The P of Poland
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You cannot change a species's very phylum and have it still be the same species.
They'll still play the same, but they won't be the same.
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You cannot change a species's very phylum and have it still be the same species.
They'll still play the same, but they won't be the same.
Steelyuhas
Member
Well they aren't partnering because PepsiCo makes Pepsi, Mt. Dew, and Doritos.Pepsi always partners up Mt. Dew and Doritos for game launches. It was only just a matter of time before it happened
I laughed
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
He's busy preparing his countrymen to leak the game in just a few weeks.
NullPointer
Member
ArchedThunder
Banned
WAAAAAT
When the question arose surrounding skill based ranks, 343 spokesperson Frank O'Connor turned a cute shade of pink, before turning to his PR representative and and angrily whispering something from the shelter of his cupped hand.
The press conference was over, in his haste to leave the now raucous room, spokesperson O'Connor knocked over his water.
"So it's essentially just the system used by Call of Duty?", a journalist fired out in desperation.
But he was gone.
I want that dog...
What i said on the previous page
Actually they have. Months ago, in a bulletin. Lemme look for that... http://blogs.halo.xbox.com/Headlines/post/2012/05/09/The-Halo-Bulletin-5912.aspx EDIT strictly speaking, the genetic modification was UNSC speculation, not a fact. But doesn't matter.
Halo 3 Jackals certainly didn't have beaks. EDIT hell, even Halo 2 Jackals didn't have beaks, just thin long jaws with teeth. Creatures with beaks don't have (usually, can't think of any exceptions though) teeth.
http://www.halopedia.org/File:JackalCloseup.jpg
This is not a beak.
EDIT ancient grunts http://www.halopedia.org/File:Ancient_Grunts.jpg
These new ones look more like these old ones than the ones in Halo CE, 2, 3 or Reach. EDIT though as i said, aesthetics are not that canonical.
EDIT also, if you study the pics of the new and old Grunts, you can see quite a lot of similarities.
TS x Massacre
Member
Made my afternoon
Gunnerdude
Neo Member
Well they aren't partnering because PepsiCo makes Pepsi, Mt. Dew, and Doritos.
I know i know, I made the statement more as they put them together in advertising... I guess partnering was a poor choice of a word.
Now if I can just track down my local Pepsi guy I'll con him into showing me the Doritos bags so I can take a terrible picture and post it online like all other leaked things
And this made working to 11pm bearable, and starts my weekend off with a smile
Thanks Frankie!Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I could use a GameFuel right now.
ArchedThunder
Banned
That is a beak. It became more bird beak like in Halo 3, but it was always a beak.
Steelyuhas
Member
I know i know, I made the statement more as they put them together in advertising... I guess partnering was a poor choice of a word.
Now if I can just track down my local Pepsi guy I'll con him into showing me the Doritos bags so I can take a terrible picture and post it online like all other leaked things
Taking a picture with a potato is required, or the internet leaks standards board will be after you.
The good news: I did not read this while in a meeting just now.
The bad: I read it right after taking a sip of soda. Son of a bitch. :lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beak
Nope. Beaks do not have teeth, not counting egg tooth.
Of course they're aliens to they can't be really classified or discussed via human terms.
I'll give you that Halo Reach jackals do have beak-likeness more but i wouldn't call it beak still, just a bony protrusion in their face.
User 73706
Banned
lol
What's up with the lighting/textures? They look like space midgets out of a Rare game or something.
Gunnerdude
Neo Member
Its a snout..... and its more like Crocodile then a bird's beak. Just throwing it out there...
nillapuddin
Member
as a thoroghly true blooded canon fanatic, all the books, extended fiction, everything
I love the new jackals
Ive always prefered the non-avian-ish versions
I love the new jackals
Ive always prefered the non-avian-ish versions
looks like borderlands dont it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7I-bySScOI&feature=player_detailpage#t=46s
The splash damage from the Incineration Cannon is absolutely insane! Ignoring whether it will be balanced or not, it looks awesome. I wonder how many players can be killed with it in one shot.
The splash damage from the Incineration Cannon is absolutely insane! Ignoring whether it will be balanced or not, it looks awesome. I wonder how many players can be killed with it in one shot.
Its a snout..... and its more like Crocodile then a bird's beak. Just throwing it out there...
Ah, very good comparison. Snout.. hmm, wonder to what exactly it translates in Finnish... we have too few words for things. EDIT Ah. Okay, we don't have too few words for various facial features...
Err, yeah, nearly so. But doesn't change what i said.
ArchedThunder
Banned
The Halo 3 and Reach Jackals have the exact same design.
I'll give you that for the Halo 1 and 2 Jackals, but 3 onwards is a beak. Halo 4 doesn't even have a snout
Its a snout..... and its more like Crocodile then a bird's beak. Just throwing it out there...
Point is, the Halo 4 Jackals don't look like Jackals.
The P of Poland
Member
skill-based ranking? SKILL-BASED RANKING?
See how many ways this works?
Don't talk crap about other people's interests.
I don't care about that either.
The Halo 3/Reach ones have beak-like protrusion at the end of snout. But it looks more like a bone plate, it would be beak if it didn't have teeth and comprised its whole mandibles.
Halo 4 Jackals are like Jackals ignoring the head. And the head is rather similar, with shorter snout, larger teeth and considerably thicker neck. Not impossible variation. Human necks are quite varied, why not alien ones (this argument's weakness is, of course, that Halo games don't have internal variations, but this is arguably excusable due to system limitations).
EDIT hmm. Okay, the jaw's quite a bit larger as well. Not impossible either. But i still recognize it as a Jackal right away. It was never the face/head that made the species anyway, but the way they're equipped and act along with the general shape and their voices.
EDIT looking at these pics... well, the face is kinda weird, but i like the design anyway. Somewhat scarier that the previous Jackal designs.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Ok, just caught up. So much aweseomeness everywhere.
='D
That sounds (and looks judging by the videos) amazing. Damn.
Yeah, I hope it isn't the case...but something tells me it is.. Hm, maybe you need an online connection and it will stream the terminal in?
Yeah, Im not a fan. Sure, if there are a cross between Skirmishers and Jackals, like another cousin species I can buy it.. But otherwise... Blah. They lost all of their character. I miss the big avian/alien eyes especially.
Holy shit. FLOOD mode? YES! yes. Yes.
=D
Mantis sounds awesome, please be in MP...
So awesome and goofy at the same time.
Awesome, thank you! My god, the new renders are great.. Also, is that an up-armored pelican? And a Target Locator? And a Rocket Hog? And a Shade turret? =D
='D
That sounds (and looks judging by the videos) amazing. Damn.
Yeah, I hope it isn't the case...but something tells me it is.. Hm, maybe you need an online connection and it will stream the terminal in?
Thought I'd just make this for shits and giggles.
Yeah, Im not a fan. Sure, if there are a cross between Skirmishers and Jackals, like another cousin species I can buy it.. But otherwise... Blah. They lost all of their character. I miss the big avian/alien eyes especially.
Holy shit. FLOOD mode? YES! yes. Yes.
=D
Mantis sounds awesome, please be in MP...
lol
So awesome and goofy at the same time.
Awesome, thank you! My god, the new renders are great.. Also, is that an up-armored pelican? And a Target Locator? And a Rocket Hog? And a Shade turret? =D
The P of Poland
Member
What do you care about? Tell me, so I can make fun of it.
Woorloog, I can't speak for you, but I know that the only way I can recognize that as a Jackal is its silhouette. Same goes for the Grunt.
What else it could be? It doesn't have four mandibles so it is not an Elite. It doesn't have any sort gas mask so it is not a Grunt. It cannot be a Brute, Hunter, Prophet, Drone or Engineer either. So it must be a Jackal. Of course we see everything about them so it is far easier to say what it is but i think i'd recognize it based on the head alone without context (other than "Halo 4, alien species") if it had been shown me before i knew about it.
I'm used to changes made to the aliens beetween Halo games and other works so it is easy for me.
EDIT Halo 4 Grunt would have, i think, given me a bit more difficulty though i think i would have concluded it is a Grunt. Of course there is a possibility i would have guess them to be some new aliens or variations (like Skirmishers) of existing species...
Beaks? BEAKS?
BUT BUT BEAKS! They change the way we play the game! IT CHANGES EVERYTHING!
The P of Poland
Member
That's the point. You're recognizing it based on what it's not. It doesn't look anything like the previous ones, presenting both an aesthetic and a canonical problem.
Well, it has long snout compared to other Covenant species. Jackal has that. Teeth, a lot of them. Spiny protrusions on the head. Bloodthirsty looking. Skin looks a lot like the Jackal's too. I'd say these are enough, in addition to being logical and determining what it is not. And of course, the silhoutte.
There is nothing wrong in using logic to determine what something is not.
http://www.halopedia.org/Kig-Yar#Subtypes
No issues there.
TS x Massacre
Member
Not sure if old but, some of these images from the waypoint site.. man:
Dat armor, oddball, and Mark VI <3
Dat armor, oddball, and Mark VI <3
canonical problem lmao
it is an aesthetic problem only i would say, because it's just fucking ugly and doesn't really look like the old jackals we like/are used to. they need to move the eyes way back up the face and make their mouths not as huge.
First pic of Mark VI classic where it looks somewhat decent in Halo 4. Still doesn't somehow fit with the rest, IMO. Golden visor would help.
The Oddball looks good though, as does the ballcarrier's helmet.
Aesthetics change all the time. Thus "canonical" is a bad argument when it comes to looks.
Gunnerdude
Neo Member
I always play along the lines of... if its moving or shooting, whether at me or something else, it dies. It can be a marine or ODST gunner for my warthog but everyone knows they don't do anything anyway... so they die too. and I drive off into the sunset! or a pack of grunts that were just dropped off... either way the colors are pretty!
Nice.......
The P of Poland
Member
1-50? 1-50?!?!?
I could do this all day.
Just because you don't care about something, doesn't mean other people don't.
Also: changed appearance=changed species, especially when the change is this radical. Definitely canonical issue.
nillapuddin
Member
the jackal head changed alot graphically over the last 10 years, they really pushed it further and further into avian-like from halo 1 to halo 3
more feathers, more beak-y, more creepy every passing game.
from this
to this
to this
more feathers, more beak-y, more creepy every passing game.
i fucking hate myself for contributing to this
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seriously though, "canonical reasons" is just the worst thing ever. things change slightly all the time. look at the grunts! totally different methane tanks!
Is that supposed to annoy me? Because it really doesn't. I already know 1-50 isn't in the game, and I really couldn't care. It's not like I overreact at little things like you.
Then they went and said, "screw diversity, they're all from one planet!" REPTAR, REPTAR, GOTTA FIND THAT REPTAR
The P of Poland
Member
You wish it was, though, correct? Or some other ranking system like it?
The point is, everything you said applies to me. I KNOW the Jackals and Grunts are stuck the way they are, much as I wish it were otherwise; I KNOW there are much bigger fictional and gameplay issues involved; but I STILL wish it were the way it's been throughout the series. There, are we on the same page?
TUROK
Member
"Bees?" "Beads." "Beads?!"Beaks? BEAKS?
Chief got more polygons. Different species. Different helmet.
FUCK THESE CANON CHANGES EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE SET THE WORLD ON F I R E ETC
I shit you not, that's honestly what I thought it said when scrolling through!
Gunnerdude
Neo Member
Notice the giant mushroosm on the right?
It gotta be Outland.
... D'oh, no good pics in wowpedia...
Of course I wish it was, but I know it won't happen because the people who are designing the ranking systems over at 343 are probably eating glue.
I hate the entire concept of "canon."
If we are talking about a single author, an independent person telling stories, I expect them to entertain me, and be thoughtful about what they are doing. I expect them to change their opinions over time, to revisit their creations and even revise them. I certainly don't fling The Lord of the Rings down as soon as Frodo gets to Rivendell, shouting "WTF, these Elves aren't singing silly songs, OMG Canon!" I don't stop reading The Dark Tower because of changes to the Man in Black.
IMO "canon" is this strange fan reaction/creation arising around the same time as the comics boom of the late 80s. A desire to interconnect all of the Batman, etc. stories so they are telling one long story - to make everything like Chris Claremont's X-Men run.
It's turned out disastrously, with these IPs laboring under the massive weight of generations of storytelling, with rabid "fans" ready to skewer the creators at every missed step. To paraphrase Scott Kurtz, you can't even tell a damn Batman story anymore because that week he's supposed to be in a coma, so you get Stand In Batman instead, hope that's okay.
It's not that I don't want a coherent story, one that generally makes sense in its material points - I do! But more importantly, I want to be entertained. I want this developer to make the game they want to make, to express their vision. I want them to be like Hideki Kamiya and say "I do what I want," and "I trust my instincts."
If it's a pile of crap, then it's a pile of crap. I'll be headed for the door. But if it's great, if this particular game is internally consistent and compelling, then to hell with canon.
Edit: bottom of page. Probably for the best.