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[Genesis Knight]

Quake 1 beats all of those.

Ah, you were just two numbers away from gold star.

 

[GodlyPerfection]

I think forgers were really setting their hopes too high. The only thing I was really expecting was better performance, a uniformed aesthetic, and some new environments. It would have been nice to get more new pieces, but I wasn't expecting it. The new texturing alone has got me excited to play with forge. And the lighting is a HUGE thing for me. That and the possibilities of Dominion.

I guess I'll be one of the few forgers looking forward to it. I do have my own problems with it though.

The main thing that I think was a huge oversight was the lack of flat "canvas" areas and the amount of relatively smooth natural terrain to work with for BTB. BTB is quite popular in the customs world so having them get the shaft isn't really fair.

Also who's idea was it to make the grifball court extremely clean and shiny mixed with Erosion's rustic aesthetic? There is a HUGE aesthetic clash between the two. Interior maps in the grifball court will not be able to create an immersive experience because of the drastic difference between the pieces and the flooring/walling/ceiling of the grifball stadium.

In addition I feel like there should have been more of a balance in dispersion of new objects. Impact presents a LOT of options in terms of new pieces... and they are all really large which makes them great for structure creation. Not only that it got a moving piece, a hologram piece, a glass circular piece, etc. Ravine got some decent new buildings and the catwalk is pretty useful and there might be some potential in the half circle. Erosion definitely could have used more love with bigger pieces, being one of the larger maps. New large structural pieces similar to Impact's would have been great to make use of, but instead a variety of pipes were added. They look cool and they are a decent size, but I think forgers would get more use out of larger, flat structural pieces at the $10 a piece... and the ability to have 100 of them. So from this perspective Impact will definitely be overused... and that is ignoring the fascination of it being in space with great landmarks in the skybox and the fact that low grav actually makes sense in the atmosphere.

Those are pretty minor issues though. For the most part I'm really looking forward to Halo 4 and adapting as an aspiring designer to the new sandbox and gametypes.

 

[DeadNames]

I have the true top ten list.

1. Reach
2. Reach
3. Reach
4. Reach
5. Reach
6. Reach
7. Reach
8. Reach
9. Reach
10. ET on Atari

 

[CreateNowSleepLater]

Read the update.

Did I miss it or did they not say anything on Campaign theater or Ranks?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Ah, you were just two numbers away from gold star.

Nope. Q1 was the best of the 3 competitive quakes IMO. Q3 is definitely right behind it though.

 

[IHaveIce]

Im not trying to insult you, so quit with the insults to me plox.

You saying "2games of reach- I'm annoyed, damn is this game a mess." Is clearly saying from those 2 games, the game is a mess. Why else would you have add it, if it wasnt relevant to the games? And what exactly is the issue that happened in those 2 games?

Not hating, Its just I certainly have never understood all the hate it gets.

I didn't intend to insult you really lol, I just took it as a offense that you just made a assumption what my problem is and then had to point out that my lack of skill would make my opinion less worthy.

Probably I wrote that wrong, english isn't my native language so maybe this was the problem.

I was annoyed by those games- yes.
The game is a mess - yes, but this wasn't based on those games, it was based on my whole expierence with Reach and thought it fitted here.

In those games I had probably 5 total host changes, 1 afk guy, and people who voted for uncaged and did nothig but jetpack in the air and get suicides. The close room on uncaged and countdown + Reach's grenades didn't make it better.

Of course alot of this stuff what happened today was caused by players and nit by the game itself but like I said those were my problems today.


No offense or insulting was intended, I apologize.



Also I'm one of those guys who like heckfu's posts
Edit: also damn I totally didn't want to cause again a war which Halo is the best.

Spoiler

psst it is halo 2

 

[Rickenslacker]

Ah, you were just two numbers away from gold star.

Quake -1 is bullshit.

Admittedly my perception of Quake MP was superseded by Team Fortress. It's all I'd play in Q1.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I have the true top ten list.

1. Reach
2. Reach
3. Reach
4. Reach
5. Reach
6. Reach
7. Reach
8. Reach
9. Reach
10. ET on Atari

how the FUCK you make a top ten list and exclude Superman 64 is beyond me

Read the update.

Did I miss it or did they not say anything on Campaign theater or Ranks?

Why talk about something that doesn't exist?

 

[kittens]

Best non-Halo games:

1. Yoshi's Island
2. Zelda: Link to the Past
3. Zelda: Link's Awakening
4. Portal
5. Advance Wars
6. Super Mario Galaxy 2
7. F-Zero GX
8. Metroid: Zero Mission

Any further than that and I can't decide.

Why talk about something that doesn't exist?

Exactly. I wouldn't expect them to touch on it in the Q/A segment next week, either.

 

[User 73706]

How old are you by chance?...

That's unfair.

1. Halo Wars
2. Pokemon Black 2
3. CoD Blops
4. Borderlands
5. Hello Kitty Roller Rescue
6. El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron
7. Nintendogs
8. Wii Sports
9. Imagine: Babyz
10. God of War II
...
1467. Halo CE

 

[Omni]

Read the update.

Did I miss it or did they not say anything on Campaign theater or Ranks?

It's part of the 343i marketing strategy; don't address the concerns of the community until they've brought the game. Like the ranking system.

 

[DeadNames]

That's unfair.

1. Halo Wars
2. Pokemon Black 2
3. CoD Blops
4. Borderlands
5. Hello Kitty Roller Rescue
6. El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron
7. Nintendogs
8. Wii Sports
9. Imagine: Babyz
10. God of War II
...
1467. Halo CE

I don't see any MW3/MW2 in there. Good try though.

 

[nillapuddin]

the lack of metal gear and metroid in these lists is disturbing

 

[Rickenslacker]

That's unfair.

1. Halo Wars
2. Pokemon Black 2
3. CoD Blops
4. Borderlands
5. Hello Kitty Roller Rescue
6. El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron
7. Nintendogs
8. Wii Sports
9. Imagine: Babyz
10. God of War II
...
1467. Halo CE

You should give this a shot, maybe improve that list a bit and bump GoW2 down some.

 

[Deputy Moonman]

Wow, where was all this talk about Halo1/2 last night when I was getting pummeled by

Good to see Philadelphia is smack dab in the middle.

Two summers ago we got a hurricane (Irene?). I drank a case of beer and watched comic book movies all night. During the storm I went out on the roof deck and did my best lt. Dan impression and passed out.

I can only get stronger this year.

haha next time take video so we can all enjoy!

Yup, I've had my eye on it for a couple days now. Praying it loses strength or moves further into the Atlantic. I'll probably lose power for a couple days.

At least it's happening next week and not the week after. Now that would ruin someone's day being stuck without power on November 6.

They said we were going to get hit in Buffalo pretty hard. Excited about that. Maybe I can get a day off work.

I'm rooting for you.

 

[Trey]

the lack of metal gear and metroid in these lists is disturbing

MGS3 is my favorite game after the Halos.

 

[MaximumFlipFlop]

So I bought Metro 2033 the other day on XBL, I enjoyed the first few levels from what I played before but yeah, this game is dogshit. Saw Bioshock 2 on sale for $10 bucks. Worth it? I loved the first one.

 

[User 73706]

MGS3 is my favorite game after the Halos.

MGS3 is my favorite Halo!

 

[lybertyboy]

So I bought Metro 2033 the other day on XBL, I enjoyed the first few levels from what I played before but yeah, this game is dogshit. Saw Bioshock 2 on sale for $10 bucks. Worth it? I loved the first one.

Package it Minerva's Den DLC. Worth it alone for that.

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

^ Im probably gonna grab Minerva's Den whiles its on sale and I have the points and buy Bioshock 2 at a later date. Seems everyone says its great so I really wanna try it out.


For those who suggested it, Alan Wake AN was OK. I have two more manuscript pages and like 8 other survive til dawn maps to unlock, but to be honest the games combat isn't pulling me in. I really enjoyed Alan Wake, but AN just didn't do it for me. I don't regret it though, 600pts, especially since they were free points made it a steal.

Sundance's twitter



CoD is winning from twitter.

CoD just doesn't feel like a great circuit game to me.. Kinda crazy Halo has fallen so far in MLG.

 

[Blissful]

less than 12 days till Halo 4. What is your conclusion on the skill based ranking system 343?

 

[DeadNames]

Sundance's twitter

So... #Halo or #CoD for the circuit? Please share and RT.

CoD is winning from twitter.

 

[heckfu]

Junior members:
click here -----> twitch.tv/tashiii

 

[Omni]

The Forerunner structures on Vortex look crazy. Maybe it's the colour, but they look all mashed up together.

Infinity slayer is still cancer, but the map overall looks great.

 

[Beckx]

God, I couldn't even begin to put together just a top ten. Can only do this by generation.

Atari VCS through "the Crash" -

-Pitfall
-Raiders of the Lost Ark (okay - a *terrible* game but kind of an Ur-adventure game, so)

C64/Atari computers -

• Mail Order Monsters (by the Skylanders guy!)
• Adventure Construction Set
• Realms of Impossibility
• Archon
• Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

NES/SMS:

• Legend of Zelda
• Zelda II
• Super Mario Bros.
• Phantasy Star
• Metroid
• Ninja Gaiden

SNES/Genesis

• Super Mario World
• Super Mario Kart
• Phantasy Star II
• NHL 94
• Street Fighter II
• Final Fantasy III (III, dammit)
• Herzog Zwei
• M.U.S.H.A.

PS1/Saturn/N64

• Guardian Heroes
• Tobal 2
• Bushido Blade
• Symphony of the Night
• Darkstalkers
• MGS1
• Panzer Dragoon

PC - late 90s-early 2000s

• Heavy Gear II
• Unreal
• Unreal Tournament
• Ultima Online (terribly *programmed* but players did amazing things)
• Diablo II
• Baldur's Gate II
• Rogue Spear

360/PS3/Wii - way too many, too recent to even think about a list. Some standouts:

• Mushihimesama Futari
• Vanquish
• Bayonetta
• Journey
• Halo 3
• Demons' Souls
• too many that I'm forgetting

MGS3 is my favorite game after the Halos.

I like the way you think. You'll see I don't have a category for PS2/Xbox, because I exited console gaming for a bit - so the list would essentially be the MGS games + Shadow of Destiny. No real point since I didn't play most of the console stuff that gen. And fuck me if I didn't forget the Dreamcast: PSO, Jet Grind Radio, NFL2K1, Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia. Damn. Someday I will do this methodically.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Junior members:
click here -----> twitch.tv/tashiii

*MAC Cannons online

 

[orznge]

Are you actually trying to argue that the pistol is not the highest killing weapon overall for CE? Good luck with that.

By definition the weapon that gets the most kills is overpowered, and the devs understood this and that Master Chief likes variety, and likes knowing which weapon to use when he's out there on the battlefield which is why, in my opinion, Halo 2, 3 and Reach were vastly superior to Halo CE.

 

[DeadNames]

The Forerunner structures on Vortex look crazy. Maybe it's the colour, but they look all mashed up together.

Infinity slayer is still cancer, but the map overall looks great.

Hey now.

But I agree, Infinity Slayer sounds more like an arcade gametype.

I'll probably enjoy it a lot though.

 

[Vire]

Best non-Halo games:

1. Yoshi's Island
2. Zelda: Link to the Past
3. Zelda: Link's Awakening
4. Portal
5. Advance Wars
6. Super Mario Galaxy 2
7. F-Zero GX
8. Metroid: Zero Mission

Any further than that and I can't decide.


Exactly. I wouldn't expect them to touch on it in the Q/A segment next week, either.

Not a bad list, I love pretty much every game there. Well, besides Zero Mission... it's good but Super Metroid/Prime are better in my opinion.

This got me thinking...

In no particular order, just some of my favorite games to give you an idea of my taste besides Halo.

Super Mario Bros 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario Galaxy
Zelda: Link to the Past
Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Starcraft
Super Metroid
Metroid Prime
Resident Evil 4
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy VI/X/XII
Advance Wars
Donkey Kong Country
Dead Space
Mega Man X
Wave Race
Rock Band
Half Life 2
Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3
Pokemon Red (Fuck Blastoise)
Space Invaders

I'm probably forgetting a ton, but hey! My life would suck without these games.

 

[Amazing Mic]

MGS3 is my favorite Halo!

I wonder what Ryan Payton's Halo would have looked like since it was supposed to be out there.

Not meant to be a knock on anyone- have every reason to believe H4 will be great.

 

[MaximumFlipFlop]

Package it Minerva's Den DLC. Worth it alone for that.

So base game is good, but that DLC is god tier?

 

[nillapuddin]

I wonder what Ryan Payton's Halo would have looked like.

after that 2nd BTS video, it was very clear to me that they were not going in

Spoiler

any?

(the right) direction before his departure

 

[Poker Face]

Hey now.

But I agree, Infinity Slayer sounds more like an arcade gametype.

I'll probably enjoy it a lot though.

Infinity slayer and regicide are perfect for...action sack.

I do enjoy the occasional action sack

 

[Ken]

Oh hey we're making lists.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

By definition the weapon that gets the most kills is overpowered, and the devs understood this and that Master Chief likes variety, and likes knowing which weapon to use when he's out there on the battlefield which is why, in my opinion, Halo 2, 3 and Reach were vastly superior to Halo CE.

It's nice to know you're open minded about other Halo games and settings. I'm just devil advocating against the 3SK pistol really but CE was such a big gap between #1 kills with pistol and #2 kills with whatever other weapon mix.

It's been getting adjusted more throughout the Halo games and I'm hoping what I've been hearing/seeing about Halo 4 precision weapons means we'll see a larger variety of #1 weapons in play.

 

[Omni]

Hey now.

But I agree, Infinity Slayer sounds more like an arcade gametype.

I'll probably enjoy it a lot though.

I'm just not seeing the appeal.

I can just imagine some full parties pubbing in Infinity Slayer, getting all of these power weapons by spawn killing and being even more unbeatable than they were in Reach with a bunch of randoms on your team.

 

[orznge]

It nice to know you're open minded about other Halo games and settings. I'm just devil advocating against the 3SK pistol really but it was such a big gap between #1 kills with pistol and #2 kills with whatever other weapon mix.

It's been getting adjusted more throughout the games and I'm hoping what I hear about Halo 4 precision weapons means we'll see a larger variety of #1 weapons in play.

It's nice to know that you're still asserting anecdotal hyperbole derived from playing with a small group of players at an undetermined skill level as fact and mocking people who might have experience to share.

 

[Pop]

So base game is good, but that DLC is god tier?

Bioshock 2 is great. For $10 that's a no brainer. Also MP is fantastic imo.

 

[Amazing Mic]

It's nice to know that you're still asserting anecdotal hyperbole derived from playing with a small group of players at an undetermined skill level as fact and mocking people who might have experience to share.

I've read the word "hyperbole" 20x more since I joined the GAF than I have in my entire life.

 

[orznge]

I've read the word "hyperbole" 20x more since I joined the GAF than I have in my entire life.

I rarely ever use it

 

[kittens]

Zelda II

Good list overall, though.

Not a bad list, I love pretty much every game there. Well, besides Zero Mission... it's good but Super Metroid/Prime are better in my opinion.

I'm ashamed to say that I've barely played Super Metroid. I consider Metroid to be one of my favorite franchises, but I haven't played the supposed king. And I'm not a huge fan of the Prime games. I feel like Metroid, like many other Nintendo franchises, doesn't translate well into 3D. I don't hate 3D Metroid like I hate 3D Zelda with a burning fiery passion, but I definitely prefer the 2D titles. I love SNES/Gameboy/GBA Nintendo so much. Post-Gamecube Nintendo... not so much.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

It's nice to know that you're still asserting anecdotal hyperbole derived from playing with a small group of players at an undetermined skill level as fact and mocking people who might have experience to share.

I try to keep an open mind mate and of course I'm going to call on my experience with the game. It's not like I've only had 10 games of Reach in my Halo history mate.

I've played with a large variety of players throughout Halo 2, 3 & minimally in Reach as I'm more relaxed these days in my Halo gaming.

For reference I've played with consistent level 50's in objective/slayer Halo 3 and played Australian pros like Cabel & Team Immunity right through to teaming up with players that would be considered less experienced.

I like to play with gamers that don't take it too seriously and enjoy default Halo over MLG. Clearly we'd never play together because we have differing tastes in Halo settings.

 

[Beckx]

Good list overall, though.

C'mon! In the first ten minutes a woman invites you into her back room, the screen shakes, and you come out with full health restored. But seriously, it's challenging, and I like it, though it can't compare with the first one. (I'm a devotee of that game & what Tevis Thompson talks about in Saving Zelda.)

Also Zelda II sucks.

You're a terrible person.

2. ChromeHounds

Hell yeah. So sad that you can't even make mechs with all the parts now.

 

[Vire]

Good list overall, though.


I'm ashamed to say that I've barely played Super Metroid. I consider Metroid to be one of my favorite franchises, but I haven't played the supposed king. And I'm not a huge fan of the Prime games. I feel like Metroid, like many other Nintendo franchises, doesn't translate well into 3D. I don't hate 3D Metroid like I hate 3D Zelda with a burning fiery passion, but I definitely prefer the 2D titles. I love SNES/Gameboy/GBA Nintendo so much. Post-Gamecube Nintendo... not so much.

Super Metroid still holds up remarkably well, so you can definitely go back and play it someday. Preferably a rainy dreary day.

Also Zelda II sucks.

 

[Omni]

...

Off topic, but I thought I recognised your name from somewhere!
http://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/C...ndomrosso93#/?game=1154652913&section=Unknown

Came up against you yesterday in matchmaking. Such a terrible game, haha

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Junior members:
click here -----> twitch.tv/tashiii

I sincerely appreciate the teamwork, practice and skill these guys/gals have, kudos you're all very skilled. However I have no interest in watching/playing MLG settings and boring forge maps with condensed gameplay.

Bring me some creative Halo gameplay and I'll watch that moreover. I prefer free form roaming Halo over repetitive setups or memorisation of grenade throws etc.

Just my opinion but thanks for the feed to watch some mad skills at work.

 

[wwm0nkey]

Are we still making lists?

1. Megaman Battlenetwork 3 (God tier end game content)
2. ChromeHounds
3. Halo 2
4. Dark Souls
5. Megaman Legends

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Off topic, but I thought I recognised your name from somewhere!
http://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/C...ndomrosso93#/?game=1154652913&section=Unknown

Came up against you yesterday in matchmaking. Such a terrible game, haha

Nice one mate. Yeah some of us play together regularly, we have fun in BTB or invasion mostly. If you look up iDoublePummel and his regular BTB team you'll find some insane BTB players/games there. Those guys are seriously dedicated to dominating BTB.

It was a terrible game, no one seemed to organise anything

 

[nillapuddin]

I've barely played Super Metroid..

 

[TheCongressman1]

Good list overall, though.

Zelda II is a great game aside from a few issues.

I'm ashamed to say that I've barely played Super Metroid. I consider Metroid to be one of my favorite franchises, but I haven't played the supposed king. And I'm not a huge fan of the Prime games. I feel like Metroid, like many other Nintendo franchises, doesn't translate well into 3D. I don't hate 3D Metroid like I hate 3D Zelda with a burning fiery passion, but I definitely prefer the 2D titles. I love SNES/Gameboy/GBA Nintendo so much. Post-Gamecube Nintendo... not so much.

Oh, you're one of those people.