Big Planet, maybe my keyboard is a bit old but pressing space doesn't do anything half the time and judging jumping distances is a pain in the ass :lol
Kos Luftar
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Some extra info from Polygon article.
http://www.polygon.com/features/201...-2-profession-reveal-revenant-pc-mmo-arenanet
Uhh like what. When you jump do you make the thumbs down sign with your left hand and then ram it into the keyboard? Or is your keyboard made of rocks.
Edit: that's how I'm jumping from now on btw
Have you done any JPs besides Not So Secret? It's not a great place to get the hang of it if not. I don't recall being annoyed by the jumping there, whatever feel for it I'd developed on other JPs kept working.
shysaursoft
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If you're having timing issues, I'd recommend getting a tonic that lets you jump, like Charr Toy Soldier, or Ghost. Then, lower ALL your graphical settings (except resolution), so you get the best (60+ fps ideally) framerate possible. Then try it again.
If you have a mouse with two thumb buttons, try putting jump on a thumb button there (I have dodge and jump on my right thumb).
(Also, don't play Super Mario Bros again today - you might discover there is way more lag between pressing jump, and Mario moving up, than you remember. I hit that recently, was a surprise.)
Kos Luftar
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I saw taunt as a reverse fear, and something the game needs. More ways to move bunkers off points, and more ways to discourage stacking in pve. Looks like a few of the new skills hurt more with bad positioning. I'm all for it. I want positioning to matter much more in every mode.
The energy bar is really interesting. It would be nice if the mechanic was opened up to other classes in the future. But could just be their unique thing.
I'd imagine with all the hype flying around the class seems a little too good. But given the coming specializations every class will probably see a fair boost of new stuff.
The energy bar is really interesting. It would be nice if the mechanic was opened up to other classes in the future. But could just be their unique thing.
I'd imagine with all the hype flying around the class seems a little too good. But given the coming specializations every class will probably see a fair boost of new stuff.
Thoughts:
- The article says that energy is a "unique resource system," but I wouldn't be shocked if other professions pick up energy and upkeep skills as part of their specialization package.
- Everything about the Revenant sounds excellent. It's interesting that that they mentioned Hammer and Mace as weapons, and the HoT trailer showed Revenants using staff. It could be that they're taking a cleric-like approach to their weapons. Rytlock uses a sword in both the concept art and the HoT trailer, but that could just be character-specific (he used a pistol despite being a warrior, for example).
- Another profession with an energy mechanic (the other being Thieves' Initiative, of course), but this one sounds like it will be more about a careful balance between regeneration and expenditure / upkeep. It's a more involved mechanic than I think we're used to seeing, so hopefully that increased difficulty will whittle down on the "Everyone and their grandma is playing a Revenant" effect... not that it matters since every profession can fill every role, so at least we're not facing the "five Death Knights walk into a dungeon..." joke that WotLK was.
- Hammer as a ranged weapon is cool, but I worry the "Melee weapon used in a strange way" twist is going to get old as time goes on. It was insanely cool with Mesmer greatsword, and this sounds like it'll be pretty sweet too (I expect a lot of blond Norn Revenants running around with names like "x x x Mighty Thor x x x" soon), but I worry it's becoming an overplayed angle. Still, it's a lot more interesting approach than most MMOs, so at least there's that.
- I would expect to see more direction-targeted (aka Skillshot) skills overall. Cascading attacks, moveable fields, chaining attacks, and more will likely be appearing for the other professions as well.
- All three of the new status effects sound like they will drastically shake things up. Resistance is going to be interesting as "Condition suppression", not removing them but still negating their effects. It's nice that all of the profession mechanics that rely on their target to be affected by conditions aren't suddenly broken, and I could see them going through and weeding out full-on condition removal in places and substituting it for Resistance to give condi builds a shot in the arm.
- Slow seems kind of redundant with Chilled and Crippled, so unless they merge / eliminate one, there will be 3 flavors of 'move slower' now. One of the things I really liked about GW2 is that they consolidated boons and conditions instead of the huge pile of redundant buffs most MMOs have (heh, I think there's a game somewhere under that UI). I'll want to see it in action and compare it to the effects of Chilled.
- Taunt. I have a feeling just the implication that there's a snap aggro ability (spoiler: it sounds like a reverse fear / knockback or the world's slowest pull) is going to be met with cries of "fuck the trinity!" and "you sed no tanking!". Which are both sentiments I can honestly get behind, but in this case it's just not true. We'll have to see how it plays out, but anyone who reads this and thinks "OMG, GW2 has Trinity now" is over reacting. I'll be sure to stay off Reddit for a few days until cooler heads prevail... maybe make that a few weeks.
On that note though, it does mean there's a new form of control in town which is cool, and using the familiar terminology (even if mechanically it is only slightly similar) will be a nice way to shut up the people who get all "OMG, GW2 combat is too chaotic, I can't process more than one thing at a time while watching youtube videos, reading tumblr and stuffing doritos into my gaping, unshaven orc maw!"
- It'll be interesting to see how Taunt plays with the new Unshakeable gauge/mechanic we've seen on POI. I'm hoping the way it works is that each control ability drains a set amount of the bar, which would constantly regenerate. If the bar is ever drained completely, the enemy becomes Defiant and ignores control abilities until the bar fills all the way back up. In that way, smart groups would carefully apply control abilities so that the bar is never fully depleted. People who just spam abilities because that's all they're used to / have the mental capacity for would have to learn how to play correctly or get used to getting kicked from groups.
Nemesis121
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Rev Hammer, me like, I got Juggernaut want to see the effects when it's thrown..
Let's be clear here. The Taunt will likely be a 5-7 sec effect in PvE, once its over mob will then focus on someone else based on XYZ threat tables. Like Retro said it's a reverse fear or slow pull, it's meant to take pressure off of an ally much like stuff like knockbacks/pulls/fears already do. You won't be able to chain it and keep a mob only on you forever. My guess is abilities with Taunt will have at least a 20s CD.
I think even 5-7 seconds would be too much, I was thinking more like 5 seconds tops, even in PVE. In PVP I'd be shocked if it ever goes over 3 seconds. That's the maximum amount of fear you can apply baseline (Necros can kick that up to 4.5 with Master of Terror
I'm with Vigilant Walrus, I think total loss of control should be a big no-no for games. Thanks to stunbreak abilities, it's not so bad in GW2 as it was other games (Stunlock rogues in WoW, for example), but any mechanic where you can only sit helplessly and watch yourself die is not okay in my book. So I hope, at the very least, Taunt comes with some kind of counterbalance. For example, since you're forced to run at and auto-attack your target, your auto attack damage should be increased while under the effect of Taunt. After all, someone did piss you off enough to ignore everything else.
That shit's already in the game? Damn we suck
oh man that sounds awesome
UltimateIke
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I had to put off getting him for months (I bought materials for Sunrise/Twilight instead), so I'm super happy to finally have the best mini.
The reason I think it will work better than skills like, say, Scorpion Wire, is that it's a condition that results in action, rather than a physical manipulation of another player that can get snagged on the geometry or hung up in line of sight / lag issues. Slap taunt on em and, at least in theory, the game should make them run off the wall at you. Of course, most WvW walls have a little ledge you can't run over, so... we'll see.
That's not a white moa
Kos Luftar
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You can kind of already do this with pulls. Engis, Mesmers and Necros. Not sure if guardian can chain and pull from the ground some one that's high up.
Slow isn't like Cripple or Chilled, it's like reverse Quickness! Mesmers should have a specialization or whatever to be able to use Time Warp defensively to cause it (to enemies) instead. Chilled doesn't slow actual skill use at all; it extends skill cooldowns (Cripple obviously doesn't affect skills in the first place).
Vigilant Walrus
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It's so weird thinking that we have all this Revernant class info, and they still haven't even talked about Revernant specialization! It's probably none of these weapons!
So;
Hammer
Longbow
Sword main-hand
Axe Main-hand
Sword off hand
That means, there should be around 5-6 Legends if they want to make the equal amount of heal-utility-elite skills as the other classes have.
Could greatsword be the specialization? Polearms would really have been cool!
So;
Hammer
Longbow
Sword main-hand
Axe Main-hand
Sword off hand
That means, there should be around 5-6 Legends if they want to make the equal amount of heal-utility-elite skills as the other classes have.
Could greatsword be the specialization? Polearms would really have been cool!
Yeah, I don't expect Slow to affect your movement speed, just the rate at which your actions are performed. The only thing I am not sure about are actions that cause movement, like Warrior's GS Beyblade thing; I'm pretty sure haste currently does affect the speed at which those travel.
hockeypuck
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The new AI algorithms are already being updated into the game. The NPCs are starting to send whispers. Kinda freaky, TBH.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
so RIP guardians?
Ragnarok Online had taunt but no one seems to remember. Fuck WoW.
Ragnarok Online had taunt but no one seems to remember. Fuck WoW.
shysaursoft
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it does. it's like being in "slow motion" or "fast motion" anytime you activate a skill. Time Warp should just be updated to do it, seriously.
Probably not because I assume its high cooldown is tied to the fact it can't be stripped, and changing that would bring balance issues which just screams "don't fix what isn't broken.
And tell me more about these condi buffs Colin
Adding a new control effect should make stability, and consequently the class that best imparts AoE stability, even more important.
silvermember
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Why this doesn't in any way negative impact the guardian more than any class. I would argue it impact the less.
All I can tell you is nothing off the table.
LumpOfCole
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The update made me want to get a good looking hammer for Ritualist
I think I'll stick with the Tempest Hammer, which I already unlocked
I think I'll stick with the Tempest Hammer, which I already unlocked
I also highly doubt that 'Taunt' will be Revenant exclusive, or any other new conditions they talked about for that matter.
LumpOfCole
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If the new Mesmer weapon really is a shield, I will bet 20 gold right now that one of the new Mesmer abilities is summoning a clone/phantasm that taunts.
I'll take you up on that bet.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
the idea of giving the enemies the raspberry or yo mama jokes is hilarious
So many responses 
Thanks!
Hahaha not quite xD It's just that I did three jumping puzzles back to back for around 2 hours straight.
I knowI was going to offer helping you do the JP but then I remembered you are in the EU
Thanks!Yes, I did chaos crystal cavern just before that one last night and the one in Fireheart Rise as well. I've also done maybe 3 to 5 other easier ones. I probably got all fired up and stressed out from the falling
That's a neat idea actually, will try that! I should move dodge to the mouse anyway as well.
Kos Luftar
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Minmu there is probably enough gold in our transfer fund to help you and your girl friend transfer to SBI if you are interested.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
what armor is this charr wearing
or is it one of those "NPC only" armor
or is it one of those "NPC only" armor
Kos Luftar
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NPC Rambo set.
Kos Luftar
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Revs skills sound really cool. Reminds me of when we were learning about GW2 professions. HYPE!
http://www.mmorpg.com/mobile/features.cfm?read=9418&page=2
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Oh, NPC outfit huh? Lame
So Revenant has a mix of both cooldown and Thief's "initiative"-esque requirement huh. I guess the tradeoff is that the skills are very powerful/more impactful.
Also I'm glad I'm part of community threads. Main forum is shitty already due to TO fanboyism.
So Revenant has a mix of both cooldown and Thief's "initiative"-esque requirement huh. I guess the tradeoff is that the skills are very powerful/more impactful.
Also I'm glad I'm part of community threads. Main forum is shitty already due to TO fanboyism.
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