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Halo |OT9| One Final Effort Is All That Remains
- Thread starter GhaleonEB
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Why do people hate Cortana moments so much? It gives you the best of both worlds, you get the cinematic effect, but still control it somewhat. Better than a cutscene or just flat out bad game mechanic.
Jamie, yes.
Jamie's character arc is the single best thing about the series, and I'm dying for someone to try to make a video game where the protagonist is like Jamie. Cersei, though - Martin was too effective at making me hate her. I got ill every time the narrator said "Cersei."
Yes, it depends on how it is executed. Much of CoD and BF3...bad. I'm not worried about Halo 4's implementation though. I think it'll be a nice change actually to show and do some things that may not have been previously possible.
ElzarTheBam
Member
You're awful, now get on Xbox.
NullPointer
Member
Its just un-Halo to me. Just as it would be out of place to see in a Half-Life game.
Maybe I missed something but are there QTEs in Halo 4? Or just the micro-cinematics like they did in Reach when the Zealots show up for the first time?
Something about watching chief climbing up that shaft and jumping to avoid getting smashed seemed off.
Maybe it was the fact that the player was already mid jump by the time cortana said 'WATCH OUT', or the clunkiness of the movement... i dunno :\
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I think that the so-called "QTE" looks fine. I love the Uncharted games and they do some similar stuff. Set piece moments.
As long as there isn't one every 20 minutes it should be fine.
As long as there isn't one every 20 minutes it should be fine.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Its the illusion of control portrayed in a blatant and in my opinion, condescending manner. The input is the pressing of a button (when it tells you), and the output is a complex action, which just creates a horrible disconnect in my brain that makes me want to qte a gun against my head.
Hypertrooper
Member
I like Tsavo Highway but I do not love it.
How should I describe "Land Grab"? A vehicular orgy? Sounds fitting.
I am sorry but I cannot write during driving. And phone battery died.
PS I would have included money with this letter but I already sealed the envelope.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Its the illusion of control in a blatant and in my opinion, condescending manner. The input is the pressing of a button (when it tells you), and the output is a complex action/animation, which just creates a horrible disconnect in my brain that makes me want to qte a gun against my head.
bobs...onGaf
Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGNCH6y8OmM&t=0m18s
Not sure I can say im a fan.
Chose not to watch any more of the video to keep as much of the campaign a surprise as possible.
GrimBrother One
Member
SO JEALOUS. =/
Cutscenes can be skipped on replays. QTEs can't. Besides, it's such a limited amount of control that I'd rather just have it be a first person animation sequence than have to be hamstrung by the often crappy controls dictated by the needs of the "cinematic effect" during those kinds of sequences.
It's the same kind of thing that makes me never want to play through a huge amount of Half-Life 2. If I have to sit through an assload of jabbering in Kleiner's lab without being able to skip to the part where it's a video game, I'm annoyed.
Maybe I'm in the huge minority on this, but I actually love cutscenes, even if I tend to skip them past the second or third playthrough.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
That's why this one didn't remind me of a QTE. No button prompt, and you have direct control over moving left and right on the hand grabs (from what I could tell). Looked more like a set piece moment than a "Hit X......NOW" moment.
Blue Ninja
Member
Thursday War is out already?
EDIT: Eh, I'm waiting until the paperback comes out.
EDIT: Eh, I'm waiting until the paperback comes out.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Yea, in the way of QTE's, this one isn't that bad. Still, I'd rather just watch the story unfold, then be able to just play some Halo.
bobs...onGaf
Member
I dont want to play those mini games when I go back to replay the campaign.
Unless they are really fun, but even then after the second time it will be more annoying than cool.
Can you link me to which one you ordered. They have like 3 editions listed, one of them isnt out, one of them is hardback and one of them has a dispatch time between 1-3 weeks lol!
Hypertrooper
Member
No. Official release is October 2nd.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Just saw Hyperteaser's post. Jelly.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I can get that, I guess that's where we differ though. I love games like Uncharted that have that cinematic feel to them, and include awesome set piece moments. Makes the story feel more bad ass at times. I think about my first playthough and the story more than I think about what happens if I play through it more than once.
My biggest issue with QTE's has more to do with re-playability. QTE's are generally the same every time - the same couple of button presses in the same sequence with the same timing. Often when I run through a Campaign mission I'll skip cinematics for time or because of how often I've seen them. I play the missions over and over because of how fun it is to mix up tactics and deal with unpredictable situations. So having elements like the elevator shaft sequence in the game means there's a segment of every mission that is (probably) unskipable and also going to be the same every time. Over time, they might feel like those Cortana/Gravemind interruptions in Halo 3; they get annoying with multiple replays (and I liked them the first few times).
So I'm curious how 343 is going to get around this. Make them skipable? No fail condition?
So I'm curious how 343 is going to get around this. Make them skipable? No fail condition?
Although the QTE does look a bit... meh, the assassination animations look really cool (although I literally hate them in multiplayer - I always initiate them by accident when I'm going for a back smack).
It also looks like it'll be easy to stick enemy AI in campaign... although that could just be on an easy setting. I always hated how enemies in campaign seem to react before you actually throw a grenade.
From what amazon.ca tells me.. the paperback is coming out the same day as the hardcover..
alas not the same for Primordium.. still waiting for the paperback which will be out by the end of october.. after the release of Thursday War.. that makes a lot of sense..
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I agree, and I'm curious how co-op handles these things. Is it just one guy doing it, or does everybody get these minigames?
Shake Appeal
Member
ENEMY TAKIN' CHARGE.
Hydranockz
Member
How do they differ from kicking the Elite off of the player in Reach on the first level?
No problem. My roommate is in Japan right now making me all Jellis.
Yep, that's Perfect Dark and Goldeneye, Japanese versions, new in the box, for N64.
Apparently he was going to surprise me by getting PD but it's like, 90$
Upon watching again, Chief is FULLY out of the way by the time Cortana says 'Watch Out'
I mean, seriously... is this going to play into cortana being 8 years old? Does she now have latency between visuals and processing?
Her visual processing is now powered by Kinect.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Might be easier to just keep the discussion in one thread.
If I want to go replay a mission that has a 5 minute mini game in it, im going to probably dread the 5 minute repetitive minigame.
Those kinds of thing always make it a bit more annoying to replay, but I agree to an extent, it will be cool to see chief do more - but its hardly going to be anything special playing a mini game.
That was pretty awesome, and only lasted a few seconds though.
ElzarTheBam
Member
NullPointer
Member
This is the best way to do them. Like Mark of the Ninja has these easy little QTEs for each execution. Succeed and you get a perfect kill, fail and you get a messy kill with the guard thrashing about and gurgling out blood, making noise.
Its the 'Press A to awesome' or else fail and retry which has to just go away entirely. Its not fun. Well made QTEs are only a little better though.
Thats not really a QTE as there is no user input required. Its more of a short transitional cinematic.
Still don't know whether Halo 4 has QTEs or those short cinematics.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Explain it now then.
Shake Appeal
Member
I can explain why QTEs are awful if anyone really wants to know, but it would take up a lot of space and it would be filled with swear words.
Hydranockz
Member
Has it been said how long the QTEs in 4 last?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I still don't consider that one section we saw a traditional quick time event. Maybe that's just me though.
More akin to set piece moments from games like Uncharted. I HATE QTEs with a passion, and this did not look bad.
More akin to set piece moments from games like Uncharted. I HATE QTEs with a passion, and this did not look bad.
No problem. My roommate is in Japan right now making me all Jellis.
Yep, that's Perfect Dark and Goldeneye, Japanese versions, new in the box, for N64.Apparently he was going to surprise me by getting PD but it's like, 90$
Random Fact: Goldeneye 64 was created by 9 people, 8 of which had never worked on a game before (also the multiplayer was an afterthought, created by one guy)
Oh. Hmm. I hope stores here will stock the paperback, not the hardcover.
Didn't Primordium get a paperback already? I have one. Or do you mean pocket book sized one?
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Haha, yeah, that's exactly what I keep thinking to myself in this whole "QTE" debate. I only hate cutscenes in games with bad stories. I don't consider Halo to be a game with a bad story.
Hypertrooper
Member
This area is pretty cool. Everything flies in the air etc. Covenant cruisers around you. But it isn't that big as it seems. I'd recommend to not pick-up the BR because it makes the combat much more interesting.
I am sorry I am tired!
Vire
Member
I still don't consider that one section we saw a traditional quick time event. Maybe that's just me though.
More akin to set piece moments from games like Uncharted. I HATE QTEs with a passion, and this did not look bad.
A quick time event is where you press a button and an un-analogous event happens on screen. (PRESS A TO STAB THIS GUY A THOUSAND TIMES)
What we are shown here, is Chief climbing using the directional analogs. It makes sense, it is self explanatory (no condescending button prompts) and is a clever way of showing a cinematic event without resorting to a traditional Quick Time Event.