UltimateIke
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Adrenaline got nerfed pretty hard in September, so maybe this will do a little to make up for it. Though I have to wonder what you'll be spending it on.
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Each stack of adrenaline decreases your DPS by 10% but increases your party's DPS by 5%.
Alternative answer: It is used to heal yourself.
Healing Signet even more OP.
UltimateIke
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Maybe it gives you the lung power to use both warhorns at once.
2 hours ago I was waiting between classes and decided to check reddit on my phone. Started reading the first blog post and had to walk around a corner to avoid having a public nerdgasm.
That said, there are a bunch of new extra questions, including how all of this relates to Runes and Sigils (and it sounds like they're changing Runes, possibly making the current PvP system game wide).
That said, there are a bunch of new extra questions, including how all of this relates to Runes and Sigils (and it sounds like they're changing Runes, possibly making the current PvP system game wide).
Kos Luftar
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Hope tomorrow they use the Ranger as an example and go through setting up a build and how it will work.
The text is bit confusing especially since they are using a class that I don't play to explain the changes.
The text is bit confusing especially since they are using a class that I don't play to explain the changes.
Glad they are taking more time than usual 30min POI/Ready Up streams.
Ha, I know, but I just enjoy playing the game more when my character is wearing some kickass armor (by the way this game is chock-full of awesome armor sets). I'll get around to upgrading the armor sooner or later.
It makes super sense to me so I'm willing to type about it during my break, if it helps. There is a lot of text and I had a whole 90 minutes of class to reread if in between note taking.
Simply put, all max level builds will now involve exactly three grandmaster traits. You cannot swap out a grandmaster for something else.
There will now only be 9 major traits per "expertise". Three for Adept, three for Master, and three for Grandmaster.
We still have minor traits.
You do not put points into a trait or specialization line. You just choose a specialization line and it is essentially "immediately maxed out". How much functionality you get in that line is more exactly defined by the amount of skill points placed into its specialization track.
There are ways to get skill points outside of leveling up and skill challenges. They will probably add more as well, otherwise the economy will likely be significantly affected.
Simply put, all max level builds will now involve exactly three grandmaster traits. You cannot swap out a grandmaster for something else.
There will now only be 9 major traits per "expertise". Three for Adept, three for Master, and three for Grandmaster.
We still have minor traits.
You do not put points into a trait or specialization line. You just choose a specialization line and it is essentially "immediately maxed out". How much functionality you get in that line is more exactly defined by the amount of skill points placed into its specialization track.
There are ways to get skill points outside of leveling up and skill challenges. They will probably add more as well, otherwise the economy will likely be significantly affected.
Obviously hard to tell without all the specifics, but I like the core ideas more. Seems they're down for merging boring/necessary utility traits into those more interesting. I also like the idea of being more focused in fewer lines but have more to choose from within those lines. Probably makes balancing easier too, especially as new specialization lines are added in the future.
tomorrow should be interesting. what I don't like are new weapons being tied to specializations, and "hero points" going away from doing certain world content. Anet took a half step toward the cool capture mechanic from GW, and promptly ran away from it. Giving players more reason to run out into the world and do stuff/explore is an interesting element that I feel would pay off if properly implemented.
human onion
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WOAH, crazy changes going on here. Separation of stats from trait lines is probably my most liked change, but I'm not sure about limiting yourself to three trait lines. We'll see how this pans out.
Dunno, shouting at stuff seems more like a Druid thing. One of the shouts can even be "bear this" as they shoot bears with their bows.
Although, warrior with 6 shouts would match the dual warhorn spec, so I'm thorn.
Their pants suddenly become skirts when using the Elite.
I really don't like this. But until I can see the Guardian and Thief traitlines I don't really have an informed opinion. But this is taking away a lot of choice.
shout thief all day every day
They already do enough shouting in pvp.
Well as the resident Guardian master, it most likely means the actives will do something other than just boons, perhaps even augment your skills and change the way you actively play into a playstyle that you'd like.
Justice would make all attacks fiery for a short period, inflicting Burning regardless of being immune to conditions
Resolve would give your attacks a heal component - the strength of the attack would add healing done plus a stack of Regeneration.
Courage would add stability stacks, of course.
UltimateIke
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Shout Necro could finally have party buffs.
Same about traps. Mentioned in the Massively article was traps as well so my guess would be Engineer. I'm just not sure how well it works with Hammers.
My personal guess for the shout class is Mesmer. Frontline Shield/Sword Mesmer Bard.
Edit: They're going over every single trait tomorrow: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/pvp/Ready-Up-4-24-Specializations-AMA/first
My personal guess for the shout class is Mesmer. Frontline Shield/Sword Mesmer Bard.
Edit: They're going over every single trait tomorrow: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/pvp/Ready-Up-4-24-Specializations-AMA/first
every single trait? shit. I need to be watching thaaaat
UltimateIke
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My Warrior traits wishlist is basically what does and doesn't need to be moved so you aren't ruined by the "you can only choose 1 of the 3 major traits from each level" change. It's also which traits I like and don't want to see "streamlined" out of the system.
- In Strength, keep Dual Wielding, Great Fortitude, Slashing Power, Axe Mastery, and Berserker's Power where they are. They're already spread out to different levels and could all be used where needed in the new system.
- In Arms, move Forceful Greatsword to Grandmaster. Then move either Rending Strikes or Deep Strike to the Master spot.
- In Defense, I don't really care where anything in particular ends up, but Shield Master and Missile Deflection need to merge. Maybe drop the +90 toughness part from Shield Master if it feels like too much?
- In Tactics, keep Inspiring Banners, Empower Allies, Phalanx Strength, Lung Capacity, Quick Breathing, and Vigorous Shouts where they are. Buff Empowered another percent or two and move it to Grandmaster. Merge Powerful Banners from Strength into Inspiring Banners maybe? (I actually don't think it would be too much for that to be a normal part of banners, even untraited. It's barely 1000 damage once every 96 to 120 seconds.)
- In Discipline, move either Warrior's Sprint or Signet Mastery to the Master slot, and keep Heightened Focus and Burst Mastery as is.
Minor traits should pretty much stay as they are, unless they are generous enough to merge more stuff into them. There are a few I would certainly be sad to lose; Discipline minor traits in particular shouldn't be removed.
The majority of the rest of the traits are on weapon sets or skill types I'm not really concerned with what happens to the bonuses. There are certainly places they can be improved to make more builds more viable, but I won't worry about them and can probably accept whatever happens, good or bad.
- In Strength, keep Dual Wielding, Great Fortitude, Slashing Power, Axe Mastery, and Berserker's Power where they are. They're already spread out to different levels and could all be used where needed in the new system.
- In Arms, move Forceful Greatsword to Grandmaster. Then move either Rending Strikes or Deep Strike to the Master spot.
- In Defense, I don't really care where anything in particular ends up, but Shield Master and Missile Deflection need to merge. Maybe drop the +90 toughness part from Shield Master if it feels like too much?
- In Tactics, keep Inspiring Banners, Empower Allies, Phalanx Strength, Lung Capacity, Quick Breathing, and Vigorous Shouts where they are. Buff Empowered another percent or two and move it to Grandmaster. Merge Powerful Banners from Strength into Inspiring Banners maybe? (I actually don't think it would be too much for that to be a normal part of banners, even untraited. It's barely 1000 damage once every 96 to 120 seconds.)
- In Discipline, move either Warrior's Sprint or Signet Mastery to the Master slot, and keep Heightened Focus and Burst Mastery as is.
Minor traits should pretty much stay as they are, unless they are generous enough to merge more stuff into them. There are a few I would certainly be sad to lose; Discipline minor traits in particular shouldn't be removed.
The majority of the rest of the traits are on weapon sets or skill types I'm not really concerned with what happens to the bonuses. There are certainly places they can be improved to make more builds more viable, but I won't worry about them and can probably accept whatever happens, good or bad.
Complistic
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I really don't care how they redesign it so long as there's more build diversity.
It gives a boring, passive +300 vitality. It's a grandmaster trait with all the excitement of unbuttered toast and it needs to die.
Yeah Force of Will needs to change somehow. Even if it's just a cooler subset of my healthpool with a special effect I'd be happy. Maybe it's the "first" 3,000 that regenerates super quickly in combat and takes half damage, but once it's gone can not be healed back up until you exit combat. Just something with some flavor and potential strategy.
Sounds badass actually!
Umm, prepare for disappointment. Mathematically it's a tremendous reduction in build diversity. One may claim that the new builds will be better balanced because there are fewer, but to claim there will be more build diversity is only possible by torturing the word "viable."
Nevertheless I am optimistic that fun, new mechanics will compensate for the lack of diversity.
That's about how I'd do it if you absolutely had to have it just give "more health". It's treated like a 'layer' of health you have to penetrate to get to the real health underneath. Maybe some kind of luminous armor that appears over your character when you're hit (because we don't want a full-body Aegis effect). Definitely can't be healed but regenerates out of combat.
Anything is better than "Here, have more numbers!"
Exactly. From sheer numerical standpoint, "build diversity" is going down because a shitload of traits are getting removed. However, what's likely to get removed are traits that nobody was using in the first place, and what's left will be changed to be more substantial. There's less wiggle room for crazy, weird builds to be created, but those tend to be kind of niche at best.
My personal hope is that the boring, passive "x% chance to ______", "increases damage by y" and "+z to ______" type traits are what ends up on the cutting room floor and what's left is mostly the (to use ANet's term) "Skillful" traits. People gravitate towards the safe, passive stuff that's easy to theorycraft because it takes no real skill or awareness to use it. Force of Will draws my ire because any idiot can greatly benefit from being a bigger damage sponge, whereas something like Missile Deflection can be amazing, but only in the right hands.
Bottom line: Less traits overall but more you want to use is better than more traits overall but a bunch you never touch.
True, in principle. But the primary blow to diversity is not the overall reduction from 13->9 traits per line but the forced choice of 1/3 at each tier. No more grabbing two master traits or two adepts and a master in a line- you're significantly more dependent on Anet's weighting of the traits. And no more speccing for minor traits either. After tomorrow we'll have a good idea of just how constrained we will be.
We've had this discussion before, but to quickly rehash it increases the Guardian's Vitality by an entire tier. That's the level of stat boost that can (and should, although it doesn't in practice) change the way your game is played. It probably needs to be buffed to at least 500 Vitality once they remove attributes from trait lines (and I'd prefer 700), but the point of the trait is that it ups your health from the lowest value in the game to the point where it approaches a Warrior's natural health pool. The only reason I'd have for removing it is because Vitality as a stat isn't as impactful as it might be in another RPG.
Its all speculation until we can play it. PvP will be pvp, but curious how this reflects the pve stuff in HoT.
Sounds like it should favor my guardian since I won't lose dps stats for taking Pure of Voice / Put Ari Out. Ditto with the Warrior and Phalanx strength. A thief being able to have full zerk stats + stealth traits will be something, too. Wonder if the increased equipment stats will mess with the exotic vs Ascended ratio.
Sounds like it should favor my guardian since I won't lose dps stats for taking Pure of Voice / Put Ari Out. Ditto with the Warrior and Phalanx strength. A thief being able to have full zerk stats + stealth traits will be something, too. Wonder if the increased equipment stats will mess with the exotic vs Ascended ratio.
Complistic
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I did mean viable. like 50% of the old traits didn't need to exist as there were better options
It's a GrandMaster trait that ups a guardian's health pool at the cost of significant other useful traits. The pay off is not justificable for what it offers. Making it give a Defiance bar would probably make it pretty big in WvW for guardians assuming Stability stacks with it. Its usefulness would be countered by how Pure of Voice is also incredibly useful (and will be even more if it also gets the cooldown reduction), although I expect Battle Presence to be tied to a traited Virtue of Resolve and some other trait become a GrandMaster (maybe a Empowering Might with a larger range).
The difference will probably remain the same. They are not buffing stats, just redistributing them, so the base value added should remain the same across all tiers respecting their current % difference.
Can I just say how fucking beautiful it looks
*sigh* dreamy
Looks just like something that could be used for build templates.
But probably isn't, outside of sPvP anyway.
UltimateIke
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Revenant only had access to three major traits per level in the demos/stress test (like we expect for all professions going forward), but it was with the current system, so you could pick three adept traits or two master. That was our one and only chance to use those builds, haha.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_revenant_traits
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_revenant_traits
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