Yes but if you pay now you get extra stuff that some how doesn't help you.
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H1Z1 Early Access |OT| You've got red on you.
- Thread starter CountAntonius
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Yes but if you pay now you get extra stuff that some how doesn't help you.
Exactly...its like some people have no idea what a pre-alpha early access entails...and it's been like a day,jesus christ.
Sevenfold
Member
Day fucking one. the internet is embarrassing sometimes. The game even offers modes without airdrops at all but no, also learned today that Reddit is packed to the rafters with idiots, was totally unaware of the scale. Crazy day. H1z1 was loads of fun earlier in an incredibly janky way!
Guys, first I do not say it is a bad game, if you enjoy it, great. Second I have not played the game but I am very interested in it, but I am cautious.
But it is simple. Does spending money influence the game in any way? Answer yes. You spend money and get drops. Does the spent money give an advantage? Answer yes. You get guns and ammo in an survival game.
If you spend more money you get more drops. It does not matter if another player can steal the loot. Than you simply paid 2 win for him. You have more money? Great, just keep em dropping and surely you get your loot.
The question is as stated above does spending money influence the game in a positive way? O
If the answer is yes it is p2w.
SDCowboy
Member
Pardon my ignorance, but how?
Shining Sunshine
Banned
You paid for him to win... uh okay bro. Nice spin.
wanderingprostheyltite
Member
Damn I feel conflicted, been out of the zombie mmo/survival game for a long while and really looking to scratch that itch. Watching Lirik's stream of playing battle royale makes it tempting to get as I don't have Arma 3, plus this is a lot cheaper. Then again, server jank, more stability issues currently. What do gaf, what do?
You can be as snarky as you want, but money was spent for an advantage.
IMO Arma 3 is a better buy than both DayZ SA and h1z1. A3 looks awesome with a good vid card, ballistics are top notch, there is dept to the combat, and Battle Royale is just one of many awesome mods there are to play for ACTUAL free.
I think it's fun at its base stat and it's only going to get better so *shrug*. Unlike DayZ this is built on a decent engine and SoE will update it.
This is true. Can't go wrong buying A3.
Life is p2w. Get over it. Get a better job if you want better stuff. H1Z1 is no different. Play something else if you can't afford it.
you can not compare both, A3 is too complex for me, played few hours h1z1 and i liked it
Shining Sunshine
Banned
You paid for the server to have an advantage. Whether that advantage becomes yours is up to player skill.
Hahaha! And I agree with you!
CountAntonius
Member
Gonna add this to the OP as it's probably the best way to follow devs.
Devtracker
[H1Z1 Update] Estimated time for servers to come back up will be 4:30PM PST or before. We will notify you the moment they come back online.
Devtracker
[H1Z1 Update] Estimated time for servers to come back up will be 4:30PM PST or before. We will notify you the moment they come back online.
fluffydelusions
Member
I'm enjoying it shrugs
Go to your account details section on Steam. The select strore transactions.
You will see H1Z1 there and it should have the refund option next to it. The refund will go into your Steam wallet though.
Not sure if you can see the irony of your very own post... I sort of did, that is why buy fully made games, because I can afford them. No need to spend time in free2play shovelware. Also that deep paralellism between pay2w life and videogames... brilliant I guess.
A3 has a learning curve (as like anything meaningful in this life) but is a very rewarding experience once you get it.
ashecitism
Member
nvm answered already
Sevenfold
Member
I don't think the refund is through Steam.
EDIT:
Refunds - if you are upset about the airdrop P2W issue and want a refund email bwilcox@soe.sony.com and we will take care of you
https://twitter.com/j_smedley/status/556142754254704641
SDCowboy
Member
lol what? I hate when places consider that a refund.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
The cost of H1Z1 is a gate for serious alpha testers to contribute to the game with bug testing. It will be free afterwards.
You will be better off with Arma3, but I don't remember if there are zombie mods, is there?
CountAntonius
Member
It's through steam.
SDCowboy
Member
But do you get an actual refund or just credit?
Compsiox
Banned
Does it matter? Unless you're planning to never buy a game again then it's fine. If you need money for financial reasons why would you spend it on an Early Access game?
SomedayTheFire
Member
That's not what pay to win is.
Valve is not giving that money back. They do credit so they get the money in the long run anyways
Cyborgmatt
Member
Sevenfold
Member
What makes you say that because Smed stated the opposite earlier.
Even the Dev acknowledges it is p2w...
https://www.reddit.com/r/h1z1/comme...s_asked_refund_policy/cnr4mwd?sort=confidence
I think that settles it. Hope they change it for the better! I really wanna play that game.
https://www.reddit.com/r/h1z1/comme...s_asked_refund_policy/cnr4mwd?sort=confidence
I think that settles it. Hope they change it for the better! I really wanna play that game.
Cyborgmatt
Member
Sevenfold
Member
Or maybe he believes it's better for everyone if certain people were given the chance to leave.
This email I'm guessing:
Oh ok, kinda contradicts his "please note we are NOT doing this through Steam. We're doing it ourselves."
CountAntonius
Member
I tried it an the option is there through steam but yeah it is only for steam credit.
Mad Season
Banned
this been posted yet?
http://kotaku.com/sony-offers-refun..._source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow
John Smedley @j_smedley
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Refunds - if you are upset about the airdrop P2W issue and want a refund email bwilcox@soe.sony.com and we will take care of you
http://kotaku.com/sony-offers-refun..._source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow
John Smedley @j_smedley
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Refunds - if you are upset about the airdrop P2W issue and want a refund email bwilcox@soe.sony.com and we will take care of you
Yeah, you shouldn't be able to pay real money for this shit. At the very least, go the Blizzard route and refund all the money you spent in the next phase or something.
Initially it wasn't through Steam, SOE was handling it themselves, but they later changed it.
Sevenfold
Member
IMACOMPUTA
Member
The dumbest explanation yet.
Rust had air drops once a certain amount of people are on the server. LogIn2Win confirmed.
By you logging in, you're contributing to the total amount of players on the server. Someone is getting that airdrop. So, you login2win for someone else.
This shit is fucking absurd.
Those drops are conveniently timed and placed as soon as you open your wallet. Obvious thing is not obvious because I say so, good argument.
Did you read your post?
This is pay2win with a twist. Guns are being payed for and a player in the world will benefit from it. No matter which way its spun, theres an element of pay2win. People are probably getting upset since from the reveal last year when this got alot of attention they were pretty clear and to the point it being only cosmetics. Alot of people would of put then put that to the back of their mind and just assume no MT's for guns, but at some point (in august?) when people were paying attention to other games, they slip in with the new info and nobody notices, until now.
goldsoundz
Member
I think spending money on triggering airdrops is a lame way to add microtransactions to the game, but they certainly aren't P2W. I wish they were implemented more like they are in Rust. Skins are a perfectly fine way to charge extra in-game. I know it's alpha and this is a learning process for the devs, and I'm certain the airdrop system will change sooner than later.
EDIT: Studios should take notice of John Smedley's constant communication through Twitter. I have complete faith in that man and that studio; it's clear that they care about their customers.
EDIT: Studios should take notice of John Smedley's constant communication through Twitter. I have complete faith in that man and that studio; it's clear that they care about their customers.
IMACOMPUTA
Member
I used satire to articulate the absurdity of the post I quoted.
No, I didn't read my post.
Free crates that drop are just as problematic in concept as pay to drop ones. Materials that are intended to be rare are made much less rare when they fall from the sky paid or not.
Crates in Rust absolutely destroyed much of the fun because suddenly you have gangs running around farming the crates and what was intended to be rare like C4 suddenly they have overflowing vaults of and they have it all since they travel in roving armies.
So trying to build a house? good luck here comes the C4 Army assholes.
Yeah its a shame.