BlueScrote
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Well said.
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Well said.
Huh? Basically that, just because he defeats people in 1 on 1 encounter at close range doesnt mean the DMR is better, obviously the person with the DMR was superior.
Edit: i only select BR on doubles and i have even defeated another team by myself, s team that was only using dmr.
@karl lets leave the conversation as it is, because we are just going back and forth with our post repeating ourself, i just think you are better with the DMR than you give credit to yourself.
Poker Face
Member
The DMR is better though. It has a faster kill time, no recoil, and basically no bloom. On top of that it's a single shot with a 3x scope.
The BR has a slower kill time, recoil, and a small amount of spread. Plus is only has a 2x scope.
Overall is a better weapon but you are not going to win a battle at close range against a good BR user.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Except the DMR is a better weapon. Its deadly at any range and its got a slightly faster kill time and its more precise. It only fires one shot as opposed to the 3 round burst and it beats the BR in a straight shoot out.
Video Weapon Test
Hydranockz
Member
Isn't it just the same progression of AAs?
Science.
BR all day everyday
Except when I am forced to use it due to range drop off of the BR. Looking at you Ragnarok
NobleGundam
Banned
I'd enjoy CTF a bit more in Halo 4 if you'd be able to toss it like in Oddball (except with less significant throwing distances) to make things interesting.
But 343 doesn't approve of "Fun and Competitive". Instead it's thrown out the window or scrapped and shredded. Jk
Because you sit still when you are getting shot at and you dont strafe.
The difference between a single shot weapon and a burst weapon is that it is easier to take down shields with a single shot, while is easier to get the head shot with the burst, but this applies to a moving, strafing target.
Ever since i can remember i never paid much attention to these kind of tests because they are a poor representation on whats is really going on.
EagleBurnn
Banned
Even though I agree that the DMR is too effective at long range, that comparison video was awful and pointless.
Uh there are very few small maps in the game. If you mention haven, the DMR more than holds its own, especially if you have great position.
And yes you are. Like I said, in theory in a 1v1 duel within 15 meters or whatever, sure a BR has an advantage. But that's not the way the game plays. I have a DMR to make sure you don't have get close. With stability, your shots don't make me flinch. If you somehow evade my shots, I still have grenades, I have teammates, etc. If I still can't kill you, I have a boltshot and sprint. I'll run away, I'll go around a corner, I'll be charge at you with boltshot etc.
Very rarely will you be in a situation where it's a 1v1 shot battle, and the distance is mid range where BR is most effective. Even then, I still have a chance to kill you.
Also, deadly Cyclone, I see where you're coming from, but you have to realize, this is not what people wanted. Personal ordnance is the first thing that should have been gone in a competitive playlist. Otherwise what's the point? Is juices going to pick the game up again because it's now 85% less shit but still has enough shit that he'll put it down again.
The only reason allies only is enabled for motion tracker, is because I'm assuming that they weren't able to put red X on death back in the game, which then makes me wonder who decided to remove it in the first place. But I agree 343 is making good moves, doubles pro, inviting mlg pros for feedback, I'd have to give the most improved player award to Ellis though. I actually enjoyed playing the second half of spartan ops and can't wait to see how they finish it off.
lol you're not getting it.
Assuming both players are of high skill and of equal skill to each other, DMR user will win.
The only reason you think a BR is easier at close range is because its easier to land shots with it. But assuming a good player has good aim, a DMR hitting a 5 shot will kill faster than a BR hitting a 5 shot.
User 73706
Banned
guys guys
hear me out
now what if
WHAT IF
guys
what if we like
took the precision weapons
and guys listen
MADE IT
so that all the kill times were the same?
so like you know
pls
that it boiled down to a matter of personal preference?
Your obliviousness aside, I'd recommend laying off the porn for a little bit and see if that helps. Next time you guys do a 1v1 on Snowbound and he starts working his way down to the Brute Shot spawns, let him know some better paths down the tunnels so you don't keep getting in stalemates. Even try Boundless with no shield doors if that's your thing. The key to a healthy relationship is being open with eachother, buddy.
hear me out
now what if
WHAT IF
guys
what if we like
took the precision weapons
and guys listen
MADE IT
so that all the kill times were the same?
so like you know
pls
that it boiled down to a matter of personal preference?
Your obliviousness aside, I'd recommend laying off the porn for a little bit and see if that helps. Next time you guys do a 1v1 on Snowbound and he starts working his way down to the Brute Shot spawns, let him know some better paths down the tunnels so you don't keep getting in stalemates. Even try Boundless with no shield doors if that's your thing. The key to a healthy relationship is being open with eachother, buddy.
I have what you consider high skilled players on my friendlist, they always win their 1 on 1 against an equally skilled player using DMR at close range. Heck i have one that only uses DMR and he is way better than me, and a lot of times he cant finish me of.
You are talking about landing a perfect 5 shots over a close moving target with a single shot weapon, even for the best player this a difficult task to do, whereas it is easier and happen with more frequency with the burst weapon.
Shit.
They wanted to team up with me and Little English Halo Blog to do all their Halo news about 3 months before Halo 4 came out and I declined. fml
The Henery
Member
You make a good point about the bolt shot's role in this. The range in which the BR is much easier to land the final headshot (ie you can smell the guys breath) is the boltshot deadzone. That entire vicinity is inadvisable to stray near because of the BS's instant kill charge. Outside of boltshot range, I don't think the DMR is significantly more difficult to land a headshot with than the BR.
Reagan's BR
Banned
No it isn't. Halo worked fine without sprint for years. If anything it only slows down the game because people can run away.
Yeah the flood of information about the TU was something huh? ... Till now the boltshot got nerfed - wow it should be removed from loadouts, blam.
The instant respawn is finally being disabled- no shit they fix something that should have worked already at launch.
The playlist has still AAs in form of Personal Ordnence, but it seems no Jetpack or Camo, so it is ok, no problems with the playlists beside this EXCEPT the maps should be chosen very well.. I don
t don't want to see Abandon, Solace and Complex in this list.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Worked "fine" is more of an opinion (as is my statement I guess). I always felt the movement in Halo was slow. It might have been more of an animation thing than anything, because I know the base movement speed has increased at times. I always hated how it looked like your Spartan was just taking a stroll in the park when you're trying to get to cover or something.
ncsuDuncan
Member
Looking forward to Team Throwdown. No work on Monday, so I'll actually have time to play some Halo. After I'm done analyzing Destiny info, of course.
Have we heard anything new about the Majestic map pack? Isn't it supposed to come out in 11 days?
Have we heard anything new about the Majestic map pack? Isn't it supposed to come out in 11 days?
Poker Face
Member
it was mentioned in the bulletin that next weeks bulletin will be majestic
so next week's bulletin.
User 73706
Banned
I would be fine with reverting to some ridiculous Nexuiz/Quake-level movement speeds without sprint but I do have to agree with this. While most people won't view it as a necessity would be nice for custom games and supplementary purposes like Machinima. Someone made a video of Chief taking out the Scarab on The Storm, for example, and had him jump off a crane to get onto the thing - and it just looks weird when running is just "walking fast."
Hypertrooper
Member
You should pay close attention to the valentine cards.
EagleBurnn
Banned
There was a deal in the states (might still be available) with Skyrim and Forza 4 for the same price. Two controllers, 250 GB, and a few weeks of Xbox Live. Picked it up for a Christmas present instantly. I'm lovin the end of this gen.
Everything but the Xbox and one controller would cost 250. That is a really really good deal.
Agree with abandon slayer, complex is not there, and lets hope that the solace version is the v2 settings version.
But, i dont think people will vote for them, not when you have simplex, haven, dispatch and lockout.
Yep I agree, the end of this gen is amazing for people who just want to get some stuff
And yep it is a fantastic deal, an old friend of mine who stopped playing Halo after Halo just said he will buy it " just to see how much Halo 4 sucks"
Yep, exactly my thoughts.
But I have just realised that the Motion Tracker/Radar is on Ally Movement, so no enemies.
Reaaaally good.
ncsuDuncan
Member
Ah, cool. Skipped those completely. Didn't have enough time to read the entire Bulletin, just skimmed for highlights (e.g. DLC/TU/Playlist details).
User 73706
Banned
What's with DLC maps having Covenant ships against sunset backdrops?
EagleBurnn
Banned
Then there'll be no point in crouching?
YourExWife
Member
Oddly enough, I find it most annoying in Doubles and BTB and less noticeable in the 4v4/5v5 playlists. BTB it's annoying because it eliminates almost any movement where you're not in cover within a second or two and Doubles because it's only you and one other person, so deaths are more impactful. This leads to less aggression and more position based gameplay, and overall, most battles take place over longer distances than 4v4 fights...
This has been one of my biggest complaints since release. I can see the people in a friend's party using Party Details. If I want to know what map they are on, I have to view their gamer profile in the guide. If I want to know how much time is remaining, I have to use the join queue for their party. Worst of all, if I want to know the playlist they are playing, I HAVE TO USE THE ATTROCIOUS WAYPOINT APP AND LOOK AT THE FRIENDS LIST ON THERE!
How in the what-the-fuck did this system get approved?!
TU-wise, they haven't announced shit. Fixing custom games bugs is nice, but the boltshot nerf isn't changing anything. Why they think details on change lists and the like are something to keep close to the chest never ceases to boggle my mind.
I think he meant to say as an custom option and not as a permanent option. It is a nice idea.
The Librarian
Banned
Doesn't matter how it looks. It's fundamental to the gameplay, and it is just a game.
As an option yeah, I wanna see now it would
Work, because it seems like the perfect solution to people who like radar and people who hate how it slows down gameplay
BlueScrote
Member
Crouch mechanic will exist entirely for teabagging.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Still, games have come a long way in making games "feel" faster by adding animations. If sprint were to go away it wouldn't be hard to at least increase the Spartan arm movement speed incrementally when tilting the stick. Make it actually feel like you are running when the stick is all the way pushed. The old games just always felt like you were walking.
See the flag guy? Get in an epic walking chase with him across the map.
There are ways to appease both the speed issue and the look issue.
I do like sprint though, although it does alter map design.
Good, because that only slows down the game.
Cleaning out the hardware - making way for the 720.
Look issue? We're playing a game though. I mean compare the folks who dislike sprint with the folks who feel walking and jumping on a scarab don't feel right and that sprint is needed. You'll see there are far more folks in the speed camp as opposed to realism camp.
If we're going for realism, why doesn't blood spatter once shields are down and you are taking damage? It means your Armor and skin are absorbing the bullets no?
I can think of a whole bunch of variables that don't look right. Why can't my spartan use his super strength to throw his rifle at a flag carrier then when it runs out of bullets? Why can't my spartan hang on a ledge?
I like sprint, and I wanted it after Halo 3, but when I saw how much it affected game play in Reach and now 4, I know why Bungie didn't add it for so long.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I think you're understanding wrong. I like sprint too. Also I'm not talking from a "realism" standpoint. My point was Halo movement speed has always been fast, the reason it never felt fast is that your character never looks like he's running. It's a perception thing. If they were to keep the base Halo 2 or 3 speed but make it look like your Spartan is running when you have the stick tilted all the way, people may not have ever needed a full on sprint. Halo movement speed has never been all that slow, it just appears slow because of the lack of feedback visually to the player. See various racing games for example, the lack of visual feedback when you're supposedly going fast makes it feel like you're really not going all that fast, even if you are.
thezerofire
Banned
crouching is useful for putting in your strafe, making jumps that are slightly too high, and trick jumping. If you're using it to try to get all the way across the map you're doing something wrong
StalkerUKCG
Banned
So all we got from the bulletin was
Reduced the range of the Boltshots damage scaling over distance. The previous effective range for 1-hit kills was 20'-25'. The range has been reduced to 15'.
And the Team Throwdown Settings
No map pack news?
Reduced the range of the Boltshots damage scaling over distance. The previous effective range for 1-hit kills was 20'-25'. The range has been reduced to 15'.
And the Team Throwdown Settings
No map pack news?
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