shinobi602
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No not their bodies, I'm specifically talking about their armor.
I definitely recall 343 mentioning why their armor is the way it is now in H4, which is why it's all the more puzzling that it's in FUD...
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No not their bodies, I'm specifically talking about their armor.
I definitely recall 343 mentioning why their armor is the way it is now in H4, which is why it's all the more puzzling that it's in FUD...
Yep. Armor Lock 2.0
Except now you can walk around with it, and you always have sprint now, so when you get into cover you can run away. It may not be quite as bad as armor lock because your not TOTALLY invulnerable with it but it still suffers from the same problem as Armor Lock: it's a pause button on the combat at best and a get out of jail free card at worst. Terrible game mechanic and I don't understand why they didn't learn from Reach with stuff like this.
pretty rattled about there being absolutely no visible sign of rank. It would be nice to be able to see your truskill somewhere, even if it was just online. I like knowing where I sit compared to the rest of the community just because of my competitive nature.
I still have some hope that this can be implemented somewhere because at the end of the day, people who cared about rank loved it, and people who didn't care about rank as much didn't care that it was there or wasn't there. Halo 3 had HUGE numbers for matchmaking, considerably more than reach over its time span. 343 should incorporate factors from Halo 3 that made users want to play day after day (ie. rank).
I still have some hope that this can be implemented somewhere because at the end of the day, people who cared about rank loved it, and people who didn't care about rank as much didn't care that it was there or wasn't there. Halo 3 had HUGE numbers for matchmaking, considerably more than reach over its time span. 343 should incorporate factors from Halo 3 that made users want to play day after day (ie. rank).
Poker Face
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I wouldn't say Armor Lock 2.0.
You can still die by well placed grenades, vehicles, assassinations, splash damage of explosions, etc. I would say armor lock 0.5
Deadly Cyclone
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It's the AA I'm most worried/interested in. I wouldn't call it "Armor Lock 2.0" just yet because it's easily defeated with grenades, vehicles, power weapons (splash damage), or teammates (where armor lock wasn't) and it doesn't make you invincible, but it does give you cover when you should be dead.
Be interested to see how it goes over in matchmaking.
Honestly with the amount of negative feedback this has gotten i wouldnt be surprised if this was a day one patch.
Orochinagis
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and a belly button ignoring the fact they are some sort of reptiles.
But the can still shoot you on your feet and you cant Sprint i think.
I do agree sir.
Hopefully Stinkles is out there watching, and if he is, I pray that he's listening.
Yeah I edited my post for clarity on my point. I was maybe exaggerating calling it Armor Lock 2.0 but it still suffers from many of the same problems as armor lock. I think it won't be quite as cheap but still incredibly annoying to fight against.
I think throwable (mini) bubble shields would have been cooler than the hardlight shield, more skillful and interesting too. Maybe even a barrier like in Kid Icarus, or perhaps the Jackal gauntlet.
Thinking about it, of all the shield based armour abilities they could have chosen, they really couldn't have fucked up more than by opting for the Hardlight Shield, which is quite frankly, a fucking disaster.
Thinking about it, of all the shield based armour abilities they could have chosen, they really couldn't have fucked up more than by opting for the Hardlight Shield, which is quite frankly, a fucking disaster.
The system is in place..all they would need is graphics. If not day one id speculate a month or so after launch. This is one grievance i wholeheartedly agree with. Just seems out right silly.
Deployable shield from Halo 3 is what I would've picked
Rickenslacker
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it doesn't seem like a pause button or get out of jail free, there are options to take with it now other than "wait or get out". throw grenades, melee, thrust/jetpack to hit an unprotected side, call it out and have a teammate nearby sandwich them, etc. It still falls under the defensive category, but it doesn't seem anywhere near as egregious as invincible 5 second pause button that destroys vehicles and an additional EMP blast for protection from melees on top of being able to control the camera as you get out of it to avoid assassinations.
as much as people rail on other aas, nothing will ever top prepatch armour lock for being the worst designed thing in all of halo. i don't even know what postpatch al looks like because i didn't play reach that long but hls won't be anywhere within the ballpark, within the galaxy of al.
i would stop hoping. they're gonna stick to their guns on this.
did you miss the objective gametype stupidity caused by coordinated drop shielders? at least this is limiting enough to solely be used for personal protection.
Well all we can do is speculate. In the grander scheme of things this really is a minor grievance. I can honestly see them buckling down and appeasing the fanbase.
Digital Limit
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Hardlight looks like a lot of fun. Does it fully block huge impacts, e.g. rockets or vehicles?
A Jackal gauntlet would have been cooler, and honestly it's pretty fucking overdue.
When's the last time you played Arena? Trueskill gets reset there every season.
I don't think there's a "supposed to". The natural thing to do is move to the Halo 4 OT for Halo 4 discussion. But unless this thread is locked, whatevs.
The Halo 4 thread will be in Community one month after the game comes out. At which point this one really should be shot dead.
Garrett 2U
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I'm definitely getting Armor Lock vibes from it.
Deadly Cyclone
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Where do we talk about non Halo 4 stuff then? That was my thought behind this being open.
The Hardlight Shield can block melees. Thruster would only work if you were right in their face. Grenades are less plentiful in this game unless you have resupply. If you have a team mate they will most likely die, so that works, but you won't always have a team mate right nearby and you shouldn't need to. It's gonna be particularly effective for longer range engagements I think where throwing a nade is less of an option. It may not be as useful as armor lock but I am still concerned about scenarios like the following:
You are shooting at one guy. You get his shields down. He throws up hardlight shield and his team mates comes around the corner and cleans you up.
OR
You are fighting 1v1 with a player, he damages you a little, you get his shield down but he throws a nade right before putting up the hardlight shield preventing you from finishing him off with the headshot. You die from grenade, he lives.
We will see how this affects the game come release but it sounds quite frustrating.
Holy shit, XAND!
I really wish they'd buckle down and make everyone chose between all the options. Variety would just make things more interesting. I shall reiterate... slayer pro seems redundant even before the game is out. Why spend months..hell YEARS balancing armor abilities and weapons only to take them away because pro crybabies deem things too good or too whatever. When was the last time a character got banned in an FGC game tournament?
Deal with the game as it is. Otherwise seriously what is the point?
Deal with the game as it is. Otherwise seriously what is the point?
Zeouterlimits
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Rickenslacker
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you would complain more about a defensive tool that still allows attack.
Rickenslacker
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in the first scenario, teammates are teammates he has just enough chance to get wasted by yours.
in the second, you can thrust out of grenade radius. it depends on what aa you're using but i'm not gonna theorycraft every scenario, it's made to be defensive and it's going to win like that at times. it's just that it has actual downsides and things you can counter with now.
Thw fact that arena population is super low as a result of it being about the 7th 4v4 slayer list certainly doesn't help.Played the last couple of days there.
God guys, I can't wait anylonger
Didn't Rukari kill a player by shooting a little bit of his head that was sticking out from the shield (functionally same as Jackal shield)? Or was that guy getting shot from multiple angles?
Maybe, but I'm thinking it'd be smaller and weaker. Yet still give decent protection.
Sure, there are ways to counter it, but that depends highly on the situation. Sometimes you will be able to counter it and still kill them and in others they will "get out of jail free". I'm not even trying to make an argument that it's OP. Just that I can see it being really frustrating and unenjoyable to play against.
Hardlight shield has a lot of issues that I don't like.
Similiar to Armor Lock, it pauses the action and allows a player to slow down the pace of an encounter at the push of a button. Yeah, if you have a teammate nearby and they don't, its not really a hassle. However, in a 1v1 engagement, it dramatically slows the game down and shifts the encounter to their favor, just by pressing a button. Not only does it allow them to block projectiles, but they can move to cover while doing it.
While a grenade would usually be the solution, Halo 4 has taken some pretty dramatic steps to limit the amount of grenades a player has at any one time. If you're active and agressive, the chance of you having a grenade when you encounter someone with a HL shield decrease significantly.
Similiar to Armor Lock, it pauses the action and allows a player to slow down the pace of an encounter at the push of a button. Yeah, if you have a teammate nearby and they don't, its not really a hassle. However, in a 1v1 engagement, it dramatically slows the game down and shifts the encounter to their favor, just by pressing a button. Not only does it allow them to block projectiles, but they can move to cover while doing it.
While a grenade would usually be the solution, Halo 4 has taken some pretty dramatic steps to limit the amount of grenades a player has at any one time. If you're active and agressive, the chance of you having a grenade when you encounter someone with a HL shield decrease significantly.
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xxjuicesxx
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I'll stick to this thread. Don't want to deal with people who SAY they like Halo yet for some reason never post in the Halo thread a month after the game has been out...yet they are HUGE Halo fanBOYS! apparently. Please.
GodlyPerfection
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I'm so happy that there is no more armor lock... the amount of times someone unintentionally properly timed a armor lock right before an assassination made me cry.
Actually that should be a feature of Hologram and would be a major buff... if you are crouching when you fire a hologram, when it gets to its point it starts teabagging. You would be able to tell that it was a normal person by it not turning around or facing downwards, etc. Would have an interesting meta effect of teabaggers getting a slight bit of breathing room as someone contemplates whether or not they are a hologram. And things like rockets would be less used on teabaggers. Would definitely be hilarious and interesting. Especially if a video was made of 32 spartans teabagging.
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ElzarTheBam
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Lol wow. I'm surprised 0 things about that leaked beforehand.
Hydranockz
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Yeah, I agree to an extent but seems to me that the biggest annoyance will come at long range 1v1 encounters. I imagine any medium-to-close encounters will result in the attacker sprinting to harass the HLS. It doesn't block melees, right?
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