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There were some streams of Settler and whatever the Erosion one is called back when the leaks were starting to spread around, where folks were just running down the map list and doing flythroughs.
They both look significantly less impressive than Relay, in my opinion (both aesthetically and in terms of design). Settler is basically two Blood Gulch bases placed willy-nilly in the Ravine's hilly area, with a small bridge and a ridge, at least from what I saw. The Erosion one was more difficult to to get a grasp around, but just seemed messy.
Demoncarnotaur
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While a Farcry style map editor would be awesome, I think the majority of people here just want something that is easier on the eyes. When every map looks the same, and by the same I mean grey (now white, silver or rust) it gets a bit old. On top of that, a lot of information can be lost, like where you are, etc. Forge Map design gets repetitive also, but I wont deny there are some good ones.
My biggest complaints with forge in Halo 4 are
1. Visual repetition and blandness is still a very big issue.
2. No revolutionary new tools or pieces; the majority of updates just make the experience of making a map easier.
3. It does not accommodate BTB or even give you a good starting point. Where are the large areas of flat terrain?
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I really hope 343 doesn't try to brush this off. Especially since they have implied Halo 4 would have full feature parity to past games.
Damn. Good stuff.
I really hope they didn't cut the mode because some things looked off. Big deal. Its theater. I hope the reason it was cut was that it was crashing or something.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Niggas getting nostalgic over Halo 3
What did Halo: Reach do to this community
Damn you, Bungie
What did Halo: Reach do to this community
Damn you, Bungie
You are absolutely defending 343. You're saying consumers should put up or shutup. Don't like it, don't buy it. Why? What does 343 do for you? Who cares how difficult the development cycle was? In what world does being dissatisfied with small parts of a product mean you should completely avoid buying said product?
Rather than justify everything by pointing to a nebulous "development cycle", I'd rather side with long time Halo communities like Nokyard's who are expressing frustration over missing legacy features. I don't have a problem with people who think certain elements aren't important, the problem is when they get pushed back and told their concerns aren't a big deal - by people who have no logical reason to take a stance against them. If you really care about consumer practices, don't vote with a single wallet, instead vote with a collective of unified voices.
Wow, didn't even think of that... that might be the reason why.
K
kittens
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Hmm, okay, so they at least exist. Guess I'll see'em for myself on November 6.
I honestly can't believe they haven't commented already. Their silence on this is really damaging their image amongst some of their closest fans.
Hydranockz
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Apologies, you actually said they sucked a mountain of dicks.
Yeah and you said it'll be ok for for the speedrunning Halo community if theater modes and scores are gone, because the Mario 64 community exists without those features.
Hydranockz
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I said the communities wouldn't die. There's a difference.
Poker Face
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of course theres a huge storm coming the week before Halo 4.
probably going to lose power and not get it back in time for launch. FFFUUUU
probably going to lose power and not get it back in time for launch. FFFUUUU
Unfortunately the guy who is actively involved in those communities on a daily basis said they could die, so your logic is not only shitty, but your point is irrelevant.
Where are you?
Hydranockz
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We get nostalgic up in this, ya bish.
It go Halle Berry or hallelujah.
Pick your poison tell me what you doin'.
Everybody gon' respect the Halo.
too much eslim
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I think Bungie spread them self thin including all of these features. They became the jack of all trades and the master of none. Right now 343 looked to have nailed the gameplay portion and honestly that is all that matters. Those communities lost can be brought back in future iterations, but they needed to bring people back who disliked Halo Reach gameplay.
I'm absolutely not defending them, I grow weary of childish tactics, if you want to disagree on something, then do it. Don't proclaim a company sucks a mountain of dicks & drop in and say "better lighting" & "good enough", then be expected to be taken seriously by anyone.
I agree with you on every point, I just strongly disagree with your delivery. Poking fun is one thing, but we crossed that line a long time ago.
As for the second half, I've never told anyone their concerns weren't important (I have said many missing features are meaningless to me, personally!), so don't lump me in there.
StalkerUKCG
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I get pissed at some of your posts I really do but when you discuss your opinions like this I cant help but side with you virtually every time.
Removal of legacy features is a kick in the teeth to the communities who grew and thrived because of those features. As a consumer I respect 343.Some of the choices they have made have been really great for me and I'm relatively happy with what I believe the final product will and will not include.
However I can't condone removal of features for seemingly no reason because while this time it has had little effect on me next time it could have a huge impact on my enjoyment.
Poker Face
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I can understand Nokyard, of course I have to say I have no clue about developing a game or something like this, but those features were established tools for some communities, to see that communities like Grifball and Living Dead get such a support, despite being "only" fringe gametypes and Campaign features getting cut doesn't help either.
Of course these communities still can exist, but it isn't a logical thing to take such a thing away. Maybe it is right and Campaign theater doesn't work because of the graphics, but then please explain it 343.
Ramirez is right, you have to make a decision, do I vote with my money for this game? But I don't think it will help if you don't buy it. I don't know it's a difficult thing.
Now on Forge, the thing is we don't know what would have happened if 343 had said "Ok guys we put all our time and skills in Forge (assuming they wouldn't have outsourced it)" How would it have affected the other maps? Other things like Core gameplay or such things.
Maybe it isn't even possible to do some stuff you guys suggest.
In short, my main criticisms for Halo 4 are:
Stripping away some established features and gametypes but supporting stuff that is really away from the core gameplay of Halo.
That is worse than some white text in the middle of the screen or else.
Of course these communities still can exist, but it isn't a logical thing to take such a thing away. Maybe it is right and Campaign theater doesn't work because of the graphics, but then please explain it 343.
Ramirez is right, you have to make a decision, do I vote with my money for this game? But I don't think it will help if you don't buy it. I don't know it's a difficult thing.
Now on Forge, the thing is we don't know what would have happened if 343 had said "Ok guys we put all our time and skills in Forge (assuming they wouldn't have outsourced it)" How would it have affected the other maps? Other things like Core gameplay or such things.
Maybe it isn't even possible to do some stuff you guys suggest.
In short, my main criticisms for Halo 4 are:
Stripping away some established features and gametypes but supporting stuff that is really away from the core gameplay of Halo.
That is worse than some white text in the middle of the screen or else.
HiredN00bs
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lol
Demoncarnotaur
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I would love for something like Horde/Firefight but allowing it to exist on standard MP maps. If they allowed for Forging both the map and AI paths, placements, etc that would be amazing. I do hope FF returns, but they really should look at Gears 3's Horde mode for inspiration.
Yup, thats what bothers me the most.. the lack of transparency and honesty with this situation rubs me the wrong way. This is a big deal. If its gone, nobody is going to be happy, but be honest and explain yourself to keep fans understanding and respectful to the situation.
Were you in classic graphics? They don't appear in that mode.
southern new hampshire, basically massachusetts. im hoping it misses us
Much luck to you. We're in the same boat. NE ain't ready for no tropical storms.
I'd love some persistent co-op a la MW3 and Mass Effect 3. Think it could fit within Halo if there are more equip-able modifiers. Say +5 speed for -.1 fire rate. Or things that change the duration and power of AAs.
Why are you still doing this to yourself?! We're 9 days away!!
Rent Dishonored, or AC3 on Tuesday, anything but Reach.
FRANCE
FRANCE
NETHERLANDS
MEXICO
CANADA
I just wanna stay sharp.Why are you still doing this to yourself?! We're 9 days away!!
Rent Dishonored, or AC3 on Tuesday, anything but Reach.
The P of Poland
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Odd how more hurricanes seem to hit New England than the Carolinas nowadays.
Poker Face
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same to you, just hope it's not as bad as they it is :/
StalkerUKCG
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Forge for SpOps could be fantastic in future titles.
Build a map and then add spawn locations and such.
Imagine recreating some of the battles from the books
Build a map and then add spawn locations and such.
Imagine recreating some of the battles from the books
Why are you still doing this to yourself?! We're 9 days away!!
Rent Dishonored, or AC3 on Tuesday, anything but Reach.
Pretty crazy to think that I'll be playing an entirely new Halo game for the next few years. Reach has been good to me.
HiredN00bs
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Spain
Italy
Russia
Japan
Brazil
They should add a world map and airplane animation a la Street Fighter 2.
The delivery of my internet posts on a video game message board means jack. My point was not that people should take my posts seriously, my point was that when people like Nokyard express very legitimate concerns, they should not be met with garbage like this:
If you're going to side with someone, don't side with the Microsoft subsidiary, side with the communities that are the lifeblood of the franchise. This thread needs to hop off the 343 kool-aid for a while and start looking at things more objectively; it will benefit everyone more in the long-run.
Cause Plywood is into torture porn.
It sets a dangerous precedent I'm sure. 343 responding to pirates about rumors they're spreading here invites more to do the same, knowing 343 has to come in and clarify.
I agree that these features should've been discussed by now, but I don't expect them to come in and disclose anything in response to leaks.
So you destroyed him on a showfloor? Haha, that's nice.
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And this just happened to me in Reach: I will never play Halo Reach again, last game ever. Got booted afterwards => Rage quit.
I get the feeling that time was not allocated correctly during development. The engine looks great, the base gameplay looks solid, and SpOps has the potential to be huge in terms of episodic gameplay. But everything else looks weak. Forge has minimal improvements and some features cut. Theatre loses support for a key mode. Redesigns that didn't need to occur. Firefight is dropped completely. Many game modes are completely dropped or have major options removed.
I'm getting the sense that the studio went under an almost Halo 2-esque time mismanagement and instead of chopping off part of the campaign, like Halo 2, they instead chopped off some other features. It's that, the studio is awful(which I'm incredibly doubtful of seeing some of the talent that they have), or it is quite simply the Xbox is at its limit. I'm moderately wary on the last one, because games like Crysis 2, Halo: Reach, and Mass Effect 3 pulled off seemingly just as much, if not more than.
I'm getting the sense that the studio went under an almost Halo 2-esque time mismanagement and instead of chopping off part of the campaign, like Halo 2, they instead chopped off some other features. It's that, the studio is awful(which I'm incredibly doubtful of seeing some of the talent that they have), or it is quite simply the Xbox is at its limit. I'm moderately wary on the last one, because games like Crysis 2, Halo: Reach, and Mass Effect 3 pulled off seemingly just as much, if not more than.
No it was at the review event.
edit: Karl, saw your post in OT about the code you're stuck at. Send it to meeee!! I want to see it all!!
Thermite's campaign machinima cancelled before it even had a chance to take off!
I'm not siding with anyone though, I understand both sides. I understand that certain communities expect certain things & I also understand that dev cycles have hard decisions that must be made. Sucks for both sides.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I've always wanted this from Halo.
You are married to Elzar, which is worse?
Lol, awesome. I played today just a bunch of arena, one of the only playlists I can enjoy(no jetpack)
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Pathfinding AI fails with custom objects I think.
Seem to remember some people theorizing this in the past. Would be fantastic.
Still works for me.
Just wanted to have fun, with a couple of friends, but Reach didn't wanted me to have fun. I betrayed a team-mate the game before, too, because I shot with a Wraith across the map, by the way. Also got booted...
I was so hyped to tell the story of babby grunts' first footsteps on a new planet, too. Would have had some sick dubstep and 360 no scoping.
Honestly, I'm not a big theatre user. I used it only a handful of times in Halo 3 and even less in Reach, but it's just puzzling to see another feature missing from the game that was in previous games.
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